plants look sick.

[RedzoneFL]

So last week I found that one of my plants had stem rot, then 4 days later my stem rot turned into root rot on all 3 of my girls. I then found the reason for the root rot was because my water temp was 78, people say thats way to hot for DWC.

So I decided to transplant from DWC to Ebb and Flow, something that is a little more forgiven. I just recently added a top drip so the roots can grow a little more. I flushed the res tank out twice in 34 hours. Last night I mixed 100 ML of 35% of peroxide in the tank.

I sense the plants are stressed from the rocky PH levels, the lack of Nuets, and most importantly the root rot and then the transplant. What can I put in the res to help with the stress? B12 is expensive; and local store only sells it in large amounts only.\

Can I use 20 ML of super thrive in the 20 gal res?

When should I start adding the nuets again?

Water temp 74-77
Tent temp 74-82
Room Temp 73-79
RH 43%-56%
PH 5.6 - 5.8


Larger plant is White Widow x OG Kush, smaller one is White Widow x Big Bud

The seeds are Big Bomb (Being Hand Watered)

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[kinddiesel]

sounds like its time to switch over to soil !

 

[churchhaze]

What nutrients are you using and in what proportions? You say you think they were stressed from rocky pH, but then list a stable pH range between 5.6-5.8, which is perfect. Has it gone above 6.0? That would cause problems similar to what you're seeing.

Super thrive will do nothing to fix this. Focus on the basics before you start using magic tonics. Also, a water temperature of 78F isn't going to cause root rot. It's probably not the problem.

 

[RedzoneFL]

sounds like its time to switch over to soil !

Why would I want to switch to soil though? The research I've done states that Ebb and Flow wont be effect by temp issues...So why would I wanna switch?

Correct me if I am wrong but the Hydro dealer locally states that DWCs only issue is root rot and root rot would be created by high temps...

But again I could be wrong but 2 total different Hydro stores told me that Ebb and Flow wouldn't be effected.

 

[kinddiesel]

after so much bad luck, im saying . just stick them In soil and watch them grow no stress, less expensive to start up , can get a higher number or plants, and move them to room to room if you want, you can grow monster plants in soil ! and its much easier for people that are getting there foot in the door, ye hydro will grow faster , but if your not a pro , you will not see the difference, I see soil grows get an inch a day growth under a mh light , its up to you , just saying, start with soil then move up to hydro, after you learn every thing,

 

[RedzoneFL]

Hydro is very simple if grown in correct conditions. My problems aren't human made by error but simply because the conditions aren't ideal and proper.

That being said I believe its easier with Ebb and Flow then soil by far... The fact it waters every 6 hours for 15mins; maintain the PH, PPM and make sure there are no malfunctions whats so ever.

So all an all I just now need to find out what to do to revive the plant, any suggestions guys?

For example, my res tank is out side my tent so I never need to even open the tent I just stick my probe in test the water and maintain it from there.

 

[Timewasmoney1]

Why would I want to switch to soil though? The research I've done states that Ebb and Flow wont be effect by temp issues...So why would I wanna switch?

Correct me if I am wrong but the Hydro dealer locally states that DWCs only issue is root rot and root rot would be created by high temps...

But again I could be wrong but 2 total different Hydro stores told me that Ebb and Flow wouldn't be effected.

Why? Cause dro is overrated...

How much air you got flowing to it?

 

[RedzoneFL]

How much air flowing for what? You have me confused.

 

[churchhaze]

People please!! Let's not turn his thread into a hydro vs soil thread!! We all know that hydro > soil hands down.

 

[churchhaze]

Seriously though, you haven't answered. What hydro nutes are you using, and in what proportion and strength? If your hydro store guy is telling you DWC is prone to root rot, he's either trying to sell you another system because DWC is so cheap, or trying to sell you all sorts of special heaters/coolers for your water tank. He's just giving you a run for your money. With good air pumps and air stones (or even shitty walmart ones), DWC is an excellent and simple to maintain system.

 

[RedzoneFL]

Seriously though, you haven't answered. What hydro nutes are you using, and in what proportion and strength? If your hydro store guy is telling you DWC is prone to root rot, he's either trying to sell you another system because DWC is so cheap, or trying to sell you all sorts of special heaters/coolers for your water tank. He's just giving you a run for your money. With good air pumps and air stones (or even shitty walmart ones), DWC is an excellent and simple to maintain system.

No doubt DWC is easy to use, easy to maintain and the results are fast acting however I live in FL and to keep water temps under or near 70 it requires a water chiller which Im not about to buy nor use if I have a ebb and flow system that I wasnt using so to save some money I figured I'd use what I have and considering the fact the hydro guy has in fact sold me PLENTY of stuff he knows I'd buy whatever he offered, but he didnt suggest I buy anything.

He presented facts and those were, DWC are prone to Root Rot when temps are high and thats a fact cant argue that.

Would I benefit by using Ebb And Flow because I dont have to have such low temps, yes I would... I'm going to invest in a 5x9 tent and go Ebb and Gro style system on my next grow which will be used for my bloom.

 

[RedzoneFL]

I WAS using Canna A & B with Magical 125-150 ML per 20 gals.\

I stopped 5 days ago to let the plants rest, but will add SuperThrive

 

[AimAim]

People please!! Let's not turn his thread into a hydro vs soil thread!! We all know that hydro < soil hands down.

Well fixed that for you. Any newbie is better off in soil like you said.

 

[RedzoneFL]

Well fixed that for you. Any newbie is better off in soil like you said.

I have many many many many years in the business, I was a owner of a large nursery for nearly 25 years. This is just a retirement thing to keep me busy. I don't even use the bud nor ever would, simply doing it to keep my self busy along with helping out a neighbor who does need it.

But again soil is simply, but the ebb & flow is just to basic to even get messed up

 

[churchhaze]

Oh definitely. If you have ebb and flow, great. I don't see why you'd switch back to DWC now, I'm just saying it's not really not that much better if at all.

No doubt DWC is easy to use, easy to maintain and the results are fast acting however I live in FL and to keep water temps under or near 70 it requires a water chiller which Im not about to buy nor use if I have a ebb and flow system that I wasnt using so to save some money I figured I'd use what I have and considering the fact the hydro guy has in fact sold me PLENTY of stuff he knows I'd buy whatever he offered, but he didnt suggest I buy anything.

He presented facts and those were, DWC are prone to Root Rot when temps are high and thats a fact cant argue that.

Would I benefit by using Ebb And Flow because I dont have to have such low temps, yes I would... I'm going to invest in a 5x9 tent and go Ebb and Gro style system on my next grow which will be used for my bloom.

 

[AimAim]

Why would I want to switch to soil though?

Because marijuana plants like to grow in the soil. That's what they are used to. They are not water lillies, they grow in soil.

 

[churchhaze]

So you're just feeding them water now? You can't just stop feeding nutrients in a hydroponic system, you have to keep some ppm of nutrients at all time. What's your ppm at?

I WAS using Canna A & B with Magical 125-150 ML per 20 gals.\

I stopped 5 days ago to let the plants rest, but will add SuperThrive

 

[churchhaze]

I flushed the res tank out twice in 34 hours. Last night I mixed 100 ML of 35% of peroxide in the tank.

What can I put in the res to help with the stress?

Nutrients!

When should I start adding the nuets again?

Now.

 

[RedzoneFL]

Nutrients!


Now.

I'll add again, I was advised by another member to not add neuts because the plants needed time to rest but I will add a very light dose of neuts... Maybe 1-1-1?

Or should I look into doing 75ml of Canna A & B?

 

[churchhaze]

Follow the feeding schedule they give you. It would help if you had a ppm meter so you'd know exactly how much you're supposed to add. In a hydroponic medium, the plant relies entirely on nutrients in the water to survive. Feeding it just water will cause immediate nutrient deficiencies in a very short period. You shouldn't need Magical if you're following the canna A&B schedule unless you actually see a deficiency. It just adds more nitrogen to a nitrogen heavy mix.

I'll add again, I was advised by another member to not add neuts because the plants needed time to rest but I will add a very light dose of neuts... Maybe 1-1-1?

Or should I look into doing 75ml of Canna A & B?