Inventions

Winter Woman

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Fin, I am an American inventor and it is a hard way to make a living. About 5% of all patents held by individuals ever make it to market. Out of that Less than half of 1% of patents held by individual inventors go straight to licensing. The 4.5% remaining have be manufactured by the inventor and then licensed to make it to market. That way the Licensee will have no skin in the game. I have had 3 go straight to license.

It might be that Americans have more tenacity than the Chinese and maybe they are less risk adverse. I'm saying this because for the average person the first patent you have to bet the farm. Everyone will tell you you are wasting your time, they will roll their eyes, they will tell you that you're out of your mind to do this and this is just about everyone you know; because, generally, the process takes years and they are tired hearing about it. You have to have the ability to shut it all out. But you are always aware of the risk you are taking.

Then finally the first check arrives and the naysayers are now saying I was behind you all the way, you know that don't you? Yeah, I remember well what they said.
 

HeartlandHank

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You didn't answer the question though... WHO is paying you to write?

I gotta know. Are you delusional or do you really believe the shit you say... example... the "stress grow" thing. Do you really believe that is a method or do you know that it is just your excuse for being new to growing?

If you could harness your personality into a character, it would be fucking hilarious. I'm curious if you are just blind to it though.

I've been watching your youtube videos. It's fucking hilarious man. The Jamaican told you to use milk? stress grow? just everything, it's funny. If you had a show, staring finshaggy. I would watch that shit, every time. The show totally needs an UncleBuck though. You take insults well. It's kinda all part of your little brother/much pride/much confidence/totally clueless/not too bright thing. It makes a great character.

just keep being you... im a fan
 

Winter Woman

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Also, in the Asian (China) world they don't believe in owning ideas. They believe that ideas are just 'floating' things and thus belong to everyone. India was like that too, but, that was until they collected a large patent portfolio of their own. Now every year they are defending more and more patents and patent laws. They are however very lacks on protecting pharmaceuticals patents.
 

ThatGuy113

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I still don't understand how 200+ Years of American inventiveness that mostly centers around industry and making money is more inventive than thousands of years of Chinese history. The Chinese invented all the things necessary for America to become independent in the first place. Paper, printing, gunpowder and compasses amongst countless other contributions to the world. Without those contributions at those moments in time the world would not be what it is today. The Chinese empire has accomplished way more in its THOUSANDS of years than we have in 237 years.
 

Winter Woman

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I still don't understand how 200+ Years of American inventiveness that mostly centers around industry and making money is more inventive than thousands of years of Chinese history. The Chinese invented all the things necessary for America to become independent in the first place. Paper, printing, gunpowder and compasses amongst countless other contributions to the world. Without those contributions at those moments in time the world would not be what it is today. The Chinese empire has accomplished way more in its THOUSANDS of years than we have in 237 years.
Why invent something if you are not going to profit from it?
 

ThatGuy113

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You can't see the difference between an early civilization and todays large corporations that can reach every corner of the globe ?

of course there was profit but it was not so concentrated and widespread. Knowledge was the main profit of the inventions and the knowledge was spread so that there was local access from a local merchant and not local access by the same wal mart every 5 miles across the country.

what's profit to someone who is just living off of the land? those were different times.



thought about it and I should have answered your question simply instead of walking around it like I did above. We invent to make life easier


isnt that the original reasoning as to why we invent things?
 

Winter Woman

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There were no profits. The inventors received nothing, they'd invent and everyone else would make it and pay them nothing (in China). Remember inventions are just floating ideas that belong to everyone that is why they do not understand patent infringement and that copying an iphone or Gucci purse is wrong. Without protection new patents will cease to exist.

The new patent laws Obama signed into law will slowly snuff out the independent inventor. The new laws are great for Apple, IBM, Google, etc., but the small guy is pretty much toast.
 

ThatGuy113

Well-Known Member
Were comparing two completely different world views from ancient China to today's capitalist dominance. Its apples and oranges. OP originally posted about how much more inventive America is than China and I was just pointing out the fact hes discounting a couple thousand years of history that provided the only path that leads to our modern world today. The profit element is what drives out the small inventors in the first place because they can't compete with large companies that employ tens of thousand of people in some cases with legal teams several deep. Just like legalization will drive out a lot of mom and pop caregivers to make way for industry to box everyone out. Just like that corn company that pollinates non customer farmer's crops then sues the farmer for using the companies genetics. The profit motive we have today is a double edged sword.It gives motivation to people to invent but it also places more importance on dominating inventions and boxing out competition.
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
It isn't the big gun's legal teams that kill its the laws the government makes. The big companies have something they developed over many years that inventors want they want the distribution system. The big companies do not want to pay inventors that is for sure, but if your patent is strong they will not infringe (most of them anyway) they will license it or want an assignment because then they will protect it and collect license fees from others too.

That is why if my patent search doesn't come out very clean I don't pursue it. A dumb inventor is a one time inventor.
 

Flaming Pie

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:lol: It looks like you are seeing everything perfectly :lol: You must have got that from reading through my threads and seeing what I was doing, and not by gathering an opinion by reading 100% troll material and in less than 24 hours. I am getting paid $1,000+ a month now, and that's on the low end. Every month will vary, and some will be $10,000+ :lol: So ya'll can hate all day, I'm gonna be makin dank ass hash, breeding strong ass strains, and traveling to some bad ass places :lol:
Bravo to whoever is pulling this prank on figgy. Bravo! :clap:
 

Finshaggy

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Fin, I am an American inventor and it is a hard way to make a living. About 5% of all patents held by individuals ever make it to market. Out of that Less than half of 1% of patents held by individual inventors go straight to licensing. The 4.5% remaining have be manufactured by the inventor and then licensed to make it to market. That way the Licensee will have no skin in the game. I have had 3 go straight to license.

It might be that Americans have more tenacity than the Chinese and maybe they are less risk adverse. I'm saying this because for the average person the first patent you have to bet the farm. Everyone will tell you you are wasting your time, they will roll their eyes, they will tell you that you're out of your mind to do this and this is just about everyone you know; because, generally, the process takes years and they are tired hearing about it. You have to have the ability to shut it all out. But you are always aware of the risk you are taking.

Then finally the first check arrives and the naysayers are now saying I was behind you all the way, you know that don't you? Yeah, I remember well what they said.
So... It's almost simply the fact that we have enough stubborn pride to believe in our inventions, so they are more likely to actually get made :lol: :lol: And I know about the fair weather fans :lol:
 

Finshaggy

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Also, in the Asian (China) world they don't believe in owning ideas. They believe that ideas are just 'floating' things and thus belong to everyone. India was like that too, but, that was until they collected a large patent portfolio of their own. Now every year they are defending more and more patents and patent laws. They are however very lacks on protecting pharmaceuticals patents.
My dad told me about that philosophy. When I was in juvy he was reading a book, and in visitation he told me that nothing anyone makes up is new, t's just something that someone thought of before, and never did anything with. And it was floating around waiting for someone who would.
 

Finshaggy

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I still don't understand how 200+ Years of American inventiveness that mostly centers around industry and making money is more inventive than thousands of years of Chinese history. The Chinese invented all the things necessary for America to become independent in the first place. Paper, printing, gunpowder and compasses amongst countless other contributions to the world. Without those contributions at those moments in time the world would not be what it is today. The Chinese empire has accomplished way more in its THOUSANDS of years than we have in 237 years.
Very true, but that does not change the fact that China is LITERALLY in the mindset that if they could learn to be inventive like us, they would have everything they needed to "beat" us at 'our own game'. This was a big topic around the Olympics.
 

Flaming Pie

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Very true, but that does not change the fact that China is LITERALLY in the mindset that if they could learn to be inventive like us, they would have everything they needed to "beat" us at 'our own game'. This was a big topic around the Olympics.
They are the biggest producers in the world and hold the United States by the balls with the debt they have financed.

How are you so ignorant to the world figgy? How does one accomplish that?
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
:lol: It looks like you are seeing everything perfectly :lol: You must have got that from reading through my threads and seeing what I was doing, and not by gathering an opinion by reading 100% troll material and in less than 24 hours. I am getting paid $1,000+ a month now, and that's on the low end. Every month will vary, and some will be $10,000+ :lol: So ya'll can hate all day, I'm gonna be makin dank ass hash, breeding strong ass strains, and traveling to some bad ass places :lol:
My moms friend makes 156,875 dollars an hour online. Click the link to learn how!
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
They are the biggest producers in the world and hold the United States by the balls with the debt they have financed.

How are you so ignorant to the world figgy? How does one accomplish that?
You're missing the whole point. They have all that, but without us, China's factories will produce the same material forever and nothing new will ever come out again (as far as they are concerned). This isn't MY opinion. This is simply how China feels, look it up.
 
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