income tax

[tckfui]

so, where is all of our income tax going? is it really paying for what the government wants us to think it is? not according to the 1984 Grace commision report. Grace Commission Report (PPSS)

this is a direct quote from the report that was written for Ronald Regan,
With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.

so there we have it, the government admits to waisting 100% of your income tax! why aren't people aware of this? I have no fucking idea.

alot of people argue that, that was in 1984 and that it has probably changed since then, wouldnt the government be screaming this from the whitehouse rooftop if it were true? wouldn't they use that as a "trump card"?

whats going on here? are we really this dumb and gullible? or do we just not want to believe?

 

[ZenMaster]

Its not surprising, thats all. The taxes that directly affect you are simply the local taxes that deal with road construction, state wages, park services, ect. The income tax goes directly to the federal government, what did you expect them to do with that money? It goes into paying debt or building B-2s or something of the sort.

 

[tckfui]

I expected them to waist it but it seems most people say look what your tax dollars are going to ie war, educating illegal immigrants and and that other god stuff people like to think their paying for. and lots of people say I'm a taxpayer like that proves somthing or that their good people. if you ask me their dumb people giving money away that they dont have to!!!

 

[Biggravy22]

Yep it goes to paying the debts down to the central banks. Ie. the Federal reserve, which is a privately run company. Only immigrants and offshore business owners are to pay income taxes. Taxation on american citizens is unconstitutional. But these days that means squat.

 

[tckfui]

I know all of that, I chose not to go that deep, and there is a way to get away without paying income tax unfortunatly its too late for most people on this site
I think people need to see for themselves that their money is being thrown away, because before when I told them with nothing backing me obody believed me
but I think realizing that is one of the first steps to tax freedom, but alot of people dissagre with me

 

[joepro]

You think the fathers knew that we would one day become everything they were against?...
Having to look one of the fathers in the eyes and explain myself,let alone my maker: What a shameful, dreadful thought.

 

[medicineman]

Pay up so us anti-libertarians can collect all our welfare,HAHAHEHEHOHO~LOL~. Take that VTX. Libertarians suck.

 

[ViRedd]

Pay up so us anti-libertarians can collect all our welfare,HAHAHEHEHOHO~LOL~. Take that VTX. Libertarians suck.

Med, Your brilliant insights, astounding prose, political acumen and your all around affability are just simply amazing.

Vi

 

[medicineman]

Med, Your brilliant insights, astounding prose, political acumen and your all around affability are just simply amazing.

Vi

Why thank you Vimonster. Your complete lack of humanity astounds me also.

 

[ViRedd]

Most of you who post here have never sent a check into the IRS at tax time. That's because you have your taxes automatically deducted from each paycheck ... and most of you pay in more than you owe, so you get a refund, right? Well, those of us who are independent contractors send our own taxes in via personal checks. If you were to check the returned check and look on the back, you'd see that the check is cancelled, not by the Treasury Department, but by the Federal Reserve Bank.


The IRS is nothing more than the collection department for the Federal Reserve Bank.
The income tax goes to pay the interest on the national debt. It is not happenstance that the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the same year ... 1913.

Americans need to wake up to the fact that we have a socialized monetary system. Money is in the control of the government. That is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. In a truly free society, the citizens have control of the money through a private banking system and money backed by precious metals.

The road back to liberty in this country is to take back the control of money and put it into private hands.

Here's an excellent read. The Author is Alan Greenspan, circa 1966.

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/greenspan.html

Vi

 

[joepro]

Most of you who post here have never sent a check into the IRS at tax time. That's because you have your taxes automatically deducted from each paycheck ... and most of you pay in more than you owe, so you get a refund, right? Well, those of us who are independent contractors send our own taxes in via personal checks. If you were to check the returned check and look on the back, you'd see that the check is cancelled, not by the Treasury Department, but by the Federal Reserve Bank.


The IRS is nothing more than the collection department for the Federal Reserve Bank.
The income tax goes to pay the interest on the national debt. It is not happenstance that the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the same year ... 1913.

Americans need to wake up to the fact that we have a socialized monetary system. Money is in the control of the government. That is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. In a truly free society, the citizens have control of the money through a private banking system and money backed by precious metals.

The road back to liberty in this country is to take back the control of money and put it into private hands.

Here's an excellent read. The Author is Alan Greenspan, circa 1966.

Alan Greenspan - Gold and Economic Freedom

Vi

two things come to mind.
1)ww2 the germans counterfeited the pond,had this gone as planned.....
2)riot!! bomb it!!(thats my answer for alomst all government problems)

 

[undertheice]

the government admits to waisting 100% of your income tax!

it would take the income tax of a hundred blue collar workers to pay the salary of that greasy little man who sits in the bowels of the doj and pores over my dossier toward no particular end. the amount of munitions merely purchased and decommissioned would easily exhaust the tax revenue generated by any major metropolitan area. the salaries paid to politicians and their entourages to sit on their hands and watch internet porn would quickly bankrupt most states' economies. the federal government is a bloated behemoth and our most dangerous enemy. we only put up with it through fear and the inability to figure out what else we could do.

 

[We TaRdED]

the federal government is a bloated behemoth and our most dangerous enemy. we only put up with it through fear and the inability to figure out what else we could do.

Yep


A lot of people are too scared to lose all that they have worked for. Too bad, everyone couldn't come together and not pay taxes. We need a peoples union against the gov't. The peoples union would have people that actually represent us(the people), and not big business(corporations) and the USA corporation, I mean USA gov't.

My motto is "Fock income tax"! Let the gov't print their own money and pay their selves. They tax us on practically every purchase anyways. Why should we have to pay a tax on our labor?

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[We TaRdED]

You guys should watch this America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version if you want to learn about income tax. Really good watch, I should probably watch it again

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[tckfui]

cool, going to watch that tonight.
I was trying to get the people who don't know this to learn somthing not the people who know it learn more, but the more you learn the more of a tripple OG you are

 

[GrowRebel]

Most of you who post here have never sent a check into the IRS at tax time. That's because you have your taxes automatically deducted from each paycheck ... and most of you pay in more than you owe, so you get a refund, right? Well, those of us who are independent contractors send our own taxes in via personal checks. If you were to check the returned check and look on the back, you'd see that the check is cancelled, not by the Treasury Department, but by the Federal Reserve Bank.


The IRS is nothing more than the collection department for the Federal Reserve Bank.
The income tax goes to pay the interest on the national debt. It is not happenstance that the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the same year ... 1913.

Americans need to wake up to the fact that we have a socialized monetary system. Money is in the control of the government. That is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. In a truly free society, the citizens have control of the money through a private banking system and money backed by precious metals.

The road back to liberty in this country is to take back the control of money and put it into private hands.

Here's an excellent read. The Author is Alan Greenspan, circa 1966.

Alan Greenspan - Gold and Economic Freedom

Vi

This is one of the few issues we can agree on ... there is no law that says we must pay federal taxes ...

 

[ViRedd]

This is one of the few issues we can agree on ... there is no law that says we must pay federal taxes ...

Nope, there is only the Jack Boots of the IRS thugs to keep you in fear of your own government. Now go free yourself and vote for O'Bama.

Vi

 

[undertheice]

there is no law that says we must pay federal taxes ...

Nope, there is only the Jack Boots of the IRS thugs to keep you in fear of your own government. Now go free yourself and vote for O'Bama.

you frightened me for a moment there vi.

let's not forget that the irs is backed by the full weight of the government and, should we need a reminder, we need only look to viet nam or afghanistan or iraq to see what a mess they can make of things. though for every citizen the government's collection agency stakes out for the vultures there are a hundred who live peacefully under their radar, the majority traipse blithely along under the slavery of the state's "tax as thou wilt" attitude. the law is enforced however they determine it should be interpreted and the will of the people has little or nothing to do with the matter.

the shell game is complete. we are misdirected by a thousand small movements in the foreground while, behind the actors, the chains are secured. we are given scenes of starving children and told that we must feed them. we are shown the sick and dying and convinced that we must heal them. we are faced with a scarred landscape and persuaded that we must sacrifice to assure the survival of our planet. the we, of course, can't include those with any true power, only those over whom they have gained control. should the powerful, for a moment, have to bear some small cost, that price is so easily handed down to those who's self-determination the powerful have usurped. for each new sin our pockets are picked and the state's coffers grow fatter while our dinner grows more meager. slavery need not be a physical action or a social phenomenon, its basis is found in economic bondage. the true slave owns less and less until he doesn't even own himself.

of course we are given a scapegoat from time to time. the criminal rich or the idle poor, the communist and the anarchist, the religious right then the secular left, the smokers, the drinkers, the fornicators and the fooles. each in turn are pilloried for the edification of the masses. of course we are kept amused. the trickle of valid information in the nightly news is followed by the antics of will and grace, the latest give-aways to prove you can get something for nothing and the most recent slices of some false reality. we are regaled at every turn with the wisdom of our beneficent leader. the fathers and mothers we employ to conduct us toward our destiny, but who are more interested in retarding our development and maintaining us in our perpetual childhood.

the citizenry is lulled into believing that they have some control over the bureaucracy that enslaves them. "but, the law will keep us safe from such tyranny" they cry, as their elected representatives and appointed judges decide for themselves how best to ladle out those few freedoms they decide we should keep. charlatans label themselves to please the masses and gain access to the halls of power, then don the robes of caesar and rule as petty gods. they quash all hope of revolution, branding any participants as enemies and traitors, then calm the roiled population with platitudes and the promise of some future immediate gratification (no, the paradox is not unintentional).

so, is it all some grand conspiracy? doubtful; when the very nature of power is to exceed its own scope, conspiracy is unnecessary. our preoccupation with the means to power only further ensures our slavery and our divisions over which lie best suits our immediate need are the nails that seal the coffin. we squabble over the leavings of power, managing to rescue a cheeseburger with fries and deluding ourselves into imagining that we have "gotten it our way". if you want freedom you must fight for it. your weapons are puny compared to the enemy's so you must starve him out, withholding from him the means to enslave you.


the preceding was brought to you by those who are, most likely, soon to be "detained for questioning". we now return you to your regularly scheduled programing. i think it's the lost episodes of CHiPs.

 

[medicineman]

Money is in the control of the government. That is anti-liberty and anti-freedom. In a truly free society, the citizens have control of the money through a private banking system and money backed by precious metals.

Isn't it you that said money should be printed and controlled by the government, not the Federal reserve (A private banking organization)? If you look at your statement, it is an oxymoron as the money is already controlled by private bankers, and we can see what a wonderful job they have done. Raping the American taxpayer with interest that should actually be going to pay for government programs. Make up your "mind". Seems to me that the private system has bankrupted the country.

 

[We TaRdED]

you frightened me for a moment there vi.

let's not forget that the irs is backed by the full weight of the government and, should we need a reminder, we need only look to viet nam or afghanistan or iraq to see what a mess they can make of things. though for every citizen the government's collection agency stakes out for the vultures there are a hundred who live peacefully under their radar, the majority traipse blithely along under the slavery of the state's "tax as thou wilt" attitude. the law is enforced however they determine it should be interpreted and the will of the people has little or nothing to do with the matter.

the shell game is complete. we are misdirected by a thousand small movements in the foreground while, behind the actors, the chains are secured. we are given scenes of starving children and told that we must feed them. we are shown the sick and dying and convinced that we must heal them. we are faced with a scarred landscape and persuaded that we must sacrifice to assure the survival of our planet. the we, of course, can't include those with any true power, only those over whom they have gained control. should the powerful, for a moment, have to bear some small cost, that price is so easily handed down to those who's self-determination the powerful have usurped. for each new sin our pockets are picked and the state's coffers grow fatter while our dinner grows more meager. slavery need not be a physical action or a social phenomenon, its basis is found in economic bondage. the true slave owns less and less until he doesn't even own himself.

of course we are given a scapegoat from time to time. the criminal rich or the idle poor, the communist and the anarchist, the religious right then the secular left, the smokers, the drinkers, the fornicators and the fooles. each in turn are pilloried for the edification of the masses. of course we are kept amused. the trickle of valid information in the nightly news is followed by the antics of will and grace, the latest give-aways to prove you can get something for nothing and the most recent slices of some false reality. we are regaled at every turn with the wisdom of our beneficent leader. the fathers and mothers we employ to conduct us toward our destiny, but who are more interested in retarding our development and maintaining us in our perpetual childhood.

the citizenry is lulled into believing that they have some control over the bureaucracy that enslaves them. "but, the law will keep us safe from such tyranny" they cry, as their elected representatives and appointed judges decide for themselves how best to ladle out those few freedoms they decide we should keep. charlatans label themselves to please the masses and gain access to the halls of power, then don the robes of caesar and rule as petty gods. they quash all hope of revolution, branding any participants as enemies and traitors, then calm the roiled population with platitudes and the promise of some future immediate gratification (no, the paradox is not unintentional).

so, is it all some grand conspiracy? doubtful; when the very nature of power is to exceed its own scope, conspiracy is unnecessary. our preoccupation with the means to power only further ensures our slavery and our divisions over which lie best suits our immediate need are the nails that seal the coffin. we squabble over the leavings of power, managing to rescue a cheeseburger with fries and deluding ourselves into imagining that we have "gotten it our way". if you want freedom you must fight for it. your weapons are puny compared to the enemy's so you must starve him out, withholding from him the means to enslave you.


the preceding was brought to you by those who are, most likely, soon to be "detained for questioning". we now return you to your regularly scheduled programing. i think it's the lost episodes of CHiPs.

HAHAHA I love the last part with the small print HAHAHA

Sheer eloquence.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~