5 Strains for my first real grow and with cfl..OPINIONS WANTED PLEASE

Nuikala

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  • Hi how goes it. Im new to the forum and have been getting tons of good info off here. Im gonna do a second CFL grow (kinda the first as im growing a test plant rite now). Ive ordered 5 strains of feminized seeds. I was wondering what you's think of them as my choices for a first real grow? Has anyone grown any of these strains before? Smoked any? ANy tips are always good.
    The strains i have ordered are:
    Barneys Farms Liberty Haze
    Big Buddha's Cheesy Dick
    Nirvana Northern Lights
    Green Houses' Big Bang
    Kannabias' Domina Haze


    I am planting 1 of each, for now to see how it goes, how big of a grow space will i need, i would like to veg them fairly large, over a meter(3 feet) would be great.​




 

Jogro

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I'm not really "into" any of the above, but from that list, I'd go with the Liberty Haze since at least its parent genetics look good.

Note that since plants typically double in size during flowering (and with sativa-dom strains often more than double), I don't think veg to 3 feet high is likely practical in the context of a CFL grow.

You're really going to grow a 5-6 ft high plant under CFL lighting? That seems highly impractical to me, let alone trying to grow 5 different plants that high under CFLs.

How much vertical space do you have?

If you want big plants either grow outdoors, or invest in an HPS setup, which will give you far better results in terms of yield and bud density, let alone energy efficiency.
 

brotherjericho

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Personally, I'd stay away from any plant that said "haze" in it if growing with CFLs, unless you are going to hang the bulbs off of the plants like xmas ornaments. I've tried heavy sativa doms in less than ideal lighting, it is not a good combination.
 

Nuikala

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Verticle space wouldnt be an issue, im buying the grow tent in a week or two, i can buy whatever size i will need. i was thinking 4 deepx6longx6'high. First grow will be all cfl, i am probably going to triple the light output i currently have over the next couple weeks.
 

Nuikala

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  • Verticle space wouldnt be an issue, im buying the grow tent in a week or two, i can buy whatever size i will need. i was thinking 4 deepx6longx6'high. First grow will be all cfl, i am probably going to triple the light output i currently have over the next couple weeks.





 

althor

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Vertical space is the exact issue. Your CFL light does not penetrate very far. If you have CFL lights at the top of your 4' sativa hybrid, you are not getting any light in the middle of it.

CFL is a very impractical light, regardless of what the CFL lovers try to sell.
 

trophy1

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I think you will be disappointed if try to do tall plants with cfl lighting, you would need to side light them also. If all you can do is cfl right now, you want to go with short plants (appx 18 inches) after stretch.

I know a guy that grows with cfls, he puts his plants into flower at appx 6 - 8 inches tall.
 

Nuikala

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thanx for the info, i think i will hold on to the haze seeds and just germinate the other 3, not veg em too long. i will probly go with the 4x6x6 grow tent in a couple weeks. The main reason i didnt want to go with hps is the initial expense but mostly the heat issues, i do not want to have to run a bunch of ventilation tubing and exhaust fans. i may get a 150 watt hps to supplement my cfl. My next order will be a few autoflowering plants and some kush or diesel more than likely.
 

brotherjericho

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This makes me wonder if anyone has grown a heavy sativa (>= 80%) successfully under anything but HID unless some heavy training takes place? What I mean "successfully" is a good sized plant with a respectable yield. I know I struggle with anything better than 70% if they are the lanky type.
 

growone

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if you want to stay cfl, short will be your friend
and most plants can be done that way, most of our strains are hybrids and don't 'reach for the sky' like some tropical sativa's
i've done nl#5, PPP, cali-o, brainwwreck, and some F1's from those grows
all finished at 2 1/2 feet or under by starting flower after 3 weeks of veg
 

HighFi

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@Nuika......I have been growing a Liberty Haze and Blue Dream for about 6 weeks now and have been LSTing them the whole way. I can say the Liberty Haze doesn't seem to have much tolerance AT ALL for overwatering. I don't even see how I overwatered or nuted but I believe somehow I did. I can suggest that you try the HSO Blue Dream. Though I haven't smoked it, It seems to grow quite easily and very bushy. It was the quickest growing plant I've ever done. Ended up with at least 20 tops gowing into flowering. It is Blueberry x haze. Although I am using a 400 W hps, so I don't know this could all be useless information.
 

HighFi

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But what I meant to add because of other comments was my blue dream and liberty haze are both less than 2' tall after LSTing them.
 

HighFi

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Another strain that I grew halfway under CFL was Dinafem diesel and it also grew pretty fast with lots of tops after LSTing. It also came out with a really good sweet taste and had a great uppity high for me. And it was quite tolerant and easy to grow and not too tall.
 

BluJayz

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Just to be clear your using T5 right? Any other light is not rated for plants and is a waste of time and money.

T5 works great as long as you keep all the plants at the same height and and only have foliage on the top as the light wont reach the bottom leaves.

You don't need to light the sides, your focusing the power and resources on the buds at the top.

Everyone's right, you want to keep them short. We hang the lamps at 4 feet and never change the height the entire grow.

Shitty example but like this!
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I recommend starting with one at a time, take it easy. Your third crop is your first.
 

Jogro

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CFL is a very impractical light, regardless of what the CFL lovers try to sell.
CFL works fine if you want to grow SMALL plants, and/or keep things cheap and stealthy. Just don't expect too much yield.
CFL is also perfectly fine for seedlings and vegging smaller plants.

thanx for the info, i think i will hold on to the haze seeds and just germinate the other 3, not veg em too long. i will probly go with the 4x6x6 grow tent in a couple weeks. The main reason i didnt want to go with hps is the initial expense but mostly the heat issues, i do not want to have to run a bunch of ventilation tubing and exhaust fans. i may get a 150 watt hps to supplement my cfl. My next order will be a few autoflowering plants and some kush or diesel more than likely.
Well, total heat output is almost directly proportionate to energy used, since all these lighting systems convert most of the input electricity into waste heat. Consquently, 150W of CFL puts out nearly as much total heat as a 150W HPS. The HPS will put out a tad more heat because of the extra draw of its ballast (ie a 150W nominally rated HPS actually draws closer to 180W), but the main difference is just that the HPS puts out the heat from one spot, where as the CFL spreads it out more.

Still, not only do HPS bulbs put more light per watt than CFL, the light they put out has a better spectrum for growing. You'll probably pull close to 50% more yield on a per watt basis with a decent HPS setup compared to ordinary CFLs.

As a secondary consideration, the larger the HPS the more efficient they run. 150 HPS setups aren't all that efficient, and typically they use noisy magnetic ballasts. For not that much more money you could get a 250W HPS, and you'll probably double the yield over an 150W with not that much more cost.

Just to be clear your using T5 right? Any other light is not rated for plants and is a waste of time and money.
I disagree. The tubes of CFLs are fundamentally the same as those of T5, and they're available in the exact same light spectra if you care to look (ie 2700K, 5000k, etc).

They're not optimal, and T5s are better for sure, but you can grow perfectly fine plants with ordinary CFLs, so long as you know what you're doing and use them correctly.

The most important difference is that T5 lighting is easily directed straight down with simple reflectors. CFLs are meant to throw their light in a spherical pattern, and are quite a bit harder to direct the light in a useful way. Ideally, you'd want to use parabolic reflectors for them, though most people don't. But they'll still work, and if you're looking at this from an initial setup/hardware perspective, CFLs are probably the cheapest way to get started.
 

Jogro

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Verticle space wouldnt be an issue, im buying the grow tent in a week or two, i can buy whatever size i will need. i was thinking 4 deepx6longx6'high. First grow will be all cfl, i am probably going to triple the light output i currently have over the next couple weeks.
Without trying to confuse you too much, figure with fluorescents, optimal lighting is about 70W per square foot of plant canopy area (ie footprint).

That would be with well-reflected tubes (ie T5s).

With CFLs, you'll probably need to up that a bit because of suboptimal reflecting.

As mentioned, the problem with tall plants is that CFL light isn't that bright; you need to keep the lights close to the plant and if they're tall, unless you use side lighting, only the tippy tops will get light limiting your yield. So with CFLs you have to be extra careful how you place the lights and how you train the plant. Again, these just work better with small short plants.

If you've got the space for a 4 x 6 x 6' tent, I suggest you just skip the CFLs and go with a 250 (or two 250s) or a 400W HPS. You'll have much better results and they'll come a lot easier.
 

RockyMtnMan

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I use all fluoros. I have T5s hanging, and cfls with clamp light reflectors directed around the plants from all sides. I have 18, 4 foot T5s all together.

I started with a 6 bulb T5 and added another when the reflector couldn't reach anything that wasn't directly under the t5. Then another... By the time I was through, I now have a total of 18 T5s, and 15 cfls (most of the cfls I mounted to vanity light strips and hung them vertically from 3 of the mylar coated walls)
Yes I get decent results. Three to five ounces per plant. (depending on the strain and LST or other manipulation) But I kept adding more lights and more plant training and I constantly raise and lower the plants on bricks to maintain the even canopy height.
What I am getting at is this. If I could go back a couple years, I would have just got a 1000 watt HPS and used my time perfecting my grow.
I also had to add a passive air intake through the floor and an inline fan to exhaust the air in the room. Those little CFLs produce quite a bit of heat. By the time you buy enough of them to achieve the same lumens desired, you are using more watts and generating more heat.
I still grow this way, but am trying to aquire a used 400 watt HPS to incorporate into my flower room and gradually remove the T5s as I get a couple HPS.
Like I said, I get good results and great smoke, but it is more challenging, and less effecient.
 

BluJayz

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I disagree. The tubes of CFLs are fundamentally the same as those of T5, and they're available in the exact same light spectra if you care to look (ie 2700K, 5000k, etc).

They're not optimal, and T5s are better for sure, but you can grow perfectly fine plants with ordinary CFLs, so long as you know what you're doing and use them correctly.

The most important difference is that T5 lighting is easily directed straight down with simple reflectors. CFLs are meant to throw their light in a spherical pattern, and are quite a bit harder to direct the light in a useful way. Ideally, you'd want to use parabolic reflectors for them, though most people don't. But they'll still work, and if you're looking at this from an initial setup/hardware perspective, CFLs are probably the cheapest way to get started.

Skill is 80% of the grow so yes almost anything "will work"; you can grow a plant with home depot grow bulbs. Doesn't mean you should..

Lets bee blunt with him and help him make smart decisions. Especially if these are his first grows, he needs an easy base to work up from. He will learn quick and be able to adjust his growing methods to suit his needs.

OP, there is no super secret way to have the best crop your first time. It takes lots of notes (books full) and grows to get it right for you.

Normal CFL will work, heck you can grow with baseball stadium lights; it's a similar idea to using Walmart grow lights. Your light is the fuel, if you buy nothing else for your grow put your money in lights. T5, HPS and MH only; please please please don't use normal HID.

The T5 is the only one able to emit the correct light spectrum needed for proper growth.

See chart:
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Keep this chart in mind when shopping for the right lights for you.

I'm going to stop there; as to not influence you anymore OP. Do some more research and make decisions best for you; take it slow and don't rush it. Its an awesome experience.
 

Nuikala

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if you want to stay cfl, short will be your friend
and most plants can be done that way, most of our strains are hybrids and don't 'reach for the sky' like some tropical sativa's
i've done nl#5, PPP, cali-o, brainwwreck, and some F1's from those grows
all finished at 2 1/2 feet or under by starting flower after 3 weeks of veg
What were the approx yield off of your 2.5 foot plants? im a daily smoker and am looking to grow 4-6 plants and be able to make it last from one crop to the next. i smoke 1.5-2 grams per day on a regular day, more if im in the mood for getting stoned lol. Tired of paying for it at 50-70$$ for 7 grams of kush or equiv.
 
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