John Birch Society

[Dr Kynes]

Its cheaper to put a bullet in a old mans head than give him treatment for lung cancer, we should go with the cheaper alternative always eh kitchen patrol?

Bullets to the HEAD! i cant believe how fiscally irresponsible you are!!

This kind of waste fraud and abuse is why obamacare is needed! cutting down the expenses through simple common sense reforms will save billions over time!


old fashioned pillow smotherings are a cheap renewable resource for geezer elimination.

 

[Dr Kynes]

colloidald silver is a scam, created by salesmen to sell plain water for exorbitant prices.

running an electric current through a silver wire in water simply electrifies the water. without a differing meta to act as the anode or cathode the silver does nothing.

adding a more or less reactive metal will either dissolve the silver and plate it onto the less reactive metal or dissolve the more reactive metal and plate it onto the silver. either way all you made was a very expensive but weak battery. this presumes that your water is not PH neutral. if it is PH neutral you made a jar of water with metal bits in it.

actual colloidal silver requires massive forces to break down the silver into tiny 1-4 atom size pieces. most commonly in nature this happens under glaciers.

the massive pressure and abrasive power of the glacier pulverizes stones into silt and clay, if there is a metal ore that separates from it's rocky companions willingly (like gold mercury, copper and silver) the metals become suspended in the supersolid flowing ice under the glacier's mass. the ice that contains the pulverized rocks becomes plastic, like cold maple syrup, and the glacier moves on top of that neither solid nor liquid layer.

when the glacier retreats, it leaves behind it's plastic layer when the top ice is no longer heavy enough to compress the ice into a plastic supersolid. the gold silver mercury copper and other metals accrete out and form nuggets of mostly pure metals (though their is varying levels of mixing in the nuggets) thats how you get gold placer fields like in alaska california and nevada.

if you honestly believe that the local huckster used forces on a par with glacial pressures to suspend silver by individual atoms in solution, and then did some magic to keep the silver from nuggetting up then you deserve to turn blue from drinking silver ions in water.

protip: ionized silver is not colloidal silver.

 

[NoDrama]

My apologies for the confusion, A particle can include any small piece of matter. It's a very sweeping term that applies to any of the basic forms of mater and energy. I said a while ago it was charged particles of silver, that's what a silver ion is. This is what a colloid is, courtesy of Merriam-Webster:

a : a substance that consists of particles dispersed throughout another substance which are too small for resolution with an ordinary light microscope but are incapable of passing through a semipermeable membrane

Silver ions, suspended in water, are colloidal silver. It's not a vague term. "Silver ions disinfecting water through mechanical agitation.", is agitating colloidal silver. I'd assume low-dosage, but colloidal silver still. Colloidal silver is produced by ionizing silver molecules and suspending them in water. In order to get it back into suspension, you shake (a.k.a. "agitate") it. So you're essentially agitating colloidal silver, if I read you description literally. So where do the silver ions go after you are done sanitizing the water? Do you remove them?

Yes, I do know what insoluble means. That does not mean that silver ions cannot remain in suspension for quite some time. They will eventually settle out, "eventually" being the active term here.

Still though, you have not given a reason why this is in any way better than the current method of chlorination. If you just want to change it for the sake of changing it, then there's really no point to this discussion. If you want to change it for some compelling reason, like safety or cost, I'm all ears. Otherwise, this is just pointless.

Chlorine in water tastes terrible, you can't taste silver because its insoluble which means that it CANNOT dissolve into water, at all, not even a little bit.
I choose jif over skippy by taste alone. I choose porterhouse steaks and Lobster over cardboard and cod because it tastes better. You probabaly prefer certain things over others due to taste alone don't you?

 

[cannabineer]

That's more what I was getting at, thanks cann. Small scale; silver is dandy and convenient. I just don't think large scale is really wise or logical.

Here's a question regarding what you were saying at the beginning regarding colloidal and ionized silver being different. I have seen those home-made "colloidal silver generators" that rely on electrolysis. Doesn't that create an ionized silver suspension? Or am I just misunderstanding how that works?

I agree ... I think that the electrolytic method generates a low concentration of ionic silver aka silver salts. What's nice about the electrolytic method is that the strength of the silver soln is limited ... at a certain concentration, dissolution at the anode and redeposition at the cathode go into steady state.
I do believe colloidal silver can be made, but it tends to agglutinate and form silver sponge (precipitate) or drop onto active surfaces to make a mirror. Until about a hundred years ago and the commercialization of vacuum deposition, all mirrors, astronomical and cosmetic, were silvered from solution. I silvered more than one test tube in my day, and that gave me a fine appreciation for the fussiness of the process. Gold otoh is easier to precipitate into a colloid stable both against chemistry and electrostatic accretion. cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

I agree ... I think that the electrolytic method generates a low concentration of ionic silver aka silver salts. What's nice about the electrolytic method is that the strength of the silver soln is limited ... at a certain concentration, dissolution at the anode and redeposition at the cathode go into steady state.
I do believe colloidal silver can be made, but it tends to agglutinate and form silver sponge (precipitate) or drop onto active surfaces to make a mirror. Until about a hundred years ago and the commercialization of vacuum deposition, all mirrors, astronomical and cosmetic, were silvered from solution. I silvered more than one test tube in my day, and that gave me a fine appreciation for the fussiness of the process. Gold otoh is easier to precipitate into a colloid stable both against chemistry and electrostatic accretion. cn

placer deposits in california are predominantly gold nuggets of considerable purity, but in nevada they tend to have more silver in them. in some cases nevada gold and silver panners turn up pretty close to 50/50 electrum fairly regularly. the greater density of gold causes it to precipitate out first, but sometimes gold and silver blend quite nicely. its depends on the prevailing conditions in the placer.

 

[cannabineer]

placer deposits in california are predominantly gold nuggets of considerable purity, but in nevada they tend to have more silver in them. in some cases nevada gold and silver panners turn up pretty close to 50/50 electrum fairly regularly. the greater density of gold causes it to precipitate out first, but sometimes gold and silver blend quite nicely. its depends on the prevailing conditions in the placer.

Actually the greater electropositivity of the gold is the, uhm, precipitating factor iirc.

Foothill gold is typically 85-90% assay. Silver and some copper, but also tellurium. Gold ditelluride is called calaverite after a county near here; it was also immortalized in Mark Twain's tale of a celebrated jumping frog.
I understand that a boomtown in Colorado (now a stomping ground for the rich&famous) had its streets almost literally paved with a dense rock that was considered waste. It turned out to be calaverite, which is almost 50% gold by weight. I don't recall what refining method was used, as tellurium isn't exactly mother's milk. But it's better than mercury!! cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

my periodic table is kinda old, and i may not be up on the newfangled scienticianist data.

is there also a larger louder more opinionated element called Pennium? i bet it would go great with Tellurium

 

[kpmarine]

I agree ... I think that the electrolytic method generates a low concentration of ionic silver aka silver salts. What's nice about the electrolytic method is that the strength of the silver soln is limited ... at a certain concentration, dissolution at the anode and redeposition at the cathode go into steady state.
I do believe colloidal silver can be made, but it tends to agglutinate and form silver sponge (precipitate) or drop onto active surfaces to make a mirror. Until about a hundred years ago and the commercialization of vacuum deposition, all mirrors, astronomical and cosmetic, were silvered from solution. I silvered more than one test tube in my day, and that gave me a fine appreciation for the fussiness of the process. Gold otoh is easier to precipitate into a colloid stable both against chemistry and electrostatic accretion. cn

Ah okay, I got you. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[UncleBuck]

the John Birch Society has the desire to defend REAL AMERICA from the multicultural wasteland of bullshit, limp dicked liberals, and mindless drones of the leftist establishment. claiming the John Birch Society is made up of out of touch octogenarians with racist tendencies and a pathological fear of everything that they oppose is absolute crap.

just bumping this because i know miss kynes is gonna deny ever saying all this.

 

[desert dude]

I guess the Birchers won in Portland. They defeated water fluoridation again. The people have spoken. Get us out of the UN!

 

[UncleBuck]

LOL!

more like the hipsters, dud. we don't have too many birchers around here.

 

[desert dude]

LOL!

more like the hipsters, dud. we don't have too many birchers around here.

Hipsters and Birchers think alike? WHo knew?

 

[cannabineer]

Birchers thought like hipsters before it was cool. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Birchers thought like hipsters before it was cool. cn

well, racist tendencies of the birchers aside...

 

[cannabineer]

well, racist tendencies of the birchers aside...

Make no mistake; i don't hold with that. 'Twas quip for quip's sake. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Make no mistake; i don't hold with that. 'Twas quip for quip's sake. cn

oh, i know.

i just take every opportunity to point out that birchers are a racist group of loons.