Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Doer]

If you don't care than why are you here?

I fail to see what you have contributed here.

Again it doesn't matter nor do I have any need to explain anything or justify myself in any way.
You now suggest I want your understanding of contribution. Funny. You said it. You fail.

Dark mind influence...you see, there are various levels or corridors....never mind.

 

[cannabineer]

How is this thread still going?? Im no hippy by any means, but i know that food that i grow or get down the block at the farmers market tastes alot better than the crap the grocery store puts on its shelves. Id figure that would be nuff said. But look at all the countries baning gmos. Is the whole world run by sencless hippies or is there actually an impact on our global food chain being caused by fiddleing with nature? I dont think this thread will uncover the truth anytime soon lol

Is this about GM, or is that about the difference between industrialized culture, harvest and distribution vs. the handbasket approach? cn

 

[joe macclennan]

Again it doesn't matter nor do I have any need to explain anything or justify myself in any way.

yet you keep coming back?

When was the last time you got laid?

 

[Doer]

yet you keep coming back?

When was the last time you got laid?

I live here, i lost my dick in Angola along with both legs and left nut. The right nut, I accidently reverse swallowed in the explosion and it is a partial, hanging from my navel next to the....ahem....tubes. My diaphragm was "lost" and I work, writing drivel from an iron lung to support my grow. And you can see my grow in my journal.

I take donations by paypal. I admire you for the guts to ask. Why are you here?

 

[Trousers]

well one thing I can say about the gm corn around here is it has been modified to resist root rot. This sounds great if you have a wet spring where seedlings would get drowned out but an unintended side effect is the entire plant itself resists rot.

What is the downside to this you might ask? Well, one major thing is that the stalks,leaves and shit do not biodegrade like traditional corn so the nutrients and minerals that might otherwise go back into the soil do not. This afterharvest debris ends up blowing around in highwinds plugging up ditches, culverts and ending up in the rivers and creeks.

This is not the case on my farms. Is this your farm or could I read about it some where?

Since this material isn't contributing back to the field's nutritional diversity and also since corn itself is such a high consumer of nutrients next year even more fertilizer needs to be used. Usually synthetic, sometimes organic like from pig/cattle farms and such.

That is more of a monoculture problem than a GMO problem. I am working to converting to no till farming.

Either way these fertilizers end up running off into the watershed and causing more problems.

Google fertilizer runoff and algal blooms if you are interested.

That is not a GMO issue.

So as far as I am concerned gm corn like this only makes the manufacturers rich twofold, first from the initial purchase of seed then from increased fertilizer purchase next year. All the while damaging local ecosystems.

That is not really a gmo issue.

This is not just my opinion. I have a good friend who is a fairly large farmer and most of this info comes from him.

Can these facts be linked to harmful effects in humans? Maybe not directly at this time. The unintended effects are obvious though.

What are they and where can I read about them? All I have read is people freaking out about GMO. They are exactly like people that do not think we have had an impact on our planet's climate. They ignore science when it does not agree with them.

I might add that it often takes years to discover how harmful products are to environment and ecosystems. Look how long ddt was used.

DDT is a man made chemical. GMO corn is a plant. You are comparing apples and battery acid.

 

[joe macclennan]

This is not the case on my farms. Is this your farm or could I read about it some where?


No as I stated in my post it is not my farm and as far as reading about it. Google rot resistant corn.

That is more of a monoculture problem than a GMO problem. I am working to converting to no till farming.
I am a fan of no till but it only contributes to the problem of post harvest byproducts going into rivers,streams and ditches.

That is not a GMO issue.

You should read the post. I never said it was.

That is not really a gmo issue.
same as before.


What are they and where can I read about them? All I have read is people freaking out about GMO. They are exactly like people that do not think we have had an impact on our planet's climate. They ignore science when it does not agree with them.

I just listed some of them, and for the record I am not freaking out about gmo's I fully understand how science can and does make all things more productive. Science also yielded the h-bomb.


DDT is a man made chemical. GMO corn is a plant. You are comparing apples and battery acid.

Oh my! REALLY? my comparison had nothing to do with gmo's there. It was only meant to demonstrate how previously accepted practices were later found to be quite harmful.
Apparently in your narrow minded focus of defending gmo's you over looked that.

If you are happy planting gmo's by all means knock yourself out. I could care less.

If you are looking for definitive answers on how these things affect the ecosystem or humans. I doubt you will find them here.

If you're intent is just to argue that your dick is bigger. I'm out.

 

[ginjawarrior]

really............

Well no as far as I can tell it's utter bullshit.

And with that the whole of your post ends up being bullshit

But at least you wrote it well if utterly wrong

 

[joe macclennan]

Well no as far as I can tell it's utter bullshit.

And with that the whole of your post ends up being bullshit

But at least you wrote it well if utterly wrong

wow, really? Okie dokie then. from a two second search of google. Bullshit huh?

http://ohioline.osu.edu/ac-fact/0022.html

http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/ppa/ppa26/ppa26.htm
Disease-Resistant Hybrids

Corn growers should select high yield potential hybrids that also have stalk rot resistance, leaf disease resistance, and good standability. Full-season hybrids are generally more resistant than those that mature early in a given area. Resistance to the fungi that cause stalk rots helps prevent losses from premature plant death and lodging.
Many resistant hybrids are available. Most hybrids, however, are only resistant to the organisms causing Diplodia, Gibberella and Fusarium stalk rots. Hybrids that are resistant to these fungi may be highly susceptible to anthracnose stalk rot. Hybrids resistant to anthracnose may be somewhat susceptible to other stalk rot fungi. Thus, it is important to know which organisms are causing major stalk rot damage in an area and to which stalk rot fungi a hybrid is resistant.
In addition to stalk rot resistance, growers should select hybrids resistant to foliar diseases important in their area. Resistance to leaf diseases is important since loss of leaf area can predispose the corn to stalk rot problems.
Hybrid standability is another factor that should be considered. Hybrids with thick rind or other characteristics that increase standability often remain standing even though the interior of the stalk is thoroughly decayed. Corn producers should check out such characteristics before selecting a particular hybrid.
It is often worthwhile to tour local hybrid strip plots to check on the susceptibility of various hybrids to stalk rot. Up-to-date information on the yield performance and lodging of many hybrids is also available in the latest issue of the U.K. publication "Kentucky Hybrid Corn Performance Test."

 

[ginjawarrior]

wow, really? Okie dokie then.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/ac-fact/0022.html

http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/ppa/ppa26/ppa26.htm
Disease-Resistant Hybrids

Corn growers should select high yield potential hybrids that also have stalk rot resistance, leaf disease resistance, and good standability. Full-season hybrids are generally more resistant than those that mature early in a given area. Resistance to the fungi that cause stalk rots helps prevent losses from premature plant death and lodging.
Many resistant hybrids are available. Most hybrids, however, are only resistant to the organisms causing Diplodia, Gibberella and Fusarium stalk rots. Hybrids that are resistant to these fungi may be highly susceptible to anthracnose stalk rot. Hybrids resistant to anthracnose may be somewhat susceptible to other stalk rot fungi. Thus, it is important to know which organisms are causing major stalk rot damage in an area and to which stalk rot fungi a hybrid is resistant.
In addition to stalk rot resistance, growers should select hybrids resistant to foliar diseases important in their area. Resistance to leaf diseases is important since loss of leaf area can predispose the corn to stalk rot problems.
Hybrid standability is another factor that should be considered. Hybrids with thick rind or other characteristics that increase standability often remain standing even though the interior of the stalk is thoroughly decayed. Corn producers should check out such characteristics before selecting a particular hybrid.
It is often worthwhile to tour local hybrid strip plots to check on the susceptibility of various hybrids to stalk rot. Up-to-date information on the yield performance and lodging of many hybrids is also available in th
e latest issue of the U.K. publication "Kentucky Hybrid Corn Performance Test."

from a two second search of google. Bullshit huh?

Hybrid right?


[h=2]hybrid corn[/h] noun





[h=2]Definition of HYBRID CORN[/h]1
: a corn resulting from crossbreeding; specif : the grain of Indian corn developed by hybridizing two or more inbred strains

2
: the plant that is grown from the grain of hybrid corn and that conforms to a standard of desirable characteristics including increased size, yield, or disease resistance but whose own grain produces an inferior progeny


So gmo rot resistant corn?

 

[joe macclennan]

I understand that. Also gmo

 

[ginjawarrior]

I understand that. Also gmo

Gmo rot ressistant corn? Really?

If you did understand that why did you bring a piece about hybrids to a gmo thread and blame gmo for the hybrids problems?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

the corn is GM'ed to resist .. .not hybridized . . isnt that what hes saying . . . . .

the choices we make today can not unequivocally be said to not have negative reactions like a ripple effect . . .although the opposite is truw as well . . but when you put the human factor into it . . . .we fuck everything up when we try to engineer it . . .. . sad truth . . . .dream is always more vivid then reality . . . . .and i dont need to have GMO produce to be healthy so i see it as a unnecessary action as well as dangerous . . . . . .


dont fix what aint broken is not a saying cuase its catchy its a saying cause some things do not need to be improved upon in order to be effective and effcient . . .. .and money is no excuse . . .in a argument that effects not just the US but every country we ship to

 

[joe macclennan]

Yes, really. Can you prove that said corn is not gmo?

No you cannot as the seed companies are not compelled to disclose such information.

 

[ginjawarrior]

the corn is GMO to resist .. .not hrbrydized . . isnt that what hes saying . . . . .

I know what he's saying and as far as I can tell it's false there is no gmo corn that is so resistant to rot that the whole plant doesn't biodegrade

hybrid =/= gmo

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

well maybe preasure Joe to be more forth coming with his actual assertions . . . .what you say Joe is it possible to prove that the GMO corn is not decomposing correctly in order to replenish the soil?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Yes, really. Can you prove that said corn is not gmo?

No you cannot as the seed companies are not compelled to disclose such information.

you show me something that says it's "hybrid" and then ask me to prove its not "gmo"?

cute

 

[joe macclennan]

I know what he's saying and as far as I can tell it's false there is no gmo corn that is so resistant to rot that the whole plant doesn't biodegrade

hybrid =/= gmo

I never said the plant doesn't biodegrade. It does at a much slower rate. Keep misquoting me douche.

 

[ginjawarrior]

I never said the plant doesn't biodegrade. It does at a much slower rate. Keep misquoting me douche.

You've ended up saying a few things in this thread now and they're all adding up to you lying

But feel free to call me names if you think that'll distract from your lying

 

[ginjawarrior]

well maybe preasure Joe to be more forth coming with his actual assertions . . . .what you say Joe is it possible to prove that the GMO corn is not decomposing correctly in order to replenish the soil?

I thought that's what I was doing asking for evidence of this mythical gmo corn

He hasn't even shown they are using gmo instead of the hybrid trial he posted

 

[joe macclennan]

feel free to misquote me if it makes it seem as if you are correct. Almost all corn is gmo anymore. This is a fact.

But feel free to bury your head in the sand.