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ViRedd

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OBAMA WAS SELECTED, NOT ELECTED
by Ann Coulter
June 4, 2008

Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago.

When Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election by half a percentage point, but lost the Electoral College -- or, for short, "the constitutionally prescribed method for choosing presidents" -- anyone who denied the sacred importance of the popular vote was either an idiot or a dangerous partisan.

But now Hillary has won the popular vote in a Democratic primary, while Obambi has won under the rules. In a spectacular turnabout, media commentators are heaping sarcasm on our plucky Hillary for imagining the "popular vote" has any relevance whatsoever.

It's the exact same situation as in 2000, with Hillary in the position of Gore and Obama in the position of Bush. The only difference is: Hillary has a much stronger argument than Gore ever did (and Hillary's more of a man than Gore ever was).

Unbeknownst to liberals, who seem to imagine the Constitution is a treatise on gay marriage, our Constitution sets forth rules for the election of a president. Under the Constitution that has led to the greatest individual liberty, prosperity and security ever known to mankind, Americans have no constitutional right to vote for president, at all. (Don't fret Democrats: According to five liberals on the Supreme Court, you do have a right to sodomy and abortion!)

Americans certainly have no right to demand that their vote prevail over the electors' vote.

The Constitution states that electors from each state are to choose the president, and it is up to state legislatures to determine how those electors are selected. It is only by happenstance that most states use a popular vote to choose their electors.

When you vote for president this fall, you will not be voting for Barack Obama or John McCain; you will be voting for an elector who pledges to cast his vote for Obama or McCain. (For those new Obama voters who may be reading, it's like voting for Paula, Randy or Simon to represent you, instead of texting your vote directly.)

Any state could abolish general elections for president tomorrow and have the legislature pick the electors. States could also abolish their winner-take-all method of choosing presidential electors -- as Nebraska and Maine have already done, allowing their electors to be allocated in proportion to the popular vote. And of course there's always the option of voting electors off the island one by one.

If presidential elections were popular vote contests, Bush might have spent more than five minutes campaigning in big liberal states like California and New York. But under a winner-take-all regime, close doesn't count. If a Republican doesn't have a chance to actually win a state, he may as well lose in a landslide. Using the same logic, Gore didn't spend a lot of time campaigning in Texas (and Walter Mondale campaigned exclusively in Minnesota).

Consequently, under both the law and common sense, the famed "popular vote" is utterly irrelevant to presidential elections. It would be like the winner of "Miss Congeniality" claiming that title also made her "Miss America." Obviously, Bush might well have won the popular vote, but he would have used a completely different campaign strategy.

By contrast, there are no constitutional rules to follow with party primaries. Primaries are specifically designed by the parties to choose their strongest candidate for the general election.

Hillary's argument that she won the popular vote is manifestly relevant to that determination. Our brave Hillary has every right to take her delegates to the Democratic National Convention and put her case to a vote. She is much closer to B. Hussein Obama than the sainted Teddy Kennedy was to Carter in 1980 when Teddy staged an obviously hopeless rules challenge at the convention. (I mean rules about choosing the candidate, not rules about crushed ice at after-parties.)

And yet every time Hillary breathes a word about her victory in the popular vote, TV hosts respond with sneering contempt at her gaucherie for even mentioning it. (Of course, if popularity mattered, networks like MSNBC wouldn't exist. That's a station that depends entirely on "superviewers.")

After nearly eight years of having to listen to liberals crow that Bush was "selected, not elected," this is a shocking about-face. Apparently unaware of the new party line that the popular vote amounts to nothing more than warm spit, just last week HBO ran its movie "Recount," about the 2000 Florida election, the premise of which is that sneaky Republicans stole the presidency from popular vote champion Al Gore. (Despite massive publicity, the movie bombed, with only about 1 million viewers, so now HBO is demanding a "recount.")

So where is Kevin Spacey from HBO's "Recount," to defend Hillary, shouting: "WHO WON THIS PRIMARY?"

In the Democrats' "1984" world, the popular vote is an unconcept, doubleplusungood verging crimethink. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
 

natrone23

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Vi what is the point of saying B. Husein Obama?, I was just wondering, I know why liberals call John Mccain, McSame or McBush. because there trying to correlate Mccains positions has the same as bush
 

ViRedd

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Vi what is the point of saying B. Husein Obama?, I was just wondering, I know why liberals call John Mccain, McSame or McBush. because there trying to correlate Mccains positions has the same as bush
Because that's his name. Kind of like D. Danforth Quayle ... if you get my drift. :mrgreen:

Vi
 
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medicineman

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The delegate count is used in every election to nominate the candidate and to elect the president, To parady Bush's supreme court nomination to delegate count is totally precosious. I would favor a total vote count, but that's not the way it works. To say Bush was selected is a slam dunk. To say Onama was selected is bullshit. he was nominated like all those before him with delegates, just like john McSame.
 

natrone23

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Because that's his name. Kind of like D. Danforth Quayle ... if you get my drift. :mrgreen:

Vi
What do you call any other person.............there first and last name, why don't you call bill clinton.....W. Jefferson Clinton?
 

GrowRebel

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That bitch is so full of shit ... it's not even funny ... he was selected and elected ... selected by corporate amerika and elected ... not much choice ... by the people ...
 

ViRedd

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What do you call any other person.............there first and last name, why don't you call bill clinton.....W. Jefferson Clinton?
Because to mention Bill Clinton in the same breath with Jefferson is pure, unadulterated, blasphemy! :blsmoke:

Vi
 

blonddie07

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What a cool place this land would be without TV's/ Radios/ and news papers...

Or how about just fuck the media.

Hmmm...

I dont get it, What is the problem here? is it that no one likes Obama? and they wanted hillary?

What do you guys really feel about Obama? Honestly, would you have Obama, or Mccain?

Now that i think of it, it doesn't matter, their all preselected right?

Ehhhh............

I dont see why Obama is a bad choice, (lets just say some things are legit) I think Hillary would be a horrible choice. Along with mccain.
 
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undertheice

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Look Natrone, he's trying to opine that Obama is muslim. That's how ignorant he is.
isn't this what many of us do when referring to the opposition? we attempt to belittle them by childishly toying with their names (do the terms "repube" or "repuke" ring a bell). it may do nothing but feed our own egos, but it seems a harmless conceit. those who engage in such behavior on a professional level (politicians, media pundits and the like) should probably be held accountable for such infantile behavior, but we here on the boards are merely showing how trivial matters of politics really are to us.

by the way, i don't claim to be innocent of such tricks. i merely tend to be more reserved and a bit less imaginative.
 

undertheice

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What a cool place this land would be without TV's/ Radios/ and news papers...

Or how about just fuck the media.
the mainstream media has become all about selling you something. whether it's a new car or a new presidential candidate, they must sell in order to survive. that's all fine and dandy as long as we all understand that and we treat their "information" accordingly. believing you are getting the whole, unvarnished truth from such sources is how tyrants are elected. even those of us who search far and wide for our information taint it with our own bias.

I don't get it, What is the problem here? is it that no one likes Obama? and they wanted hillary?

What do you guys really feel about Obama? I don't see why Obama is a bad choice.
do you really want to know?

obama lacks the experience to deal with the corrupt system that is in place. his decidedly left-wing stance, when combined with a democratically controlled congress, places the country in danger of being overrun by a series of half-baked social programs and the expansion of an already bloated federal government. behind the rhetoric of international cooperation lies the spectre of appeasement and and the possibility of an isolationism that would cripple our already fragile economy or an opening for some nau-like scheme that would strip from the country its individuality and self determination (these may seem to be polar opposites, but they both arise from the same fear of being overwhelmed by the current international market). finally, there is his obvious disdain for the relatively free market that has allowed this country to prosper for over two-hundred years and his espousal of the socialistic ideals of what was once the fringe of the democratic party, that are anathema to the growth of a free society and an easy path to the totalitarianism of the nanny-state.

these objections are just off the top of my head and may seem a bit far fetched to some, but in this country, where sliding to the extreme is the norm, they should be considered as a very real threat. would hillary have been a less objectionable choice? i doubt it. the democratic party has become an entity that merely plays on our fear of poverty and personal disaster, just as the republicans play on our fear of the outside world.

I think Hillary would be a horrible choice. Along with mccain.
though i agree that hillary would have been totally unelectable (she combined some of the worst of obama with a presence totally unsuited to the position), i disagree that mccain is quite as bad as he is being portrayed. despite being painted with broad strokes as a war-mongering bush clone, his stance to the left of the party line might assure we aren't trapped by the extremist views of the republican fringe. at the same time, his hopes for reelection would shackle him to his party's leadership and keep him from sliding entirely into the depths of his democratic party tendencies. keeping a balance between the two opposing parties is also a positive aspect that should not be ignored. as long as the government is at war with itself it cannot expend its full energies on stripping its citizens of their hard earned rights and that is, after all, the primary aim of our bureaucracy.:wink:
 

hom36rown

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Because to mention Bill Clinton in the same breath with Jefferson is pure, unadulterated, blasphemy! :blsmoke:

Vi
I think what natrone is getting at is that by constantly saying B. Hussein Obama you are trying convey that he is arabic or possibly muslim, and what you are implying is that that it is somehow a negative or a bad thing...much like people call mccain mcbush, they are trying to convey that is he is identical to bush, and they are, of course, implying that that is a negative or bad thing. It is simple to see who this type of propaganda is aimed at, personally i dont care if his middle name is arabic or not if he is a good president, but it probably scares the shit out of a lot of people in west virginia and mississippi. To be clear, I dont think you are a racist vi, or that you honestly think he is a muslim and it has more to do with just being a stupid name you call him like Underthice said...you probably just watch too much fox news so it just comes out naturally lol.. but I do believe most of the people I see doing this on television truly are hateful people....Ann Coulter being an EXCELLENT example!
 
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AboveYourInfluence

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I like to think of Ann Coulter as a postmodern comedian more than anything. It seems very likely to me that the things she says are a critique of the radical right and just how crazy many of them can be. Much like Stephen Colbert, only its not obvious to people that shes joking, which only adds another level to the hilarity.

Admittedly I think about her in those terms mostly because it hurts my brain and kills my buzz to think she could possibly be serious.
 

medicineman

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I like to think of Ann Coulter as a postmodern comedian more than anything. It seems very likely to me that the things she says are a critique of the radical right and just how crazy many of them can be. Much like Stephen Colbert, only its not obvious to people that shes joking, which only adds another level to the hilarity.

Admittedly I think about her in those terms mostly because it hurts my brain and kills my buzz to think she could possibly be serious.
Read her books, she is dead serious.
 

ViRedd

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Vi, why not say R. Wilson Regan. Why would Barack Obama be any different?[/quote]

Because to equate The Gipper with anything having to do with Wilson would be pure, unadulterated, blasphemy. :mrgreen:

After all, it was President Wilson that gave us the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal income tax. Hardly something that I would equate with R. Reagan's administration. :blsmoke:

And referring to B. Hussien O'Bama, as "B. Hussien O'Bama" is nothing more than shoving left wing bullshit hate tactics right back down left winger bullshit, hate spewing throats. See? ~lol~

D. "Dankforth" Quaile anyone? ~lol~

Vi



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hom36rown

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I like to think of Ann Coulter as a postmodern comedian more than anything. It seems very likely to me that the things she says are a critique of the radical right and just how crazy many of them can be. Much like Stephen Colbert, only its not obvious to people that shes joking, which only adds another level to the hilarity.

Admittedly I think about her in those terms mostly because it hurts my brain and kills my buzz to think she could possibly be serious.
You gotta be kidding me...youre comparing ann coulter to stephen colbert? Oh yeah...shes REAL funny YouTube - Keith Olbermann Slams Ann Coulter
 
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