Feed back please ....New tent choices

[justugh]

hello


long story short my crazy ass pulled it off ..........i made something fairly nice impressed a person and they kicked me a good bit of cash so i will always give them something at 300 a oz (my area these strains good deal best around here cali ppl would call middies)

ok down to work ............i have a tent currently pice o crap but it will function well for a veggie tent and some t5s

upgrading to a Secret Jardin DarkRoom II Pro 120 - 48 x 48 x 80 Inches for a flower tent (108 cf)
1) now should i go for the overpower of a 600w or should i pick 400w........is it best to mount this in the tent or outside

2) if i pick a closed tubed (cool tube with hood) i can just run that strait side to side .....is a 240 cfm good or should i pick a 400 cfm

3) with the cooltube runing air outside the tent and me using a scubber on the other high outlet port should i hook both lines together with a y vent then vent out of the area..........or just vent the scubber air out (tent is in have sunken basement centeral ac 25x15x8 feet temps avg summer hight 76 low 68 winter time 60 high 40 low )

4 digital balest ......apollo or ipower i have not done reserach on them if u know something please share i make the buy in about 5 to 7 days

5 if there is something i am over looking please tell me


thanks for the time to read and give feed back ...........the one thing i do ask is please give good feed back do not be a jackass trying to wreck/make spend more money on their grow becuase u are having a bad day

 

[MrMeanGreen]

My advice to anyone buying new equipment is go for overkill with control. Right now you might only want a 600 light, one day soon you will want a 1000. Get a digitial dimable 1000 and then you have the best of both worlds. I have a shed full of redundant under powered cheap hydro shit worth well over £1500 doing nothing, A waste of money. If you need an extractor, get a 720cfm branded with a controller or you will end up with a fan that sounds ike a bus and ya granny will have more sucking power. I know they come at a price but they will be working for you until they blow.

Haveyou tried a straight through extraction on your light. This is much more efficient at removing the heat from the bulb as there is no resistance from the scrubber. Then runa second fan direct from your scrubber and out. If space is an issue, mount your fans and ballast outside. IMHO contol is key, the more control you have over the enironment the better the outcome. Everything above is all well and good so long as you can afford it. If you can't afford it, ya gonna have to go cheap and just deal with the heat and humidity problems if and when they arise. Try not to vent into space around your tent unless it is very well ventilated, the outside space will get hotter and hotter as will you temps in the tent. Try to vent hot air completely away from your tent area. The clean straight through air can got back into your house, save a bit of money on heating.

Not knocking ya but why ask for feedback if you ony want good feedback, that's what mums are for, unconditional love with praise and kindness.

 

[justugh]

Not knocking ya but why ask for feedback if you ony want good feedback, that's what mums are for, unconditional love with praise and kindness.

have u ever worked at a little shop/gas station and done the late night shift 10 pm to 6 am or 2200 to 0600 ( if u have not here is a shocker) u are bored out of your mind have nothing to do someone comes in and acts like a butt head and then askes u for directions ...........he is not getting to where he wants to go by the time u go the way the person tells u too u end up in some god awlful back road with no name and u hear sheep cring out in the night ....................and sometimes the guy there is just bored out of skull u come in and thinks it is funny to do it (by the time u get back they will be off duty and gone) ................. ingeneral i except the worst this way i am never disapointed and always happly surprized .......by telling ppl to be nice it already tips off the ones that feel like being jack asses the game will not get far so skip to a easier mark

second my mum is dead 10 years as of yeasterday ..........all good if i could talk to her i be a rich bitch sell contact to the other side to billioniares ( and i would insult them and call them names half the time )

 

[MrMeanGreen]

have u ever worked at a little shop/gas station and done the late night shift 10 pm to 6 am or 2200 to 0600 ( if u have not here is a shocker) u are bored out of your mind have nothing to do someone comes in and acts like a butt head and then askes u for directions ...........he is not getting to where he wants to go by the time u go the way the person tells u too u end up in some god awlful back road with no name and u hear sheep cring out in the night ....................and sometimes the guy there is just bored out of skull u come in and thinks it is funny to do it (by the time u get back they will be off duty and gone) ................. ingeneral i except the worst this way i am never disapointed and always happly surprized .......by telling ppl to be nice it already tips off the ones that feel like being jack asses the game will not get far so skip to a easier mark

second my mum is dead 10 years as of yeasterday ..........all good if i could talk to her i be a rich bitch sell contact to the other side to billioniares ( and i would insult them and call them names half the time )

OK... sorry I asked. GONE.

 

[mr sunshine]

lmao fucka 600 i say thou wow.....

 

[Becorath]

Well, This thread derailed very quickly...

1) I think the 600w will do fine. I have a 400w in a tent the same size, and I think I could easily add more light.

2&3) I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. But most ppl attach their exhaust like this...

4) I dont remember where I heard this, but I believe they are the same thing. I could be wrong though. I use magnetic ballasts. :-/ And there are much better brands of ballasts out there to choose from. If you are looking for something that will last years, I'd read around the forums. Plenty info out there.
5)You can never have enough information. also... Growing medium, containers, Nutrients, pH pen, etc if using hydro. Read read read!

 

[justugh]

alll good man it was 10 years ago ....but it answered your ?

ok the venting
this is what i mean i can hook the cool tube up so it pulls outside air in tho it to cool it off then the scruber can be on the port next to the tube and i connect it to a Y spilter and then vent both of them out one ducting to outside ............or i can have the cool tube use outside air and then dump that air back in the room and the srubber is the only one venting to the outside

i am going auto plant soil .......i worked those varibles out i should be covered

1 vote for massive over kill 1000watter
1 vote for the 600 watt but a 400 watter will be good too


will a 240 cfm fan strong enough to keep the tube cool or should i look at a 400 cfm .....if i double vent should i look into a 720cfm ..........the tent is only 108 cf

 

[Becorath]

Just use either a passive intake, and use the setup I so expertly drew up for ya. Or have a smaller fan bring the air in, and a larger fan to evacuate the air.

As far as the 400w in the 4x4 tent goes, I would recommend going bigger. 600w from what I remember is arguably the most efficient hps light. 400w works for my setup, When it comes time to replace the lamp, I will likely purchase a 600w and get a mh conversion bulb to move the 400w into my veg tent (CFLs in there now)


And the problem with your diagram of the venting, is that the air, just like everything else in nature, desires to take the least difficult path. The fan has to pull air through the scrubber. If the fan is able to pull all the air through the cooltube, your scrubber will be useless. imaging having a straw shaped like a Y. One end in your mouth, one in the beverage, one just in outside air. now suck on the straw, just air! This will be the same with the scrubber. You can do this with 2 fans if you like. and use a small inline fan to cool the light. and a stronger fan for the scrubber.

My 2c

 

[justugh]

i thought about this ...........the venting i have set it up with a cover system and a extra cfm combine that with damper and the scubber is one of those 12 in long models (i am very proud of this i did alot of work on picking this the maker has set it up to work in a 6x6 system his test was with a 170 4 inch the design clears the room in under a min the lose in power do to sucking is minial ) and the best part it is refillable dump it out in 12 months and refill with fresh active carbon just have to replace the dust screen every 2 months

i am going passive drawl this time to help keep engery cost to something under the radar ...................ok then it is defeinly the 600w

do u ahve a veiw on auto flower and HPS or MH bulbs..................i plan to use the amazon choice and they can use both bulbs..............and should i mount the amp/controller in the tent or should i do this outside

 

[MrMeanGreen]

alll good man it was 10 years ago ....but it answered your ?

ok the venting
View attachment 2722105this is what i mean i can hook the cool tube up so it pulls outside air in tho it to cool it off then the scruber can be on the port next to the tube and i connect it to a Y spilter and then vent both of them out one ducting to outside ............or i can have the cool tube use outside air and then dump that air back in the room and the srubber is the only one venting to the outside

i am going auto plant soil .......i worked those varibles out i should be covered

1 vote for massive over kill 1000watter
1 vote for the 600 watt but a 400 watter will be good too


will a 240 cfm fan strong enough to keep the tube cool or should i look at a 400 cfm .....if i double vent should i look into a 720cfm ..........the tent is only 108 cf

Use the strongest fan you can get your hands on for the straight through part of your rig, this is the main method of keeping your tent cool. During the hotter months, a small fan will fail you. The fan on ya scrubber can be alot less as this is mainly to keep negative pressure in your tent (keep smells in) and bring new air in. Put your scrubber up high and passive inlet down low.

Remeber that your fan cfm cannot excede your filter cfm, if it does you will pull more air over your filter than it can scrub and therefore spit out dirty air. They might cost me £180 a time but I always get 1000+ cfm and never had a problem and I leave my filter fans running 24/7.

 

[justugh]

Use the strongest fan you can get your hands on for the straight through part of your rig, this is the main method of keeping your tent cool. During the hotter months, a small fan will fail you. The fan on ya scrubber can be alot less as this is mainly to keep negative pressure in your tent (keep smells in) and bring new air in. Put your scrubber up high and passive inlet down low.

Remeber that your fan cfm cannot excede your filter cfm, if it does you will pull more air over your filter than it can scrub and therefore spit out dirty air. They might cost me £180 a time but I always get 1000+ cfm and never had a problem and I leave my filter fans running 24/7.

ok so the new set up ............passive air (good screen on the flaps i am happy with it)...............600 watt cool tube(that is 50 % more power then needed) running with a 400 cfm......... filter running with a 240 cfm fan ....feed into a 4 inch ducting with a 80cfm booster and the boosting power of the fan the exit is mounted too

the cool tube is running outside air tho the scruuber is grabing the stale warm air from in the tent they all combine and exit the same line

if this sounds right i will go off this then next upgrade go co2

 

[greenlikemoney]

my advice: 600W....passive air intake thru bottom rectangular tent flaps. Inside the tent, linked in order are: Scrubber, section of vent hose, cool tube, section of vent hose running out of tent connecting to inline fan, vent hose running to outside/attic/etc etc........easy set up.......clip fans on tent corner poles assisting with air intake/plant breeze/air movement in tent. Simplify.

 

[MrMeanGreen]

All the options you have been given so far are viable and will work but what I will say is if you want that control during the hotter months, run 2 fans as I described. You don't want to be reconfiguring your exhausts mid flower coz your overhetating.. If you are going to use a y connector to join your 2 runs of ducting make sure it is an ofset Y and not an equal Y. The equal Y pushes air down opposing inlets massively reducing the efficiency. (hard to explain, trust me)

An equal Y is all 3 arms of the Y are at the same angle. An offset Y has 1 shallow angle with 2 larger.... clear as mud.