DMT... aliens or god? What is the 'presence'

ineverveg

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Even if someone came into the thread (I think someone has already) and told you that they've used DMT and have experienced nothing like what you claim, you would just brush them off and wait for someone like Kervork to come along to confirm your bias. That is what you want, you're not actually asking for honest opinions about it, you're asking for people to confirm yours.
who was it? thats an unfounded claim my friend, and if you could have found a quote to back you up im positive you would have, have a shot by all means!!
I taken it. Yup, drugs. Not magic.
Did i question the above or call him a liar?, no, have a look!
dude, dmt has nothing to do with god or aliens, its just a really strong tryptamine/psychadelic, thats all, there is no presense, blasting off is nothing but your brain receiving a HUGE dose of a very strong chemical. its like lsd or anything else....no god. no alien creatures...it seems like your fishing, good luck
and check out my signature lol,
I don't know. I really love this topic and reading about peoples ideas beliefs and theories... but I just don't have any clue what it all is. And the more that I do DMT, I just get more questions.


You don't have to have taken DMT to understand it or be qualified to talk about it

and similarly, as you illustrate, just because you may have taken DMT doesn't make you some kind of an expert
YES YOU DO ,AND NO IT DOESN'T ,BUT IT GIVES ME A BETTER INSIGHT THAN YOU OF THE SUBJECT IN HAND.

Maybe I'm hardcore or retarded..I've smoked bonghits of dmt..just colors..probably for the best..if I see aliens or gods in my living room,there will probably be holes in the walls the next morning...so if you smoke dmt at area 51 will you see people?
again i never questioned the above post!

Only smoke deems a few times but I don't find it to even be as potent as say 1000 mics of good L. I've discussed it with a bunch of people and most of the really hardcore acid heads I know feel the same way.
again i never questioned the above post!



thats a few times more than most commenting on this thread lol,thankyou for a genuine resonse, i used to love acid ,not sure on mics but we got many different kinds on blotting paper, key wings were my favourite!
I've eaten 15-20g of mushrooms before and thought I was in an oil painting. It looked like I was in a painting, and I've heard other people say they've had similar experiences; does that mean the world is really a giant oil painting? No! It's just a fucking drug FFS.
AGAIN YOU LINK SIMILARITIES WITH MUSHROOMS,YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE BOY,YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY WELL VERSED WITH OTHER PSYCADELICS BUT JUST NOT THE ONE WE ARE DISSCUSSING HERE! YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH !
 

ineverveg

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staying up on meth = sleep deprivation.. That sounds more like drug induced psychosis/sleep deprivation.. Obviously nothing but your imagination playing tricks because your brain and body are so tired.

Dmt cannot be compared to this at all, its pretty redundant. Have you smoked dmt?
he hasn't! thats why he avoids the question below

would dmt not b a drug induced psychcosis....or do actually think its linking u to another realm?.....ha....wow
how can you speculate anyways?

dmt is chemically induced psychosis
try it then, ill send you some lol
 

ineverveg

Active Member
I FIRST POSTED ABOUT MY FEELINGS ON DMT AND ALIENS ON THIS THREAD, https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/656564-what-do-you-know-about-46.html#post9308796, I SOON REALIZED THAT THREAD WAS FULL OF HATERS WHOM NEVER HAD DMT EXPERIENCES TROLLING AROUND ALIEN THREADS DEBUNKING AND SHIT.
SO I STARTED THIS THREAD ABOUT DMT AND PEOPLES OPINIONS OF DMT AND WHAT THE PRESENCE WAS, BUT THE TROLLS WHOM HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH DMT FOLLOWED OVER TO THIS THREAD AND STILL FEEL THEY CAN HAVE OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT, ITS LIKE WTF DUDES, BOW OUT OF THIS THREAD ,JUST AS I HAVE DONE WITH THE ALIEN THREAD BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE OTHER THAN THAT WHICH I SAID IN THAT THREAD,MAINLY ABOUT MY BELIEF THAT DMT IS AN ALIEN MOLECULE WITH ALIEN PRESENCES AND SHIT.SO I STARTED THIS LIKE I SAID AND YOUR STILL HERE!!!

 

Kervork

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Yes, but you posed your question slightly wrong so dumb and dumber jumped all over the topic to show how smart they were. You should have said "Are DMT entities, Aliens, Gods or something else." You see, dumb and dumber have a fairly narrow world view, and the idea that DMT entities might come from anywhere other than your brain is very disturbing to their world view since they would be unable to explain it. In the indigenous cultures it is pretty much accepted that the entities are external and there to provide assistance. If you were to suggest to them that the Heroku where in their head, it would be taken just as poorly as suggesting they are aliens here. It's a cultural thing. Interestingly, the shamans of the tribes who use the snuff or drink, when asked how the discovered the plant explain that it is done by listening to each plants song. Under the influence, they can hear the plants sing. This of course would be considered absurd in our culture, plants don't sing right? In their culture however it is a widely known fact and it appears indeed to lead them to plants containing DMT. In their reality, plants sing and they have the proof boiling in a pot.

Every culture has it's own cosmology. And each culture considers theirs to be correct. Most likely, none of them are completely correct. Our senses are tuned to a very small portion of what is out there. The only thing we know for sure is that we are not seeing much of reality. When someone has a mindset that their senses show them a true picture of everything that is, they are traveling down the road to delusion. I won't be one to argue with your experience or deny it. You experienced it, therefore it is real. Is your experience a more accurate or less accurate view of the underlying reality, I have no way of knowing. Are the entities internal or external or something totally different? We don't have the tools or knowledge to know for sure.

What is important is what you get from these entities. If viewing them as external aliens gives you benefit then let them be aliens. If you see them as some part of yourself mirrored back and that helps, that's fine too. There is no need to apply logic or reason to the experience, the experience is what it is. The only thing in the end which is real is what you take from the experience and how you incorporate that into the non DMT world.

When you deny the validity of something, you loose all opportunity to learn from and about it. This is why an anthropologist doesn't say, no, those are just hallucinations you get when you drink that shit. To do so would totally destroy any chance of learning about the subjects world view and perhaps something about your own. When you dig into other realities, you learn there are holes in your own. You find that the plants do sing, even though you can't hear them.
 

Beefbisquit

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Yes, but you posed your question slightly wrong so dumb and dumber jumped all over the topic to show how smart they were. You should have said "Are DMT entities, Aliens, Gods or something else." You see, dumb and dumber have a fairly narrow world view, and the idea that DMT entities might come from anywhere other than your brain is very disturbing to their world view since they would be unable to explain it. In the indigenous cultures it is pretty much accepted that the entities are external and there to provide assistance. If you were to suggest to them that the Heroku where in their head, it would be taken just as poorly as suggesting they are aliens here. It's a cultural thing. Interestingly, the shamans of the tribes who use the snuff or drink, when asked how the discovered the plant explain that it is done by listening to each plants song. Under the influence, they can hear the plants sing. This of course would be considered absurd in our culture, plants don't sing right? In their culture however it is a widely known fact and it appears indeed to lead them to plants containing DMT. In their reality, plants sing and they have the proof boiling in a pot.

Every culture has it's own cosmology. And each culture considers theirs to be correct. Most likely, none of them are completely correct. Our senses are tuned to a very small portion of what is out there. The only thing we know for sure is that we are not seeing much of reality. When someone has a mindset that their senses show them a true picture of everything that is, they are traveling down the road to delusion. I won't be one to argue with your experience or deny it. You experienced it, therefore it is real. Is your experience a more accurate or less accurate view of the underlying reality, I have no way of knowing. Are the entities internal or external or something totally different? We don't have the tools or knowledge to know for sure.

What is important is what you get from these entities. If viewing them as external aliens gives you benefit then let them be aliens. If you see them as some part of yourself mirrored back and that helps, that's fine too. There is no need to apply logic or reason to the experience, the experience is what it is. The only thing in the end which is real is what you take from the experience and how you incorporate that into the non DMT world.

When you deny the validity of something, you loose all opportunity to learn from and about it. This is why an anthropologist doesn't say, no, those are just hallucinations you get when you drink that shit. To do so would totally destroy any chance of learning about the subjects world view and perhaps something about your own. When you dig into other realities, you learn there are holes in your own. You find that the plants do sing, even though you can't hear them.

If by 'fairly narrow minded', you mean 'hold beliefs based upon reality', I agree.

When you think about everything, fact or fiction, that exists; reality is fairly narrow in comparison. I'm sorry you continually need to embark on 'magical thinking circle jerks' for... whatever reason it is that makes you feel the need to do so. I'm beyond giving a shit about you, or your inane attacks.

I guarantee the cultures that use science as a basis for their cosmology are more correct than the ones that don't. I also guarantee that the cultures that use science to study DMT are closer in explaining the reality of the experience, than the ones who don't.

Sociology and Anthropology aren't sciences. They conform to some of the scientific method. I have a minor is sociology; wanna talk about something fucking useless? There's a minor/major that's fucking useless. lol

I'm not denying the spiritual experience on DMT, I'm saying it's a drug; it has effects, so it's not surprising when people report those effects.

The last part is a cop out. It's intellectual dishonesty, and I don't do that. I will not say 'pretend it's whatever you want if it makes you feel good'. There's no reason you can't still get the same experience while having a grounded basis in reality.
 

Mad Hamish

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Ur sig is one of my fav quotes....it was hunter s Thompson's character played by johnny depp tho that sd that abt dr.gonzo as he stepped onto the plane....I dont think hunter s. actually sd it...I dont think he actually knew the good dr. .....ha....awesome quote tho
Yeah when I heard it I thought 'RIGHT FUCKING OOOONNNN!!!!' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... If you had to describe me I guess the words would fit nicely, I actually call my best mates The Mutants after that little line ;)

Thompson definitely came up with it. Try get your hands on the book, the movie is REALLY REALLY faithful to the original text, and Thompson had full copyright control over the script too. He even did a little cameo in it.

One of the greatest journalists of our time, max respect!
 

Mad Hamish

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Anyhow, you'll find more real DMT chatter here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/

RIU: The undoubted authority on weed. But rather hang out at the Nexus for good talks with kind-spirited psychonauts. This is a reefer site after all, the extras are nice, but if DMT is your topic of choice for continuous discussion, try the Nexus.
 

ineverveg

Active Member
anyhow, you'll find more real dmt chatter here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/

riu: The undoubted authority on weed. But rather hang out at the nexus for good talks with kind-spirited psychonauts. This is a reefer site after all, the extras are nice, but if dmt is your topic of choice for continuous discussion, try the nexus.
i thought that so i joined, i found out you have to wait ages to be able to post,you cant say much about it even if you were a full member coz they have lots of 'donts' and you get edited constant,but there aren't very many non experienced trolls over on nexus, psychonaught is good aswell but same rules of restricted speech!
 

ineverveg

Active Member
yes, but you posed your question slightly wrong so dumb and dumber jumped all over the topic to show how smart they were.
i have to confess i was thinking of dumb and dumber and the other 1 when i worded the thread.
You see, this whole argument began on an alien thread which kinda got hijacked so i worded it that way to get them to come over and debate the substance of dmt knowing they'd had none, i posted a link to this thread on the alien thread and manipulated them into coming over here to get a better debate going about dmt rather than hijacking another mans thread , it worked a treat, they were calling me a moron ect so now im just playing with them, they are all out of their depth now, this isn't a subject you can apply logic to ,i even offered up a game of chess with any of them so i could really play with them but no takers not even the one that stated i was a moron, i think they all must have a feeling of 'being on the wrong thread ' now!
 

Mad Hamish

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i thought that so i joined, i found out you have to wait ages to be able to post,you cant say much about it even if you were a full member coz they have lots of 'donts' and you get edited constant,but there aren't very many non experienced trolls over on nexus, psychonaught is good aswell but same rules of restricted speech!
Point taken on that one. You've gotta pretend you're not you and it IS kinda creepy lol...
 

ineverveg

Active Member
i have to confess i was thinking of dumb and dumber and the other 1 when i worded the thread.
You see, this whole argument began on an alien thread which kinda got hijacked so i worded it that way to get them to come over and debate the substance of dmt knowing they'd had none, i posted a link to this thread on the alien thread and manipulated them into coming over here to get a better debate going about dmt rather than hijacking another mans thread , it worked a treat, they were calling me a moron ect so now im just playing with them, they are all out of their depth now, this isn't a subject you can apply logic to ,i even offered up a game of chess with any of them so i could really play with them but no takers not even the one that stated i was a moron, i think they all must have a feeling of 'being on the wrong thread ' now!
enjoy being our resident pigeon.
everyone is entitled to an opinion, but some opinions hold more merit than others.
do you see what i did there, you're the pigeons girls! I've been kind of manipulating you and 'mindphuk'ing you all the way,where is he btw? Do you see now that i played you all trolls?
You now find yourself on a thread with many against your views as you
have no credible experiences with dmt,which many users have pointed out to you.
This thread will rumble well after you people bow out, because lebowsci was right,this thread had a shit all over the place,but i now believe the tables have turned and we have genuine people
giving good dmt trip reviews and more and more people keep on telling you the same thing' you can't comment when you have not partaken,here's the best example i could find quickly...

"exactly why it's not real. It's a fantasy, that's the point. I've tripped many times, on many hallucinogens, dmt is just one of the rainbow."

i would've agreed with this having not tried dmt, its rational thinking. But simply put, you're the one talking out of your ass on this one.

Dmt is something much more meaningful than logic seems to let us believe. It is not comparable to anything, you think you know hallucinogens without experiencing dmt? Give me a break.

When thousands of people all over the world report the same thing, it makes you atleast think twice about something. When you experience the same thing so brutally, its hard to dismiss.

Atleast be open to life not being as clean cut as your ego wants it to be and accept that there might be more going on than you wish to perceive or accept.
enjoyed being my guinea pigs girls?

And fuck of back to the alien debunking shit you sad pathetic bitches!
 

Kervork

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"I also guarantee that the cultures that use science to study DMT are closer in explaining the reality of the experience, than the ones who don't."

Fucking more or the same ethnocentric crap which was responsible for countless atrocities. The old, we know whats best for you ignorant bastards. Yeah, we're gonna step in and tell the natives all about the substance they discovered and mastered back when we were still learning how to burn witches. Science seems to be very good at stealing the knowledge of indigenous people and then using it without giving them any credit. Gee, thanks for showing us the plant that cures aids, now here's a bulldozer to flatten your village.
 

Padawanbater2

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Bro, your superiority complex is showing

You must have trolled yourself into believing something that didn't happen happened, and I can't speak for anyone else, but the way I see it is you posted something absurd, the majority of people who initially commented pointed out the flaws in your reasoning (or lack of), your only reply was to cry foul because your claims lack any process for verification, which is kinda important in science... and dismiss everything everybody else said because you think that if you've never used DMT, your opinion is invalid, which you still haven't explained why. Now you're trolling again for reactions and talking to yourself because everybody else smarter than me bailed long ago when the thread died and you proved you lacked the ability to think rationally about the subject, so there's no point in replying to you anymore.

So that's pretty much the way it went down, anyone can read it for themselves

I can guarantee you the reply that you just sat there and thought up that you've been dying to post for days now since this thread died, not gonna read it. I still want you to waste the time writing it though, because I know you will
:D
 

kpmarine

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do you see what i did there, you're the pigeons girls! I've been kind of manipulating you and 'mindphuk'ing you all the way,where is he btw? Do you see now that i played you all trolls?
You now find yourself on a thread with many against your views as you
have no credible experiences with dmt,which many users have pointed out to you.
This thread will rumble well after you people bow out, because lebowsci was right,this thread had a shit all over the place,but i now believe the tables have turned and we have genuine people
giving good dmt trip reviews and more and more people keep on telling you the same thing' you can't comment when you have not partaken,here's the best example i could find quickly...



enjoyed being my guinea pigs girls?

And fuck of back to the alien debunking shit you sad pathetic bitches!
I just know when a conversation isn't going anywhere, and move on. Good to know I got you so worked up that you're still thinking about me 3 days later.
 

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xthrx

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Lol no, Smoking DMT is not drug induced psychosis lol. Thats like saying me smoking weed is drug induced psychosis, which its not? I dont know what you're getting at lol.

Didnt know delerium and psychedelics were the same thing hahahah, man this is some intelligent conversation holy shit. Im unsure how your brain has grouped " meth for 5 days " and " smoking dmt " together, but gtfo cause you're actually stupid.
 

aknight3

Moderator
honestly. i sort of felt like it was psychosis the first time i smoked deems....i literally felt i had lived, died..experienced something totally fucked up. then was reborn again, given a 2nd chance at this life. i dont know whos trolling who here. i think its many trolls trolling a few and then a couple trolls trying to say they were trolling all of you, i dont know...but either way. dmt is some cray cray shit yall






i guess now that this thrread got interesting again a week after it died i have to go back and read all the pages....you fucking fuckers you:sleep:
 

Mad Hamish

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One thing I would love top point out here: There's a fuktonne of stuff being SOLD as DMT that is NOT DMT. Most common 'confusion' I see, is the good ol N,N DMT v/s 5-MEO DMT.

When talking about smoking DMT, most of us are referring to good ol N,N DMT. Now guys, let me tell you, 5-MEO DMT is a whole different beast altogether. And most of the 'psychotic' DMT reports really do fit the bill for a 5-MEO experience. It's just raw power, and it really was like going fucking insane. I only know about 7 people that have had it, and none of us are too interested in having another go at it either. Literally felt like everything I was got ripped away, even the part that's supposed to be there to experience it got blasted away at some point. Finding yourself again out of NOTHING is a bloody traumatic experience that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

Then you get a whole bunch of weird-ass RC's that you can smoke to get tripped out. Hell I've seen stuff that looked like loose green felt sold as DMT. Don't know what the fuk that was but guys were off on it for more than an hour, walking around playing with what seemed to be tangible hallucinations.

So I always make sure everybody's on the same page by asking what the stuff you smoked SMELLED like. NOTHING smells like N,N DMT. Even fumbling for a description gives it away. That godawful yet wonderful smell. Even a Changa pipe you can tell instantly it's N,N DMT...

The real deal is pretty bloody rare. Guys that make it have little interest in selling it most of the time, and if they do you're going to PAY for it. In actual needly crystal form it is pretty much impossible to find, I've only seen lab-grown crystals of ultrapure quality once in my life, and that was absolutely not for sale. You don't want to know what I traded for a 2.5 gram crystal.

And I must say this, most people that have had won't be too bothered about trying to prove a point in their experiences with it. It is intensely private, spiritual stuff, and most of us would like to keep that sacred to ourselves. I don't know, to me talking about my DMT experiences to strangers is kinda like walking around town with my pants off, not too sure I want to give everybody THAT good a look at me. I need to know you LONG time before I allow you a look THAT deep into my psyche.
 

ineverveg

Active Member
bro, your superiority complex is showing

you must have trolled yourself into believing something that didn't happen happened, and i can't speak for anyone else, but the way i see it is you posted something absurd, the majority of people who initially commented pointed out the flaws in your reasoning (or lack of), your only reply was to cry foul because your claims lack any process for verification, which is kinda important in science... And dismiss everything everybody else said because you think that if you've never used dmt, your opinion is invalid, which you still haven't explained why. Now you're trolling again for reactions and talking to yourself because everybody else smarter than me bailed long ago when the thread died and you proved you lacked the ability to think rationally about the subject, so there's no point in replying to you anymore.

So that's pretty much the way it went down, anyone can read it for themselves

i can guarantee you the reply that you just sat there and thought up that you've been dying to post for days now since this thread died, not gonna read it. I still want you to waste the time writing it though, because i know you will
:d
well if you you go back to my first post onthe alien thread
i myself have always thought aliens to be total horseshit until i smoked dmt lmao,
once anyone smokes dmt they will all realize what the fuck is going down! Aliens are real man, they are mostly very nice encounters whilst on dmt and i feel like david icke telling folk but i challenge anyone to purchase some dmt and smoke it then judge for yourself that there's no such thing as aliens :shock:

''one of the most remarkable features of the dmt experience is the frequency with which users encounter non-human intelligences, often resembling aliens. Even more remarkably, some users come away from these encounters convinced that these entities are somehow real (strassman, 2001). The psychological aspects of such experiences have not yet been adequately explored by scientific researchers''

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http://youtu.be/pi5p2n3xfta
follow the story from there mate,you will realize exactly how i played you from that thread,i brought you over here ,taking you out of your comfort zone, i have many telling you, and others, the importance of taking dmt in relation to the validity of your opinions,
i lost a few like tyler durden,hiesingberg and mindphuk ect because they were prolly clever enough to work out they had no opinions on dmt so they stick around the alien threads and steer clear of appearing stupid!

i just know when a conversation isn't going anywhere, and move on. Good to know i got you so worked up that you're still thinking about me 3 days later.
ok dude,whatever you say,this conversation hasn't really taken off yet but feel free to 'move on' especially now you know i used you like a pawn bro, three days thinking about you???
I simply told you and your pals the crack,
you dont like being manipulated by a 'moron' thats why your off ! Also you have nothing to bring to the table which you are beginning to cotton onto now, anyways,game of chess??

i guess now that this thrread got interesting again a week after it died i have to go back and read all the pages....you fucking fuckers you:sleep:
lol
 
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