cannawizard
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@growingforfun, what strains are those in the pics? 
Is pruning relative to growth.
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burgertime2010
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Incredible plants.....teach me.
growingforfun
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the scrogged plant is northern lights x big bud , the one my girl is holding up is super skunk.
i have another super skunk going this time and it should be interesting considering its much larger then the one in the picture. im not running the NL x BB this time but only because i couldent get a clone from a friend in time, it is in the works in next run though. to replace the NL x BB iv put in a alaska thunder fuck and its most likely going to be a 3 lb plant, this is all indoors by the way....
things iv added since those pictures: sealed room, Co2, vertical 600 hps UNDER the canopy to fuel growth. (similar to kitehigh's picture) oh and i changed from magnetic ballasts to digital, dimmable ballasts.
i have another super skunk going this time and it should be interesting considering its much larger then the one in the picture. im not running the NL x BB this time but only because i couldent get a clone from a friend in time, it is in the works in next run though. to replace the NL x BB iv put in a alaska thunder fuck and its most likely going to be a 3 lb plant, this is all indoors by the way....
things iv added since those pictures: sealed room, Co2, vertical 600 hps UNDER the canopy to fuel growth. (similar to kitehigh's picture) oh and i changed from magnetic ballasts to digital, dimmable ballasts.
burgertime2010
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I know everybody thinks that there is one holy way to treat a plant but my specialty is an OG. I wish I could see that all in person. My shit gets so crowded and I don't defoliate because of how I learned.....instead I have to chop the tops and let the popcorn get hard. What is the most OG-like strain that has potential for massive yeilds like so? This is my situation and I am maxxed out as usual....somethings gotta change. Check out this and tell me what you see(21 days 1000watts)
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burgertime2010
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Is there a way that both methodologies can be correct? Maybe not what you do but how you do it? or vice-versa? There are amazing talents here working, it is obvious....just be receptive...or at least pretend to be. Here look at the above pics and debate the best way to handle them. I will split it down the middle and we can see the results.
growingforfun
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i see a great looking harvest right around the corner. i dont know what the underside of your plants looks like, if they are larffy (not saying they are) trim them up a bit to keep the energy focused up top. if its not too dense under there and has good airflow your golden. id remove any unhealthy leaves from the top of the plant that block light from nodes below it. looking at those pictures it looks to me like the light is getting threw the canopy just fine so you wont benefit from removing anything if it just means light will get to the floor.
i love to grow OG, its a great strain and the nugs like golden golfballs make me happy to see.
it looks to me like your growing several one gallon containers under a screen. thats not really what i mean by large plants, what i mean is plants in 10 gallon or so containers that a single plant will take up a bulb. a large single plant like that needs much more training then several small plants. removing leaves from small plants is counter productive.
good luck cant wait to see your buds in a few weeks
edit: my smallest container is a 10 gal for my plants, except for 3 plants i put in the room along the side in 1-3 gal containers im planning to use compleatly for hash aside from the main colas, those plants have gotten pretty much no leaves removed (leaves make plenty of good hash) and due to there size wouldent benefit from it anyways. my largest container this run is a 25 gallon pot. next run i plan to use at least one 45 gallon container. all my plants are basically root bound at harvest, but not in a bad way, just saying every inch of dirt is used. lots of myco and lots of hydrozyme to keep it going. happy roots = huge buds.
burgertime2010
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The plants are in 3 gallon pots and there is a lot of larf. The tray is 4x4 the net is 5x5. The canopy is really thick.....damage seems inevitable to defoliate to an efficient level. The top of the plants look happy.....I am just hesitant. whatever I choose please dont call me a newbie, god that make me crazy. I use myco and hygrozyme for the same reason. Thanks....I am interested in any info. Keep it up...
MrMeanGreen
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Apply some logic now and again rather than taking everything as law. Explain this sheeple.....
I was losing 2-3 fists full of heathy green leaf every day, and i mean every day. No light was penetrating the lower growth and the leaves were just dropping off, no yellowing and no defs. How many "solar panels" is that in a week I was losing. Since trimming one side of my scrog I have lost maybe 5 or 6 leaves.
There are times and conditions that force rule changes to maximise output. My error was vegging for that extra week, not
I was losing 2-3 fists full of heathy green leaf every day, and i mean every day. No light was penetrating the lower growth and the leaves were just dropping off, no yellowing and no defs. How many "solar panels" is that in a week I was losing. Since trimming one side of my scrog I have lost maybe 5 or 6 leaves.
There are times and conditions that force rule changes to maximise output. My error was vegging for that extra week, not
burgertime2010
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I make mistakes and agree with you about necessary changes. In fact, I make a lot including vegging too long. My pictures suck but the canopy is ridiculously thick at this point....pics are 3-4 days ago. UB says never cut and I do too for the most part I was in agreement only because I got some great tops. I will do whatever is the best solution to remedy my mistakes and get a better yeild. I am looking for the way people would handle this scenario, their reasoning and a compelling dialogue between the experienced. That is my logic anyway.
growingforfun
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burgertime, if i were in your grow room i would take out my prunners and remove every node that does not get light. if the node gets light its fine. i understand removing a growth site is counter to getting more buds, but if the plant is grown in a way that does not allow light to reach deep down you wont have buds deep down. there are ways around that such as adding side lighting, or under lighting.
there is little for you to do this run to change things dramatically. you still have time to remove sucker growth but imo after week 3-4 its not very helpful and i try not to after the first week flower.
next time to do a scrog grow veg it in the screen for longer, not less time. you have done it very similar to some of my first trys with a screen, and your results seem to match it.
heres what you really do to maximize your plants: put the grid over them and bend your plants in half or as close to the ground as you can without hurting the plant, ( i use bamboo grids because they are the best imo), then grow the plant up threw the screen spreading it out as much as possible to fill the screen. trim all branches up the the screen over the next 2-3 weeks, this totally prevents any unproductive nodes, and youll find yourself with 100's of colas. i like my nodes be have grown about 4-6 inches over the screen, and have no growth more then a few inches below it because when it flowers that will turn into being at the minimum a foot thick canopy. the bamboo being very strong holds up every branch and no tying up or additional support is needed, so your actually saving a lot of work by just doing more work upfront, while the plant is much more forgiving.
if you have a clear idea of what you want your plant to look like at the end of flower, all thats left is finding others who have already done it and then copy them exactly. after a time or two you really learn how a plant will respond and what it take for your chosen style. for me i found reducing my numbers from 24 plants (my legal limit) down to 6 plants really improved my quality and my yield did not change, i just got bigger buds
there is little for you to do this run to change things dramatically. you still have time to remove sucker growth but imo after week 3-4 its not very helpful and i try not to after the first week flower.
next time to do a scrog grow veg it in the screen for longer, not less time. you have done it very similar to some of my first trys with a screen, and your results seem to match it.
heres what you really do to maximize your plants: put the grid over them and bend your plants in half or as close to the ground as you can without hurting the plant, ( i use bamboo grids because they are the best imo), then grow the plant up threw the screen spreading it out as much as possible to fill the screen. trim all branches up the the screen over the next 2-3 weeks, this totally prevents any unproductive nodes, and youll find yourself with 100's of colas. i like my nodes be have grown about 4-6 inches over the screen, and have no growth more then a few inches below it because when it flowers that will turn into being at the minimum a foot thick canopy. the bamboo being very strong holds up every branch and no tying up or additional support is needed, so your actually saving a lot of work by just doing more work upfront, while the plant is much more forgiving.
if you have a clear idea of what you want your plant to look like at the end of flower, all thats left is finding others who have already done it and then copy them exactly. after a time or two you really learn how a plant will respond and what it take for your chosen style. for me i found reducing my numbers from 24 plants (my legal limit) down to 6 plants really improved my quality and my yield did not change, i just got bigger buds
NietzscheKeen
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I haven't pruned mine at all, but they are outdoors. I was going to invite you to compare end products and see what conclusions we can reach. I don't think indoor and outdoor would be a relevant comparison though, do you? It would be fun to see the differences between an unpruned plant and a pruned one; at least for me.
woodsmantoker
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Lol, just following Ben. I hear the complaints but question the motive.
Chronic Masterbator
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Yo Kite don't mind him. This is data I did save to my phone. This link has pics of the defoliating technique. Its a good read. Defoiliating in flower is counter productive yes. However if done properly in veg a lil before flipping to flower does in my eye work. I know Nietzchekeen is gonna want facts. Don't worry I got some links for you later buddy. Here the link on the technique used.>>> http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial
silasraven
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when outside i would say yes, provide b1 when you prune and clone and it should bush out. everytime i cut a leaf a cluster of leaves grows from the split. something tells me its related.
skunkd0c
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From my experience vigorous growing plants/strains are not always affected negatively by pruning
their growth rate does not slow down noticeably, and they often grow back with a vengeance
these clones above are around 5 months old, they have been kept while i was having a little break from growing
so that i could start up again more quickly
i continuously chopped them down over 5 months or so, removing leaves and skinny growth to keep them small in my mother area
i also chopped the roots back to stunt them while i was (keeping them on ice) over the 5 months
2 weeks veg and 3 weeks flower (5 weeks total and they have turned into this below
much bigger than i expected, there was no (recovery time) even though i had accounted for some
as they were heavily pruned and moved from the mother area to the flower area so also had disturbed roots
originally there were 4 clones i removed one of them as it was tiny compared to the other 3
the 3 remaining plants should yield over 1lb in this space
peace
their growth rate does not slow down noticeably, and they often grow back with a vengeance
these clones above are around 5 months old, they have been kept while i was having a little break from growing
so that i could start up again more quickly
i continuously chopped them down over 5 months or so, removing leaves and skinny growth to keep them small in my mother area
i also chopped the roots back to stunt them while i was (keeping them on ice) over the 5 months
2 weeks veg and 3 weeks flower (5 weeks total and they have turned into this below
much bigger than i expected, there was no (recovery time) even though i had accounted for some
as they were heavily pruned and moved from the mother area to the flower area so also had disturbed roots
originally there were 4 clones i removed one of them as it was tiny compared to the other 3
the 3 remaining plants should yield over 1lb in this space
peace
woodsmantoker
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I went back to school this year as an old man getting what he always wanted. I'm double majoring in organic chemistry and botany. Ill let you know after, if I learn why I still grow scrog after all the years of experimenting without the "education". MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY
So forgive my "ignorance" folks. If I am willing to spend deing years getting an education I will likely not have time to apply, you likely have the time to prove it for yourself. If not, what's it really mater what anyone else thinks....
So forgive my "ignorance" folks. If I am willing to spend deing years getting an education I will likely not have time to apply, you likely have the time to prove it for yourself. If not, what's it really mater what anyone else thinks....
growingforfun
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Indoors and outdoors are different games with different rules, outside the sun has 2 huge advantages: first it is very bright, like a really more then indoors ever could be, and second the sun moves so the angle of light hitting the plant changes.
Keep in mind we are only talking about either removing growth that gets no light, or removing a FEW large fan leaves to keep others below it (buds or leaves) alive.
Its a basic concept, but some people are absolutists and think that when we talk about removing a few leaves we mean removing every leaf.
Kite High
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plain and simple removing leaves for increased production is impossible...as impossible and trying to teach the truth here is, as everyone rather employ feel good practices and are clueless to botany and horticulture....feel good without me...I am growing stellar cannabis...you all share the rest
growingforfun
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Why do you have to be so hostile bro? You came in and talked trash, the OP's question was solved anyways, and we backed up our reasoning with pictures. Yes you have a good setup, and with lighting in a 360 it gets around the issue. But the OP doesn't grow in your room he grows in his and his question was about how to best use his room and not yours...
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