nwgt has some good info,im also a member there. Red is a good dude, he offered to replaces everything i had trouble with, while CV wouldnt even answer a pm or go to my journal to comment, CV just after the cash, if your on ic, you will see he doesnt ever show up to give love to his customers or even comment on anything.. Also i believe CV is working with Red's genitcis, i dont think its the other way around. The Chem Bx came from red,blackberry, is red and a few others.Most of the clones were from red when he joined the CV team, Red told me he left because dude didnt reimburse him anything for all his work and cuts he brought along, also Red didnt wanna be involved in non tested bs and didnt like the way CV was handling things. To be honest its more on how CV run his bussines and his bussiness practices that pisses me off the most, i know most seeds are a crap shoot, especially since they were untested, and thats fine and i had fair warning. What i dont like is you send dude a pm and 3months later no answer back, doesnt log in, except to say a new drop, he literally logged in to ic 3 times since march. I didnt like how he tried to dodge the bullet, just step up and say sorry they didnt work out, how about a replace them for you or not even that just show up and say something shit, just dont delete the threads. I know there is some gold to be found because ive seen it, but its few and far between. good luck, and keep us posted on how they turn out. thanks alot