biscuitkid
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if you was to choose a line of organic the whole line to see be used would u choose GH organics cal/mag,bioroot,etc. or would u choose Earth Juice whole line? this would be for outdoors also...
GH Organics or Earthjuice?
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May11th
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I use general organics indoors, their whole organic line plus their flush which I dont dont the name florflush id assume lol
I am pleased, I feed between light and heavy with every watering. Everything grows great and soil or coco is works. If you try earth juice goodluck man, I would like to see results if you do. Heres a pic of a lil girl in veg
I am pleased, I feed between light and heavy with every watering. Everything grows great and soil or coco is works. If you try earth juice goodluck man, I would like to see results if you do. Heres a pic of a lil girl in veg
mycomaster
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I bought the G.O. starter pack for $30 and found it to be a great deal, everything you need basicly and then some. Great for outside as well, and you won't be destroying mother earth with harsh chem nutes. I applaud you on your organic choice and either one is a good organic line, but I prefer G.O. I like to buy different products from different companies but if I had to choose just one it would be G.O. for sure. Hope this helps. Peace out.
I've never used EJ either but GO's bottles are the ones I fall back on if I need to. I try not to use any bottled products but sometimes you have to and the GO line has given me some of my best meds from a bottled product... It doesnt come close to the meds I get from supersoil, but again I've never really tweaked and dialed with GO so I'm sure some improvement would be made if I was to use it again as I am presently... I ran out of SS a couple months ago and didnt have enough time to wait for the next batch to be done and the ones I'm using it on now look pretty damn tasty...
hyroot
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How did you get your plants to grow from the ceiling? Lol
biscuitkid
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so I kept with what I was doing the whole lineup of general hydro bio-line the only thing I added which I wasn't using was bio-marine does anyone got any suggestions with this product? i'll be using bio-grow,bioweed,bioroot, cal/mag,and bio-marine...anybody got any special recipes how they use this product outdoors?...I will say all growth is happy n green all leaves r pointing toward the norcali sky happy 
murdergrow
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Ive heard some really nice reviews of EJ but have never had a chance to use it. If cost is an issue I would recommend the GO starter kit. Gives you everything you need for a grow at a decent price. If price is not an issue why not try both lines an do a side by side?
Currently I am using Roots Organic Uprising. I add the RO dry mix as a top dressing once a month and every once in a while I will add some GO CalMag and RO Trinity, maybe once a week I add these bottled supplements. On ever rarer occasions, again like once a month, I will throw in a bit of GO Bioroot and Bioweed only because I have some left over from when I was using the complete GO line. I toss in some myco when I transplant the clones and right when I switch to flower as well.
Whatever you choose, good luck
Currently I am using Roots Organic Uprising. I add the RO dry mix as a top dressing once a month and every once in a while I will add some GO CalMag and RO Trinity, maybe once a week I add these bottled supplements. On ever rarer occasions, again like once a month, I will throw in a bit of GO Bioroot and Bioweed only because I have some left over from when I was using the complete GO line. I toss in some myco when I transplant the clones and right when I switch to flower as well.
Whatever you choose, good luck
No matter how I'm growing... the only thing thats constant as of recent, is that its done organically... I dont believe bottled products are all ever 100% organic... but I'm not here to bitch about that... however, I always try to use compost teas at least here and there... I know the no-till guys are gonna roast me and say they're not necessary etc... but I like the results I get from them so I'll recommend using them on any level along with whatever method of feeding you are doing, obviously not including synthetics... The best results I've gotten to date were gotten using the entire general organics line except the diamond black other than once or twice and compost teas with minimally amended soil; alafalfa meal, kelp meal, lots of castings, and lime... I think that was about it... That was gotten with TGA's "the void"... aka purple apollo 13... Awesome meds...
One thing I do need to say, is you need to amend your soil a little at least... EWC's are a must...MUST have... Dont skip them... but understand that organics in a bottle generally dont yield as well as synthetics, hydro or other methods of organic growing... Amending your soil and hitting them with compost teas a couple times a month or once every 3rd or 4th feeding will get you headed in the right direction... It takes time and tinkering to get up there with the yields of synthetics etc... but the med makes up for it as long as you do it right and eventually you're yields will be right there with synthetics... If growing organically was as easy as just pouring a liquid in a measuring device like synthetics, everyone would be growing organically... But the reality of it is, organics is easier once you understand it... I came to growing by picking up a high times so the bottled shit was rammed down my throat and thats all I understood... You can tell the difference between a well grown organic nug and a synthetically grown one once you've tasted the difference...
What I was getting at with that last bit is; dont think you can just keep upping the dose of the bottles to get your yields up with the organic stuff, it takes more than just that... Do some reading about soil amending used in conjunction with the organic bottled product you're using and compost teas... Even a simple compost tea a couple times a month will make a difference... But you can get carried away with them mainly because you can use too much molasses... and you're just not going to get any more or something better out of the plants by doing it more frequently... I like to put a watering of straight water between my bottled products and compost teas but it probably doesnt matter, and use them every 3 or 4th feeding when I use GO...
One thing I do need to say, is you need to amend your soil a little at least... EWC's are a must...MUST have... Dont skip them... but understand that organics in a bottle generally dont yield as well as synthetics, hydro or other methods of organic growing... Amending your soil and hitting them with compost teas a couple times a month or once every 3rd or 4th feeding will get you headed in the right direction... It takes time and tinkering to get up there with the yields of synthetics etc... but the med makes up for it as long as you do it right and eventually you're yields will be right there with synthetics... If growing organically was as easy as just pouring a liquid in a measuring device like synthetics, everyone would be growing organically... But the reality of it is, organics is easier once you understand it... I came to growing by picking up a high times so the bottled shit was rammed down my throat and thats all I understood... You can tell the difference between a well grown organic nug and a synthetically grown one once you've tasted the difference...
What I was getting at with that last bit is; dont think you can just keep upping the dose of the bottles to get your yields up with the organic stuff, it takes more than just that... Do some reading about soil amending used in conjunction with the organic bottled product you're using and compost teas... Even a simple compost tea a couple times a month will make a difference... But you can get carried away with them mainly because you can use too much molasses... and you're just not going to get any more or something better out of the plants by doing it more frequently... I like to put a watering of straight water between my bottled products and compost teas but it probably doesnt matter, and use them every 3 or 4th feeding when I use GO...
biscuitkid
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im all for Teas I used them thru-out the grow last yr, but I think a lot of my success of last yr was a plant I have in my yard, COMFREY, what I do is cut the leaves into a bucket, I fill the bucket up until its nice n full I then add water,i push down the leaves and cover it n put it into the sun, the leaves dissolve giving a nice stanky mix almost like straight shit..the whole process takes awhile for all the leaves to dissolve I then strain thru a painter bucket strainer and blam I give this mixture about a cup per plant and they love it! the growth is amazing I use this all thru-out veg then when I get to flowering I stop and go with my normal flowering mixture...im all for trying new things! and the teas I just buy some bio-dynamic teas and bubble it for 24-48 hrs then I give them that people get the misconcept just like u said adding and adding its about doing things properly and giving the right enviorment the more happy and big root system we have the bigger yield we have!
1337hacker
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I'd say just stay away from their CaMg+ product, it's fermented molasses and is organic or w/e, but has been highly inconsistent for me.... Literally the only ingredient I switched out and plants are maintaining their health throughout early flower now.
It contains 10% fermented molasses, not made or derived from fermented molasses.... Its derived from calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate, not caclium nitrate like all the others I believe... Are you using a different cal/mag product? The main reason I use it is because its the only "organic" ca/mg product out there, the rest have EDTA and all these other 4 letter acronyms that are no good for organic growing.. I use lime in my soils but I also use RO water so a cal/mag product is necessary for me, I've been trying to get a hold of some crushed oyster shell locally but it seems I'm crazy for imagining this product as I cant find it anywhere... But I have noticed the early flowering crunchies myself on my plants... I havent been able to get a plant through weeks 1 through 4 without those crunchy lower leaves but I've never really gone up past 1.5tsp per gal of ca/mg+ and I've heard its necessary to go higher but I havent really pushed much past that...
http://generalhydroponics.com/site/gh/docs/prod_labels/CaMg.pdf
Nullis
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There is also Calplex and Fulvex from Botanicare; combined they provide calcium, magnesium and other minerals. Fulvex also contains fulvic acids.
I use rain water and mix up to two heaping tablespoons of dolomite lime into my mix, as well as a tablespoon per gallon of Azomite. Blackstrap molasses does also provide some Ca, Mg, and other minerals (Iron, Zinc, Potassium).
I use rain water and mix up to two heaping tablespoons of dolomite lime into my mix, as well as a tablespoon per gallon of Azomite. Blackstrap molasses does also provide some Ca, Mg, and other minerals (Iron, Zinc, Potassium).
1337hacker
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Yes, that is my pain, crunchy leaves come week 4... I am running 4 different rooms with 6 lights in them and the most recent one I switched out the CaMg+ for Botanicare's Cal Mag Plus, there is literally not one leaf that is not dark green and healthy, and we are on day 30 .
Nullis, have you personally tried Calplex and Fulvex in combination? How much would you apply per gallon of water?
The next thing I might try is Roots Organic Elemental as a top dressing as I would like to avoid the EDTA in Botanicare's CalMag Plus as well.
Obviously I dont doubt you at all, I've seen you around here for awhile now but isnt that a little too much azomite? I use that stuff in my teas at 1/8th of a teaspoon for up to 10 gallons of tea and at every 3rd tea... because I was under the impression that I'd end up with salt build up if I used it too liberally... I do use some in my supersoil but only the suggested amounts via subs recipe...
I'm gonna look into that stuff from organicare... I cant say I really see much wrong with the GO product but I cant get rid of the crunchies and rough looking leaves here and there during the first few weeks of 12/12 that look like ca. def, but it seems like I'd eventually catch up to it... So maybe a switch to a different brand may stop that before I have to play catch up... The other thing is I cant find powdered dolomite lime or crushed/ground oyster shell locally, I've been trying to get some but I'm gonna have to suck it up and just order some, I'd rather just use that and not have to use a ca/mg product if I dont have to...
May11th
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I run nothing special through my program but I use general organics and have had good results. I will add that I just do a mild dose throughout its hole life, when its going through growth spurts I may add a lil more of bio bud and bio marine, I really have to use alot of their stuff because I currently have 72 plants in flowering. From 3 days of 12/12 to 11 weeks of 12/12 and every now in then things arise but I dont sweat ut, I keep feeding as usual, the problems always go away, I will say I hate seeing leafs die off late in flowering but its just mother natures way of saying its fall weather. I dont feed any added nitrogen throughout my flowering period and I still have green plants in 11 weeks of flowering from the go line. The stuff stinks though and I take a shower after messing w it. My gf hates the smell. Why wont anyone show pictures to match their mouths, if you cant prove it why bullshit someone unless your already trustworthy? I understand im new to the game but its not hard. Its easy to follow directions off here and use it to your advantage. Just pict yhe ones who have proof. Ive been bullshitted on many things but general organics is simple, not to hard on wallet and works amazing if you like bug harvest youll like the go.
Nullis
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CalMag+ also contains calcium nitrate; not something you really want to be using in organics or with flowering plants. I have used Calplex + Fulvex in the past, at the recommended rates... 1tbsp per gallon of Fulvex and you can use it for foliar by itself also.
The Azomite I use is granulated, I typically mix just under a tbps per gallon (or 4 per 5 gallons) with larger plants. The bag says for house plants to use "1 tsp per 2 inch pot diameter" the first application. For smaller plants\clones I might just use a teaspoon (5" square pots).
Earth Juice makes a Calcium, Magnesium, Humic Acid product incidentally called OilyCann, hopefully I can fine some to try.
The Azomite I use is granulated, I typically mix just under a tbps per gallon (or 4 per 5 gallons) with larger plants. The bag says for house plants to use "1 tsp per 2 inch pot diameter" the first application. For smaller plants\clones I might just use a teaspoon (5" square pots).
Earth Juice makes a Calcium, Magnesium, Humic Acid product incidentally called OilyCann, hopefully I can fine some to try.
I cant find where I read it now but it was stated specifically that the ca/mg+ is derived from calcium and magnesium carbonate and not from calcium nitrate.. But I am thinking I may need to switch it up for a grow or 2 just to see what/if anything changes... The only reason I really continue to use it on a regular basis is because I use RO water so I figure they are going to need it so I just run a tsp per gal... I'm starting to think maybe I need to go lower as far as a constant dosage instead of continuously going up.. Most all my other grows; granted I was using aerated tap... I rarely ran into this issue and I hardly ever busted out the cal/mag...