What do you know about aliens?

[Chronic Masterbator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRvVN39ZwtM&feature=youtube_gdata_player since there are scientific minds on here please explain this time traveler. Why would she be on a cellphone in 1920??

This link also shows two other time travelers on cell phones during the same era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCvKkANPZQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

Basing present truths on future predictions is retarded. What might be, what may be, what could be, is just conjecture. What IS is what matters. The absence of evidence is not evidence, so until you come up with what IS, shut the hell up about it and stop arguing as if what IS is what could be because you don't have any idea what could be, and given my assumption by reading your posts, you never will.

I'm confident in saying the skeptics who have posted in opposition to you all, unanimously agree, there is other intelligent life in the universe. Our skepticism has nothing to do with pride, your belief that it does shows you don't understand our viewpoint and instead argue against one you've assigned to us in your own head. Essentially, you are arguing against yourself, probably because you're unaware and unwilling to examine the reasons.

What I was inferring is ... What if they are already here. Using technology we could only dream of Post#214

 

[tyler.durden]

I looked into it why do you think the price of palladium is on the rise??

You skirted my question then asked one of your own that was way off topic, which is bad forum decorum(tm). If you truly value logic, I think you should familiarize yourself with logical fallacies - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor y:Logical_fallacies
You commit them in almost every post and are not aware of it. They are very easy for anyone to fall into. When I first became familiar with them I was surprised at how many were polluting my thinking process. If you'd like to improve your thinking process, and become better at debate, familiarizing yourself with them is a powerful and easy step...

 

[mindphuk]

It took me a whole of 5 minutes to find that the Apollo 20 mission videos was an admitted hoax. Your science-fu is a fail.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Not science. The person. I think if science was involved with my experiences then they would come to the same conclusion, but I dont see science as the gate keepers of knowledge. Science is great at what it does, Im just saying theres other ways to find out the truth and I believe I've found one of those ways. I didnt find it by some kinda woo woo spiritual methodology, it came to me by complete accident in the form of my gifted friend. I've found out a while ago that though my friend is gifted, hes still a naive kid. His gift opened him up to a new world but theres also bullshit in that world that he thinks is true.

So;

You assume that a more scientific approach would yield you the same results, therefore science is irrelevant.....

LOL

 

[Beefbisquit]

13000 year old satellite dubbed the black knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEuDKzP_MKI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fake.

This video by far will maybe help the naysayers believe. 5000 year old flying craft found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwhVyZxmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fake.

I use a scientific approach when investigating.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

You must of not read post#. 187 I said you would have your own view and are entitled to it. But I also mentioned their is historical proof from silk prints to scrolls depicting UFOs. Why would their be soooo many depictions of this during the course of civilization.
I understand your view point clearly. But your skepticism is so deeply rooted. You will not and won't understand anyone's view but your own. You probably didn't look at the links?? Their have been ufo reports by the thousands all across the world.

At present their is evidence supporting aliens exist. For example the rosewell incident. Remember when the government said it was a weather balloon. The same government that said weed is bad. If you look at the picture of the government officers in front of the wreakage. Thankfully one of em are holding documents that bent over. If you zoom in it clearly states their was alien bodies at the crash site.
Also lots of leaked info on Apollo 20 mission. Feel free to give me some constructive critisim. I also stated why would their be old world depictions all over showing UFOs?? That is the question. Look at Vedic history as well there is multiple accounts of flying cities.
Where these people high on hashish and making random shit up??
There are so many cultures that have had simular events happen that is pretty coincidental wouldnt you think? That is my view and you have yours but mine are based of archeological findings not wishful thinking.

You are the epitome of gullible.

[video=youtube_share;fEkWH8DB7b0]http://youtu.be/fEkWH8DB7b0[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRvVN39ZwtM&feature=youtube_gdata_player since there are scientific minds on here please explain this time traveler. Why would she be on a cellphone in 1920??

This link also shows two other time travelers on cell phones during the same era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCvKkANPZQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

She is touching her ear. Are you really that simple??? Even if she did have a cell phone (WHICH SHE DOESN'T) there were no cell towers, so who the fuck was she talking to?

You seem to believe anything that you see, regardless how far fetched and uncredible it is.

 

[Beefbisquit]

all I had to do is read the first sentence and I knew exactly where this is going and the following would just be a repeat of things I've read a million times before

It seems theres no middle ground to be had because you think that middle ground is dominated by science, which makes it far from the middle... You seriously preach this like a religion and you wonder (and assume) why people dont accept your point of view...

I can pick up my bong, I can smoke it, I can show it to other people, they can smoke it.

In the absolute broadest sense, you can use science to confirm it exists, by proposing a hyposthesis;

"My bong exists"

Then you can perform an experiment and smoke from it, this verifies your results. After verifying it for yourself, it's time to replicate the experiment; so give the bong to your friend and let him/her smoke it. If they can see it, grasp it, and smoke from it; you have replicated your results and have successfully verified that the bong exists.

For 'things that exist' an experiment like this is very doable. Depending on what objects are used, you may need to use different equipment to measure with. You can't very well grasp X-rays, but we certainly do have things to measure X-rays with, that's to say X-rays have a definite measurable interaction with reality.

Until we can see a clear demonstration of the more controversial concepts you and many other people bring to the table, there is ZERO reason to believe they exist. Even if we couldn't measure the reactions, we should at least be able to see some sort of interaction with reality.

That's to say; we might not know how telekinesis works, but we should be able to see it demonstrated. We may not know how astral plane walking works, but people should be able to demonstrate NEW INFORMATION, that is unavailable to the outside world, but they gained while on the astral plane. We might not know how the 6th sense works, but it should be demonstrable under laboratory conditions.

NONE of these, or any other SUPERNATURAL (it is supernatural until it's proven natural) concepts have ever been demonstrated.

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

It took me a whole of 5 minutes to find that the Apollo 20 mission videos was an admitted hoax. Your science-fu is a fail.

A whole 5 minutes lol lemme guess the internet. Where did you find this info verifying its a hoax?? Of all people you should know we need links.

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

Fake.



Fake.



Do not pass go, do not collect $200.



You are the epitome of gullible.

[video=youtube_share;fEkWH8DB7b0]http://youtu.be/fEkWH8DB7b0[/video]



She is touching her ear. Are you really that simple??? Even if she did have a cell phone (WHICH SHE DOESN'T) there were no cell towers, so who the fuck was she talking to?

You seem to believe anything that you see, regardless how far fetched and uncredible it is.

I thought you where one of those guys that need links to verify?? Where are yours??

You posted a link to movie that doesn't relate. Let me say its not a phone. But rather a two way communication device. Also if you look clearly at the other 2 people with "comm" devices you see that one has a key pad.

Why would the knuckles be bent? And why would she talk other hand?? A video of Billy Madison is your poor attempt at being more immature than he is. Instead of saying its fake present facts! Since you like post#218 where is you multi step answer of facts. We know the scientific approach. I also mentioned if they where more intelligent than us. They would have technology that makes our stealth jets look like child's play. Even with thermal imaging its hard to see it.

 

[Chronic Masterbator]

So;

You assume that a more scientific approach would yield you the same results, therefore science is irrelevant.....

LOL

Albert Einstein said that the basis of science was to try understand mystery. Rather than denote someone's thinking process. Provide us facts

 

[Beefbisquit]

Albert Einstein said that the basis of science was to try understand mystery. Rather than denote someone's thinking process. Provide us facts

Facts to what? CWE was making an assumption that he would get the same results with or without using a scientific approach. I was pointing out the flaw in his reasoning.

 

[Beefbisquit]

I thought you where one of those guys that need links to verify?? Where are yours??

You posted a link to movie that doesn't relate. Let me say its not a phone. But rather a two way communication device. Also if you look clearly at the other 2 people with "comm" devices you see that one has a key pad.

Why would the knuckles be bent? And why would she talk other hand?? A video of Billy Madison is your poor attempt at being more immature than he is. Instead of saying its fake present facts! Since you like post#218 where is you multi step answer of facts. We know the scientific approach. I also mentioned if they where more intelligent than us. They would have technology that makes our stealth jets look like child's play. Even with thermal imaging its hard to see it.

I don't need links to verify. I need credible information to exist, in order to verify.

I am very capable of using search engines.

You apparently, are not. So HERE is your link.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRvVN39ZwtM&feature=youtube_gdata_player since there are scientific minds on here please explain this time traveler. Why would she be on a cellphone in 1920??

This link also shows two other time travelers on cell phones during the same era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCvKkANPZQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Oh the old cell phone video. I dont' even have to look at it to know which one you are talking about. I did as much research on it as I could, let me see if I can't remember what I found out. Gimme a sec.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Oh wow look...

Alien Technology
[video=youtube;WwTbUfaPcLo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTbUfaPcLo[/video]

In response too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRvVN39ZwtM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[mindphuk]

A whole 5 minutes lol lemme guess the internet. Where did you find this info verifying its a hoax?? Of all people you should know we need links.

So you don't provide links and evidence when asked but you expect others to? Brilliant. Now in spite of your double standard, I will provide links if you can't find the info but you should have tried to look before you even posted it. As you claim to be able to use the scientific method, I would love to see evidence of that. One of the steps of the method is to look for things that falsify your hypothesis. You should distrust all evidence for extraordinary claims and check to see if alternative hypotheses can be found.

You said, "Also lots of leaked info on Apollo 20 mission. Feel free to give me some constructive critisim."
My constructive criticism is to point out that an alternative hypothesis was found, one that is much more likely than a secret Apollo mission during a time when our only Saturn-V rockets were being used for Skylab. Since I was able to find the information that someone took credit for the hoax in about 5 minutes, I don't think you should have any trouble finding the same information so I purposely did not provide a link. This again is work you should have done before ever bringing up the subject, and the fact that I found it so easily leads me to conclude you didn't even try.

Notice I never said that I verified it was a hoax. 5 minutes isn't enough time to do that but the fact that someone claimed it was a hoax, along with the fact that it was first 'reported' on April 1st, leads me to suspect that the hoax hypothesis is probably likely. As someone that claims to use a "scientific approach when investigating" you should be familiar with Occam's Razor.

 

[mindphuk]

I thought you where one of those guys that need links to verify?? Where are yours??

You posted a link to movie that doesn't relate. Let me say its not a phone. But rather a two way communication device. Also if you look clearly at the other 2 people with "comm" devices you see that one has a key pad.

Why would the knuckles be bent? And why would she talk other hand?? A video of Billy Madison is your poor attempt at being more immature than he is. Instead of saying its fake present facts! Since you like post#218 where is you multi step answer of facts. We know the scientific approach. I also mentioned if they where more intelligent than us. They would have technology that makes our stealth jets look like child's play. Even with thermal imaging its hard to see it.

No, no, no! You are making inference-observation confusion fallacy, otherwise known as jumping to conclusions. You see a person with a hand up to her face and you conclude that it is a cell phone or other advanced communication device, and then go on to infer that it is not only out-of-place technology but is actually a time-traveller. Please quit saying you know and understand the the scientific method. You are making multiple errors that could be corrected using routine critical thinking. If you spent only half the time learning critical thinking skills as you do posting crazy bullshit conspiracy theories, you would be a master.

Many people don't understand that application of critical thinking is not normal as our brains want to make shortcuts. However, the scientific approach is exactly that, rigorous application of reason and elimination of faulty thinking. It is one thing to say that you know and understand how the scientific method works and quite another to demonstrate that you know how to apply it, especially for claims you would like to be true.

Here's some things to help you get started

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[mindphuk]

I don't need links to verify. I need credible information to exist, in order to verify.

I am very capable of using search engines.

You apparently, are not. So HERE is your link.

The first link to Brian Dunning's Skeptoid has a good, interesting commentary about "debunking."

What a great story. The idea of a 13,000-year-old alien satellite orbiting the Earth is about as exciting as it can get. People often accuse me of debunking stories like this, but I don't see it that way at all. I simply want to know more. I want to open the box wider and learn what's really going on. I don't want to stop here and say "That sounds weird"; I want to learn the solution to the mystery. To those of you who dismiss this as debunking, I really have to say I don't understand why learning the whole story is seen as a negative process. I'm excited by it, and I was excited to learn what's behind the Black Knight satellite. Here's what I found.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

You still haven't demonstrated why science is not the best tool for discovering objective reality, are you not going to do that?

Not the only tool* I didnt use a tool to discover reality, just coincidence and experience, which I know is hardly a good explanation since theres people who claim to have experienced big foot, Jesus, and a million other things that are bullshit, I know you only have my word when I say Im one of the exceptions but it is what it is. Sometimes people really do experience what they say to experience, like seeing alien space ships and shit lol tryin to keep this thread on track. I understand your skepticism for everything else but its really comical that skeptics deny the existence of aliens on earth lol.... Weather balloons... tehe.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The only evidence you have aliens have visited Earth are subjective testimonies, which we know we can't trust, and the idea that an alien race could be millions of years more advanced than us, so their technology would be able to get here, which I'm sure is a logical fallacy, you are essentially appealing to potential future technologies.

What about the issue with odds that mindphuk posited a few pages back? Even if an alien race were millions of years more advanced, the universe is simply too big to check every star system and even if they checked a new star every day, every hour even, it STILL wouldn't be enough to check everywhere, even if there were millions of races of intelligent aliens all searching for advanced life simultaneously. Look up the Drake equation

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

The only evidence you have aliens have visited Earth are subjective testimonies, which we know we can't trust, and the idea that an alien race could be millions of years more advanced than us, so their technology would be able to get here, which I'm sure is a logical fallacy, you are essentially appealing to potential future technologies.

What about the issue with odds that mindphuk posited a few pages back? Even if an alien race were millions of years more advanced, the universe is simply too big to check every star system and even if they checked a new star every day, every hour even, it STILL wouldn't be enough to check everywhere, even if there were millions of races of intelligent aliens all searching for advanced life simultaneously. Look up the Drake equation

I think those are assumptions that are just as valid as any. Perhaps they are also spiritually advanced beings completely connected to the universe thus knowing whos worth visiting and they can get there in an instant. Mainstream science has a blank slate when it comes to the knowledge about aliens so I see the arguments against them as logical speculation at best. And if the government is covering up aliens, what evidence would there be? This all started at Roswell and I think the weather balloon explanation is completely ridiculous no matter what "fallible mind" argument you present.