Benghazi the truth

[Doer]

If you accept that this was a planned attack then it seems unlikely that the terrorists who conducted attack could have known about Stevens' visit days in advance. I am assuming that such an attack would take several days to pull together.

I don't doubt that the Libyan government is riddled with AQ or AQ sympathizers, so if Stevens shared his travel plans with them then they probably did make the attack coincide with his visit. It is security 101 not to share your travel plans though.

What....??

The Libyan guards took picutures and then disappeared. A Seal reported on his blog. They were in on it. The pictures were to prove the Ambassador was there. If it was MANPAD weapons and a sting to deek against the Ambassador into handing them into the ruse, that means that it was the Ambassador's security that was nulled from the begining.

He was fooled by the bad guys all along, I think. Nothing has been said that makes any sense, unless it is something similar in scope to liberating weapons.

Planned is planned. Why in hell would they attack that shit hole if the Ambassodor was not there? Of couse they know he was there. He was the US Friend to Bengahzi. No one has said this was a secret mission. I think it was a public mission on the testimony, but is may well have been cover for a secret purpose.

 

[ChesusRice]

So in conclusion
This wasn't an act of terror
It was a precision strike at a military target.
Want to know what the cover up is?
The USA doesnt want you to know exactly what was going on there becuase of it's a secret.
The Republicans are using that as a way of trying to say there was a coverup.
If Ambassador Stevens wasnt there you probably would of never heard of it. It would of just been an attack on some US tourists.

Consulate? It was a fucking house. They used Libyan security so it didnt look like a CIA front.

 

[echelon1k1]

So in conclusion
This wasn't an act of terror
It was a precision strike at a military target.
Want to know what the cover up is?
The USA doesnt want you to know exactly what was going on there becuase of it's a secret.
The Republicans are using that as a way of trying to say there was a coverup.
If Ambassador Stevens wasnt there you probably would of never heard of it. It would of just been an attack on some US tourists.

Consulate? It was a fucking house. They used Libyan security so it didnt look like a CIA front.

Revisit the definition of Terrorism or terrorist attack

 

[ChesusRice]

Revisit the definition of Terrorism or terrorist attack

So every battle and attack ever in History is an act of terror?

 

[echelon1k1]

So every battle and attack ever in History is an act of terror?

No, we're not moving the goal posts... In this case, yes, it was an act of terror not too hard to realise...

 

[ChesusRice]

No, we're not moving the goal posts... In this case, yes, it was an act of terror not to hard to realise...

Who were they trying to instill fear in?
The CIA?

 

[Doer]

So in conclusion
This wasn't an act of terror
It was a precision strike at a military target.
Want to know what the cover up is?
The USA doesnt want you to know exactly what was going on there becuase of it's a secret.
The Republicans are using that as a way of trying to say there was a coverup.
If Ambassador Stevens wasnt there you probably would of never heard of it. It would of just been an attack on some US tourists.

Consulate? It was a fucking house. They used Libyan security so it didnt look like a CIA front.

I tend to agree. But, it still has to become public. Not means and methods or secrets. But, it's not even that we have the right to know. It is very clear, it is the duty of this govt to keep it's citizens informed by not lying and manipulating the press.

Info control is a very important duty. Say nothing, but don't make it up. But, WE get know about the fuck ups WE elected these guys to decide to do.

How about the C-130s in the Desert under Carter? Top secret dudes from Hurlburt AFB. Top secret military incursion and loss of life on foreign soil.

We knew about that. No bullshit, fog of this and that. Straight up. Carter was honest. This is different.

They could, can and should, just say what you said, cheez. The fuck up is that the Ambassador was killed and no reaction force was sent. The Annex could have used some air cover at least. The story was the SEALS were designating the mortar tubes. Send in some boots. Secure the scene, secure the bodies.

Why contradict the President of Libya with what was known to be false?

It is inexcusable. Nothing happened, and still has not. I don't know how anyone can accept all the lies this morning, much less this condescending smugness. Only one reason.

It is felt, by this crew, like in Organized Crime or the Chicago Machine. They seem to think the end justifies the means.

Fundamental Change. It was a stupid idea to begin with.

 

[ChesusRice]

The carter thing was a failed rescue attempt. Was that also called an act of terror?

 

[echelon1k1]

Who were they trying to instill fear in?
The CIA?

The only thing missing was dragging the bodies through the streets... Thank Christ that never happened...

 

[ChesusRice]

The only thing missing was dragging the bodies through the streets... Thank Christ that never happened...

The perpetrators had no intentions of dragging bodies thru the street. They were too busy setting up the ambush at the larger CIA outpost a couple miles away

 

[Doer]

The carter thing was a failed rescue attempt. Was that also called an act of terror?

No, I said I tend to agree, not an Act of Terror in that sense, but an act of asymmetrically warfare, as you suggested.

 

[Doer]

The perpetrators had no intentions of dragging bodies thru the street. They were too busy setting up the ambush at the larger CIA outpost a couple miles away

Exactly, that was the old cover story. This was cold and hideous, murderous assault. Nothing, at all, like a riot or demonstration or even "guys out for a walk one night that decided to attack Americans. What possible difference, at this point, does it matter?" A lie is a lie. I can certainly understand that.

 

[ChesusRice]

Exactly, that was the old cover story. This was cold and hideous, murderous assault. Nothing, at all, like a riot or demonstration or even "guys out for a walk one night that decided to attack Americans. What possible difference, at this point, does it matter?" A lie is a lie. I can certainly understand that.

There was
-Confusion remember that demonstrations were occuring thruout the middle east that day
-concern For hindering an investigation
-Concern we would tip our hat to those we suspected

My guess is that the perpetrators have been identified and a few of them are either dead or missing. Something was happening there that was highly classified. And we wont know the real story for years.

 

[desert dude]

There was
-Confusion remember that demonstrations were occuring thruout the middle east that day
-concern For hindering an investigation
-Concern we would tip our hat to those we suspected

My guess is that the perpetrators have been identified and a few of them are either dead or missing. Something was happening there that was highly classified. And we wont know the real story for years.

I agree with you.

 

[ChesusRice]

I agree with you.

May 16th, 2013
04:05 PM ET



[h=1]U.S. options to 'capture or kill' Benghazi suspects[/h]By Barbara Starr
The U.S. military has updated plans to "capture or kill" alleged perpetrators of the deadly terror attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, CNN has learned.
The development comes amid growing pressure on the White House to show progress in the effort to catch those who killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans last September 11.
Officials emphasize that military planning has been underway since the immediate aftermath of the armed assault.

 

[ginwilly]

There was
-Confusion remember that demonstrations were occuring thruout the middle east that day
-concern For hindering an investigation
-Concern we would tip our hat to those we suspected

My guess is that the perpetrators have been identified and a few of them are either dead or missing. Something was happening there that was highly classified. And we wont know the real story for years.

Yeah, I wonder if Rand Paul hit on that while grilling Clinton. His question about supplying arms to the Saudis seem to come out of left field to me. I guess not.

The reason they were in a house that didn't meet standards of security is because Clinton signed a waiver to allow it.

 

[Doer]

There was
-Confusion remember that demonstrations were occuring thruout the middle east that day
-concern For hindering an investigation
-Concern we would tip our hat to those we suspected

My guess is that the perpetrators have been identified and a few of them are either dead or missing. Something was happening there that was highly classified. And we wont know the real story for years.

OK, let's match it up. I totally agree with the last paragraph and that last phrase.

I can submit, since I really keep an eye on the little things, Obama expressed that he was concerned about dis-information. It was never really picked up but I heard it with my own ears.

At the end of the Candy Land Debate, off camera, but on mic, Obama went over to the guy on their left at the end of the row.

Mr President had brushed him off on a very direct question about all this... I forget what it was. But, Obama kinda whispered and clued him in. He said, "we were really concerned at first that there might be some sort of dis-information.." And the guy didn't really buy it and turned away. I sensed an unusual candor.

I think I mentioned it here. I certainly pointed it out to my wife, etc. It made me think that, maybe, Terror was not exactly it either. It alarmed me, my truth. I really wondered, wtf is this really about.

I think we will get a more complete story in the fullness of time. And it is quite appropriate for the Commander to cover the survivors with anonymity for National Security.

As I've said, I'm pretty sure the Critters also know the whole story, but it is time for the Congress to detail it in the Record. If nothing else, we need the record to reflect, that these questions had Hearlng....after Hearing...wha?

 

[ChesusRice]

If the whole truth about Benghazi came out
I feel the ongoing covert operations will be compromised

If I had to guess it propbably had something to do with Syria. We arent supplying US weapons to the rebels in Syria. But who is to say we arent diverting surplus seized arms from Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan and tranisitng with help from Turkey or smugglers?

There is also a little tid bit that came out and promptly disappeared from the media about possible prisoners being held at that location. Maybe it was a jailbreak?

 

[echelon1k1]

If the whole truth about Benghazi came out
I feel the ongoing covert operations will be compromised

If I had to guess it propbably had something to do with Syria. We arent supplying US weapons to the rebels in Syria. But who is to say we arent diverting surplus seized arms from Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan and tranisitng with help from Turkey or smugglers?

There is also a little tid bit that came out and promptly disappeared from the media about possible prisoners being held at that location. Maybe it was a jailbreak?

Qatar and the Saudis have funnelled in as much as $3bn. Considering the US' close relationship with the House of Saud not a stretch to think you're just supplying them via a proxy.

 

[Doer]

If the whole truth about Benghazi came out
I feel the ongoing covert operations will be compromised

If I had to guess it propbably had something to do with Syria. We arent supplying US weapons to the rebels in Syria. But who is to say we arent diverting surplus seized arms from Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan and tranisitng with help from Turkey or smugglers?

There is also a little tid bit that came out and promptly disappeared from the media about possible prisoners being held at that location. Maybe it was a jailbreak?

WOW, dig deep. I like it. I had not seen the detail about prisoners. I agree with DonR. We can't believe the first reports.

I say OK, but we cannot dis-believe the first details. They had to come from somewhere. Real screw ups are corrected and the other Media, make fun of each other over it. The bobble-heads.

But, these first details always seem from the mouth of babes and then they are squashed. No media jibbing each other.

Well that is even a higher and bestter reason to tap dance this to the grave, if possible.

Cool!

Another very early report was just that. It was a covert mission to arm the Syrian rebels and the good stuff was given to the wrong guys.

(they all had rags on their heads!! how are we suppose to know???)