World Of Hempy

[jela10]

Well as promised here are the ladies i have going at the moment.

View attachment 2647933 The beginning of my SOG, half in Coco and half in Perlite.

Tex, Awesome job bro...I sense another coco addiction coming on...remember your cal/mag!

 

[Javadog]

Nice thread.

I would have to deal with runoff in a clever way, but a soilless approach
is something that I'd like to try eventually.

JD

 

[Moebius]

Tex, Awesome job bro...I sense another coco addiction coming on...remember your cal/mag!

I'm happy with the coco too.

intially I was unsure ... but love it now. .. The only downside is it's slighly messier than Mapito.

 

[Moebius]

Nice thread.

I would have to deal with runoff in a clever way, but a soilless approach
is something that I'd like to try eventually.

JD

I'm 6 months or so away from upgrading to a bigger place. When I do, all my Hempys will be at waist height and drain into the main waste.

 

[Javadog]

That is the sort of thing that I need to see. :0)

You are doing a good job of optimizing your space already.

JD

 

[Txchilies]

Tex, Awesome job bro...I sense another coco addiction coming on...remember your cal/mag!

Yes, Jela I took the plunge with a bag as it was on sale (50% off) the hydro store I deal with is dumping Cana products as they don't sell. I didn't want to wait around for the compressed brick to buffer so I got a bag to give it a go. I'm impressed with how moist it stays, and cal/mag is a staple in the feeding schedual at every 3rd week.

 

[Moebius]

Hi WOH,

so my least favorite subject is 'yield'. I've always felt it a bit of a personal question for some strange reason. LOL. and also felt taste and stone to be more important.

Anyways, now Ive found a strain with nice taste/stone/bag appeal. it's about time for me to face the final frontier 'WEIGHT'. (and I have a plan and some goals.)

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The plant I grow is GDP. And a recent small scale run of 5 Hempy's yielded an average of 22.4g each.

In 2-3 weeks I shall receive more yield data on a slightly larger run of 21 Hempy's (1 tub), I suspect similar numbers.

I fit 2 tubs (42 Hempys) per 600W .... 'if' I only achieve 20g per Hempy thats 840g per 600W or 1.4g per Watt

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When people quote the 'gram per watt' ratio they tend to ignore the veg time (i.e energy) they have put into the plant. What will make 1.4g/W particularly interesting in this case (IMO) will be that I won't have given them any veg time.

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Since upgrading my grow-room I've had some electrical issues and timers mis-firing losing a day here or a few hours there of light. I still believe I can get close to my 1.4g per watt goal. Over the next few weeks I'll find out if this has been achieved. Although it's a goal and I am confident, I won't really be disappointed if I haven't reached it.

Thank you.

 

[Bakatare666]

Wow!!!!!!!!!
That's all I got.

 

[Moebius]

Wow!!!!!!!!!
That's all I got.

Thanks ... I believe the '2L SOG' (from clone) may be 'the' most powerful grow method available to the indoor grower. even more so than DWC

My reasoning and rationale comes down mainly to light. ... Anyone who has grown a SOG in this fashion will testify to how little light is lost once the plants have started to form a canopy. .. under the canopy of light absorbing leaf, it's dark and very little light hits the floor or walls. This light (+nutes) translates into bud yield. ..... jmo

No other system is able to capture light so efficiently. and the fact it's Hempy provides the res which is the principal power/strength behind DWC systems.

 

[Moebius]

Because much of this is new to me, I'm having to learn and understand every detail of the 2L SOG system.

One of the most important things is obviously providing a high number of clones to feed the system. ... because I had previously grown larger plants and needed fewer clone I had learnt to grow just bonsai moms in small pots, (not good for 2L SOG) . The problem I had come across was that after a couple of cutting runs, the moms would start producing weedy looking branches which = poor clones.

so for anyone considering 2L sog ... please remember decent sized moms in decent pots with good soil.

 

[whocares100]

Moe I was thinking about trying a SOG and I may still, thanks for the tips...I like this board, great advice and Troll free!!!

 

[Moebius]

Moe I was thinking about trying a SOG and I may still, thanks for the tips...I like this board, great advice and Troll free!!!

We're very lucky to have some great people into Hempy, like yourself. I'm proud of our method, hobby and Hempy community. I don't like Facebook so this'll do me.

 

[Shivaskunk]

Your plants always look nice and youre a good grower so i dont mean this in any way negatively but if you get 1.4 gpw with minimal to no veg under 600 watters i really do want a step by step grow plan from you dude.

Ive grown in quite a few different scenarios. Small as 400 watts and up to 14000 watts. In soil, in flood tables, in dwc, in NFT, one grow with aeroponics (roots clogged shit and grow sucked), and now hempy style and in a large crop ive never hit 1.4 gpw. Not with a 8 week veg and not no veg SOG.

Im certainly not an elite grower by any means but ive been doing it almost consistently for 16 years. My last run went pretty well aside from a touch of PM and having to eradicate aphids at the nursery stage and I pulled just about exactly 2 lbs off of two 600 watt hps which i suppose is about .75 gpw. The very best run in my two room 14000 watt house not counting really wispy buds and trim we pulled 27 lbs which still wasnt a gram per watt. If i had weighed all the sluffy stuff probably would have added 3 lbs.

I did a grow once with one 1000 hps and i pulled 1087 grams. I re,ember the number because its the best gpw ive ever pulled...even though veg was quite long.

I guess the point of all my typing is....if you pull over 800 grams per 600 light I want to copy your growing style lol. Cheers.

Hi WOH,

so my least favorite subject is 'yield'. I've always felt it a bit of a personal question for some strange reason. LOL. and also felt taste and stone to be more important.

Anyways, now Ive found a strain with nice taste/stone/bag appeal. it's about time for me to face the final frontier 'WEIGHT'. (and I have a plan and some goals.)

................................................................................................................................................................


The plant I grow is GDP. And a recent small scale run of 5 Hempy's yielded an average of 22.4g each.

In 2-3 weeks I shall receive more yield data on a slightly larger run of 21 Hempy's (1 tub), I suspect similar numbers.

I fit 2 tubs (42 Hempys) per 600W .... 'if' I only achieve 20g per Hempy thats 840g per 600W or 1.4g per Watt

................................................................................................................................................................

When people quote the 'gram per watt' ratio they tend to ignore the veg time (i.e energy) they have put into the plant. What will make 1.4g/W particularly interesting in this case (IMO) will be that I won't have given them any veg time.

................................................................................................................................................................

Since upgrading my grow-room I've had some electrical issues and timers mis-firing losing a day here or a few hours there of light. I still believe I can get close to my 1.4g per watt goal. Over the next few weeks I'll find out if this has been achieved. Although it's a goal and I am confident, I won't really be disappointed if I haven't reached it.

Thank you.

 

[Moebius]

Your plants always look nice and youre a good grower so i dont mean this in any way negatively but if you get 1.4 gpw with minimal to no veg under 600 watters i really do want a step by step grow plan from you dude.

Ive grown in quite a few different scenarios. Small as 400 watts and up to 14000 watts. In soil, in flood tables, in dwc, in NFT, one grow with aeroponics (roots clogged shit and grow sucked), and now hempy style and in a large crop ive never hit 1.4 gpw. Not with a 8 week veg and not no veg SOG.

Im certainly not an elite grower by any means but ive been doing it almost consistently for 16 years. My last run went pretty well aside from a touch of PM and having to eradicate aphids at the nursery stage and I pulled just about exactly 2 lbs off of two 600 watt hps which i suppose is about .75 gpw. The very best run in my two room 14000 watt house not counting really wispy buds and trim we pulled 27 lbs which still wasnt a gram per watt. If i had weighed all the sluffy stuff probably would have added 3 lbs.

I did a grow once with one 1000 hps and i pulled 1087 grams. I re,ember the number because its the best gpw ive ever pulled...even though veg was quite long.

I guess the point of all my typing is....if you pull over 800 grams per 600 light I want to copy your growing style lol. Cheers.

Hi Shiva,

my plants don't always look nice. I do experience lots of issues BUT the important thing for me is to try and understand why an issue happens and learn from it. I'm my own worse critic.

I realize the claim/goal of 1.4G/W sounds INCREDIBLE and VERY BOLD ... (i.e Unbelievable, it does to me too) but I intend to demonstrate this to not only be possible but to be a perfectly achievable for ANY grower, novice or expert.

To make this of any use to others, I'll endeavor to make this as 'provable' and 'reproducible' as I can (for a non-scientist hobbyist) so I will start my own personal thread highlighting every step of my process and my rationales, thoughts and more importantly, 'YIELD'. ... I'll still pop into WOH. lol

Earlier, I spoke a little about why I feel the 2L Hempy SOG (from clone) is 'the' most powerful grow system for the hobby grower. and I guess im prepared to stake my 'fictional psuedo-identity' reputation on it. ... What I really want to get across though is that, setup up correctly ANYONE can achieve this. and this to me is the BOLDEST of all claims.

in a nutshell - A good SOG setup is the most effiecient use of light. The source of feeding (i.e DWC,NFT,HAND FED) is an 'almost' secondary consideration. The SOG is like placing a solar panel of leaves 6"-1ft under the HPS bulb.

other setups with larger plants allow a higher percentage of light to pass between the branches and leaves, ending up heating the floor and walls. This is where the gram/W ratio is achieved.

combined with having a 'res' on tap makes the 2L Hempy sog a winner. IMO. .... (there are some negatives but i'll save that for another day.)

EDIT:
I should 're-state' at this point that this remains a goal and as of yet I cannot confirm Ive achieved this in full numbers (i.e 42 Hempys@600w). .. we'll see.

 

[Moebius]

Just looking around at the 'numbers' of other high density low/no veg grows.

'Heath Robinson' has a vert/nft hybrid thing that achieves 2.14g/w from a 600W. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html

other threads claim in the similar (2g/w) range for conventional quality SOG. ... Thats about 25 -30% yield more than I am aiming for @1.4g/watt

 

[WyoGrow]

I am definitely going to give Hempy a shot on my next grow. I currently grow in a 50/50 coco and perlite blend, D2W style in 2 gallon root pouches. How do you think the root pouches will perform in a Hempy style grow?? The pouches fit nicely inside of the bottom of a 5g bucket (I probably have 200 buckets laying around). It would be much effort to cut the bottom, say... 3.5" off the bottom of some 5g buckets to set my pouches into. Put the standard drain hole 2" up the bucket bottom and rock-n-roll from there. Would it be advisable to put 2-3" of straight perlite in the bottom of the pouches to act as a reservoir layer??

Additional question I have are: Has anybody had good result growing Hempy in a SCROG? From what I have read here it seems most Hempy growers prefer SOG with little to no veg time. Has anybody had positive, or negative, results using Hempy in a grow where the veg time is 8-12 weeks??

Thanks in advance for the input.

 

[Moebius]

I am definitely going to give Hempy a shot on my next grow. I currently grow in a 50/50 coco and perlite blend, D2W style in 2 gallon root pouches. How do you think the root pouches will perform in a Hempy style grow?? The pouches fit nicely inside of the bottom of a 5g bucket (I probably have 200 buckets laying around). It would be much effort to cut the bottom, say... 3.5" off the bottom of some 5g buckets to set my pouches into. Put the standard drain hole 2" up the bucket bottom and rock-n-roll from there. Would it be advisable to put 2-3" of straight perlite in the bottom of the pouches to act as a reservoir layer??

Additional question I have are: Has anybody had good result growing Hempy in a SCROG? From what I have read here it seems most Hempy growers prefer SOG with little to no veg time. Has anybody had positive, or negative, results using Hempy in a grow where the veg time is 8-12 weeks??

Thanks in advance for the input.

Stoneslacker has a 250W Hempy scrog going https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/630714-stoneslackers-new-250w-micro-hempy.html

There are a couple more I have seen but can't recall atm.

re: Smart pots .. Ive seen them used in 'hempy hybrid' designs, never seen anyone overly happy with them. .. basically, for it to be a proper Hempy, IMO you need a solid (non-pourous) res able to hold liquid, i.e a bucket with a hole.

re: Res .. Straight perlite in res will work. I'm using .. old Rockwool or Hydroton in my res atm.

 

[WyoGrow]

I would be setting the fabric pots inside of the bucket bottoms to act as a res. It would just be breathable fabric pot from the res on up. It's my understanding that part of Hempy's success is in the availability of air to the roots above the res. It's just my thinking that a fabric pot, smart pot or root pouch would help this along. But hey... I have never grown Hempy before... that why I ask. Might just have to give a side by side run a shot and chronicle it for y'all to see the the results.

BTW, thanks for the link to the SCROG grow!!!!!!

 

[Javadog]

It occurs to me that a smart pot, sat in a dish that allows an inch or so of runoff to gather,
would be in effect a hempy. One might want to discard the runoff from watering, but if the
"saucer" was filled with an inch or so of clean water...then wouldn't the result mimic a hempy
after it has been watered?

Take care,

JD

 

[Moebius]

It occurs to me that a smart pot, sat in a dish that allows an inch or so of runoff to gather,
would be in effect a hempy. One might want to discard the runoff from watering, but if the
"saucer" was filled with an inch or so of clean water...then wouldn't the result mimic a hempy
after it has been watered?

Take care,

JD

Yes it would make it a Hempy of sorts. .. but in effect, I believe it was reported that the 'wicking' action doesnt really take place as well, and, they end up needing constant watering.

That doesnt mean it shouldnt be tried again. It may have just been poor execution of the concept.