Organic grown wheat contains GM impurities

[canndo]

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/13-new-evidence-establishes-dangers-of-roundup/

 

[canndo]

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/blogs/new-review-points-to-glyphosates-dangerous-health-effects/

 

[Red1966]

Never ever forget the story of the little boy who cried wolf, he cried when there was no wolf, cried again, and there was no wolf but in the end, he still wound up as a snack. Just because something predicted once does not come to pass does not mean it never will.

The 70's and 80's are past. Therefore his predictions, having not come true then, can never come true. If, in the future, we do have food shortages, his predictions still would not have come true. He was wrong. Just admit it.

 

[canndo]

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Glyphosate_Toxic_to_Mouth_Cells.php

 

[canndo]

The 70's and 80's are past. Therefore his predictions, having not come true then, can never come true. If, in the future, we do have food shortages, his predictions still would not have come true. He was wrong. Just admit it.

He was wrong.

 

[Red1966]

Rachel Carson wrote "Silent Spring" and helped to create the wacko, dirt-worshipping left. Fast forward to the spring of 2013 and the cicadas are deafening on the east coast. File Rachel in the "sky is falling" bin next to Ehrlich.

Not to mention the 1 million people who die of malaria every year unnecessarily because of her. Ideologues are never concerned about the harm their agendas do.

 

[canndo]

Not to mention the 1 million people who die of malaria every year unnecessarily because of her. Ideologues are never concerned about the harm their agendas do.

That is ancient bullshit - the truth is far different. Rachel did not single handedly ban DDT, nor was DDT banned in other countries - beyond that, it was used indiscriminantly and lost it's effectiveness as it was used on crops rather than insect control. You post an old creaky conservative wives tale that the right really wishes were true so they can condemn all interference with chemical manufacturers.

 

[Red1966]

He was wrong.

Thank you. Nice to meet a man who can admit someone else was wrong.

 

[canndo]

Thank you. Nice to meet a man who can admit someone else was wrong.

And I can even admit when I am wrong. Now, can you? Global restrictions on DDT didn't happen until 2001 and it is still used in a number of countries, pests were, much earlier immune to DDT anyway, you ignore the fact that there are a dozen or so other insecticides that work at least as well as DDT and so the world is not plagued with malaria simply because few use DDT. NOR was DDT banned for mosquito control in the U.S. for many years after the "Silent Spring". Carson was not the cause of the deaths you state.

 

[Red1966]

That is ancient bullshit - the truth is far different. Rachel did not single handedly ban DDT, nor was DDT banned in other countries - beyond that, it was used indiscriminantly and lost it's effectiveness as it was used on crops rather than insect control. You post an old creaky conservative wives tale that the right really wishes were true so they can condemn all interference with chemical manufacturers.

DDT wouldn't have been banned when it was without her book being published. So she deserves the credit, and happily accepted it at the time, too. DDT was banned in other countries, nearly every country on Earth. Yes, it was losing its effectiveness and was being used unwisely by some. Thinking I have political motives in this is just wrong. Your "old creaky conservative wives tale" was still true. Falsely labeling things and and thing trying to use that false label to define it is one of BuckHead's tactics. I thought you were better than that.

 

[canndo]

DDT wouldn't have been banned when it was without her book being published. So she deserves the credit, and happily accepted it at the time, too. DDT was banned in other countries, nearly every country on Earth. Yes, it was losing its effectiveness and was being used unwisely by some. Thinking I have political motives in this is just wrong. Your "old creaky conservative wives tale" was still true. Falsely labeling things and and thing trying to use that false label to define it is one of BuckHead's tactics. I thought you were better than that.

Show me the countries that banned DDT immediately after 1972 if you would. I have seen this false argument many times and it is promoted by the right, I did not call you a rightist, I said that this fairytale was a conservative tool which it is. I did not say you had a political motivation, you merely repeat this myth as fact and others pick it up and spread it further.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

I can show ya that some countries banned it before 1972. And at least one after we did.

From a crappy source(wiki), but not bad:

In the 1970s and 1980s, agricultural use was banned in most developed countries, beginning with Hungary in 1968[33] then in Norway and Sweden in 1970, Germany and the United States in 1972, but not in the United Kingdom until 1984. Vector control use has not been banned, but it has been largely replaced by less persistent alternative insecticides.


So the book was published in '62. Then Hungary, Norway and Sweden, banned it, then US and Germany in '72.

 

[canndo]

I can show ya that some countries banned it before 1972. And at least one after we did.

From a crappy source, but not bad:

In the 1970s and 1980s, agricultural use was banned in most developed countries, beginning with Hungary in 1968[33] then in Norway and Sweden in 1970, Germany and the United States in 1972, but not in the United Kingdom until 1984. Vector control use has not been banned, but it has been largely replaced by less persistent alternative insecticides.


So the book was published in '62. Then Hungary, Norway and Sweden, banned it, then US and Germany in '72.

And that is the all important point here, they were not banned for use against malaria.

The damning of Carson is misplaced.

 

[nontheist]

never heard of filters on the intake fans?

The fastest growing strains, known, are Ruderalis x Indica. You get the auto flower varieties. IAC, filtered intake for mold and pollen, I say.

How are you two going to grow anything when you don't have access(sarcasm)? Pollen gets in your hair, clothes, and can travel miles. The only way to keep pollen out of your house is constant positive pressure and that is very expensive. This is the reason they do this for people with autoimmune disorders because filter don't work if you ever open a door, window, or even have a small crack in your foundation. Hell you can find problem from growers with a little ditch weed much less commercial grown hemp. It would be a very difficult task to grow around commercial hemp grows indoors and impossible outside.

 

[desert dude]

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-links-gmo-food-leukemia

The very first sentence in your link is:

"Last September, the causal link between cancer and genetically modified food was confirmed in a French study, the first independent long-term animal feeding study not commissioned by the biotech corporations themselves. The disturbing details can be found here: New Study Finds GM Corn and Roundup Causes Cancer In Rats"

This references the widely discredited Seralini "research" that I posted about. When I followed the link to the "french study" there was nary a mention of the author's name, Seralini. I had to click through to a second link to get to Seralini's study. This indicates to me that they did not want to mention Seralini lest the receive the raspberry response they deserve. This does not inspire confidence in thier linked research about leukemia, Canndo.

The conclusion of the leukemia study says more study is needed to determine if there is any toxicity in mammals. Hardly a smoking gun even if you are prone to accept the suggestions made by the greenies who run the website you linked to who tout the Seralini study as anything more than blatant bullshit.

 

[desert dude]

there seem to be hemotological studies that indicate problems, studies revealing stomach problems as well. There is a problem in that many of these studies are not reported by science popularizers - and because most of us don't sit down and read the original study or keep our eyes on such journals, we don't get much pertinent information.

Again, what you are asking for is for us to perform a multi-generational experiment on our entire nation and then, well, if we do find incidences of cancer or heart disease that we can in some way attribute directly to gmos (this crop of GMOs as more are coming online all the time) then we can what Dude? take all of those "products" out of nature? How would you handle our discovery of a gmo product that we find, in ten or fifteen years causes cancer of the liver in one in 70 children?

Naturally, we should ban the study of biology. It's the only way to be safe.

 

[desert dude]

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Glyphosate_Toxic_to_Mouth_Cells.php

This is a study which shows damage caused when Glyphosates (i.e. round up) are inhaled. Eating round up ready crops does not involve inhaling round up.

I am not picking on you, Canndo, but you need to do better than this.

 

[desert dude]

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/13-new-evidence-establishes-dangers-of-roundup/

From your link:

"Seralini and his team decided to research the effects of the herbicide on human placenta cells. Their study confirmed the toxicity of glyphosate, as after eighteen hours of exposure at low concentrations, large proportions of human placenta began to die. Seralini suggests that this may explain the high levels of premature births and miscarriages observed among female farmers using glyphosate."

Seralini is damaged goods, Canndo. I don't believe a word the guy says.

Again, this is a study showing that Glyphosates are dangerous to people. Eating GM crops is not the same things as drinking a round up cocktail.

 

[canndo]

This is a study which shows damage caused when Glyphosates (i.e. round up) are inhaled. Eating round up ready crops does not involve inhaling round up.

I am not picking on you, Canndo, but you need to do better than this.

I believe the study was the inhalation of said chemical, now, there may be little difference between contact with the mouth through inhalation or through contact itself. I am finding more but you see, monsanto and friends have mounted a rather large campaign against research itself let alone the dissemination of research results. They are hardly open to any reasearch but their own - likely biased investiagaion.

 

[desert dude]

I believe the study was the inhalation of said chemical, now, there may be little difference between contact with the mouth through inhalation or through contact itself. I am finding more but you see, monsanto and friends have mounted a rather large campaign against research itself let alone the dissemination of research results. They are hardly open to any reasearch but their own - likely biased investiagaion.

Maybe so.

This thread probably ought to be merged with "Monsanto cannabis" thread. Just a suggestion.