DMT... aliens or god? What is the 'presence'

[Mad Hamish]

Gotta rate this thread 5 stars for pure amusement... lol... some sharp fucking wits around these parts... meeeooooowwwww

 

[ineverveg]

and i must say this, most people that have had won't be too bothered about trying to prove a point in their experiences with it. It is intensely private, spiritual stuff, and most of us would like to keep that sacred to ourselves. I don't know, to me talking about my dmt experiences to strangers is kinda like walking around town with my pants off, not too sure i want to give everybody that good a look at me. I need to know you long time before i allow you a look that deep into my psyche.

lmao ,icome on here to recount and talk about it coz you just cant tell friends what happens with dmt, which other drug can i say that about ,idk, crazy shit!

 

[ineverveg]

THE 'GAME' STARTED HERE....

I was looking for acid and stumbled upon DMT via a joe rogan podcast, i have read somewhere it gets called the business mans lunch break trip,its a bit like acid without the comedown or dirty feeling and much more powerful, and you see aliens as well

https://www.rollitup.org/hallucinatory-substances/679387-dmt-aliens-god-what-presence.html

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Originally Posted by Nevaeh420

I thought this thread was about aliens? Where or when did it get so hijacked?


To get back on subject, I really saw about 8 UFOs on July 2 of 2012 and about a month later I sw a being that was invisible and than translucent on top of My neighbors roof. I think they came to visit the Son of God, or should I just say Me? Talking about a trip that doesn't go away, than its the fact that I believe that I was visited by aliens and I saw one of them. But it was also the coolest things that I ever experienced too in My life. Nothing can compare to what I saw that day. I think about My encounter every single day. I want to know, where do they come from? what do they want from Me? what do they look like without being translucent? why would they visit Me? what is their agenda? and I want to know much more about them.

~PEACE~



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i believe it got hijacked when i mentioned the connection between DMT and ALIENS,sorry about all the drug jargon that came after,no other drugs are relevant to aliens which is why i started https://www.rollitup.org/hallucinatory-substances/679387-dmt-aliens-god-what-presence.html, really just to talk over the DMT link to aliens,however none of the skeptic trolls come over because they have no experience of what they debate about lol, beef biscuit came over to hate on me but found himself ,again talking shit about thing he knows nothing about and basically trolling!

 

[aknight3]

deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs

 

[Beefbisquit]

Science/reason = 1

Logical fallacy ridden bullshit and heresay = 0

 

[ineverveg]

Ok, first off - you start off your thread with a false dichotomy. <---- CLICK HERE

It's not either 'god' or 'aliens' - there is a plethora of other phenomenon it could be attributed to.

It's also a loaded question. Instead of asking a general question about people's experiences on DMT, you loaded the question,

I LOADED THE QUESTION ON PUPOSE TO 'LURE' YOU HERE YOU FOOL, INTO A THREAD YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS COMMENTING ON,INTO A TOPIC WHICH IS ALIEN TO YOU

NOW YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH NO WORDS JUST A LINK,YOU REALLY MUST CONCEDE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT OF ''OPINIONS OF TAKING DMT AND PRESENCES DISCUSSION''

YOU JUST DEBUNK ALIEN SHIT BECAUSE YOUR VERY SAD! WE ARE TALKING DMT HERE GIRLS,YOU CAN'T DEBUNK DMT FOOL, I MEAN WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN UFO'S AND SHIT WHY SPEND HOURS USING SCIENCE AND CRITICAL THINKING JUST IMPOSING YOUR WILL ON PEOPLE WHOM BELIEVE THEY SAW A UFO, HOW CRAZY IS THAT, LET THEM BE YOU TROLL!

 

[ineverveg]

i had a very religious experience recently where 2 members of my family were with me, standing in my peripheral vision , i looked straight forward laughing,feeling very warm and spiritual,i could feel it was them rather than see them in detail because they were leaning in and out of my peripheral vision,this was the most enjoyable warm experience,but clearly not alien at all to me.

Hey guys, i was just wondering, when you lot take dmt , what do you think the presence is??
Do you think its;

1 aliens

2 god and spirits

3 none off the above

lmfao

 

[Beefbisquit]

I LOADED THE QUESTION ON PUPOSE TO 'LURE' YOU HERE YOU FOOL, INTO A THREAD YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS COMMENTING ON,INTO A TOPIC WHICH IS ALIEN TO YOU

NOW YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH NO WORDS JUST A LINK,YOU REALLY MUST CONCEDE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT OF ''OPINIONS OF TAKING DMT AND PRESENCES DISCUSSION''

YOU JUST DEBUNK ALIEN SHIT BECAUSE YOUR VERY SAD! WE ARE TALKING DMT HERE GIRLS,YOU CAN'T DEBUNK DMT FOOL, I MEAN WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN UFO'S AND SHIT WHY SPEND HOURS USING SCIENCE AND CRITICAL THINKING JUST IMPOSING YOUR WILL ON PEOPLE WHOM BELIEVE THEY SAW A UFO, HOW CRAZY IS THAT, LET THEM BE YOU TROLL!

You didn't create anything with the intent to 'lure' anyone. You're just falling back on that position because virtually everyone who has stopped by this thread has given you a verbal tongue lashing. You wanted to gain strength for your position, but instead you've just invited more people to critique your asinine beliefs.

Your opinion of 'who should comment on what' means nothing to me. As you've already been told about 1,000,000 times, you don't need to do DMT to know that people are just tripping when they take it. It's common fucking sense - clearly something you lack.

We've heard multiple reports from DMT users claiming you are incorrect. There have been MRI, PET, and EEG studies done on DMT and variants, and they show increased activity in the Occipital Lobe, or the visual processing center of the mammalian brain. It makes you see things that aren't there; it's a fucking fact.

I know 'facts' don't bode well with irrational people, but it is a fucking fact. You can read about it yourself.

[DMT] seems to induce and expand the hypnagogic
or twilight state (correlated with an increase of theta) and at
the same time keeps the individual awake and conscious
(correlated with an increase of alpha). These EEG changes are
exactly the same as during deep meditation (Hoffmann, E.
1998 ). Thus, in some respects the [DMT]-altered state is
comparable to meditation and it is quite conceivable that
[DMT] facilitates meditation.


Another expert comparing DMT to other drugs (OH NO HE DIDN'T!)

Ayahuasca is thought by indigenous people to give the
individual access to unconscious, spiritual and transpersonal
realms of experience. The psychological state induced by
ayahuasca can be compared to other altered states of
heightened unconscious activity such as meditation,
hypnosis, etc. A number of studies have shown that the
presence of theta waves in the EEG reflects subconscious
activity, and people with increased EEG theta levels usually
have better access to their subconscious feelings, imagery
and memories (Green E. & Green A., 1977; Budzynski, T.H.,
1986; Cowan, J., 1993; White, N.E., 1999). During states of
increased awareness of subconscious activity (e.g.
meditation, hypnotic trance, hypnagogic imagery) theta
activity usually increases considerably. The presence of alpha
waves in these states is important since they reflect conscious
attention. If alpha amplitudes drop down it is a sign that the
individual is losing consciousness. This is what happens when a
person falls asleep.


http://maps.org/news-letters/v11n1/pdf/11125hof.pdf

 

[sunni]

this is just getting silly now. sorry guys i don't think either of you are going to change each others minds, so might as well just drop it and NO NEED TO USE THIS we can read perfectly fine without all the caps and bolded lettering

 

[ineverveg]

honestly. i sort of felt like it was psychosis the first time i smoked deems....i literally felt i had lived, died..experienced something totally fucked up. then was reborn again, given a 2nd chance at this life. i dont know whos trolling who here. i think its many trolls trolling a few and then a couple trolls trying to say they were trolling all of you, i dont know...but either way. dmt is some cray cray shit yall






i guess now that this thread got interesting again a week after it died i have to go back and read all the pages....you fucking fuckers you

lol ^^

Gotta rate this thread 5 stars for pure amusement... lol... some sharp fucking wits around these parts... meeeooooowwwww

Agreed!!

this is just getting silly now. sorry guys i don't think either of you are going to change each others minds

Yeah, you were correct to lock it up for a while sunni, no more silliness from me anymore i promise!, i dont think we need to change each others minds,opinions vary and we can merely discuss them in a dignified manner,but im glad you have opened the thread up again,cheers !

 

[ineverveg]

Meeting with ‘Aliens’ whilst under the influence of DMT has been a pervasive theme of DMT reports since the wide-spread use of the compound first began in the mid 60’s; numerous positions on this phenomena have evolved since it was first noted, with no single theory gaining common credence. Judging by certain examples of the current ‘Visionary Art’ the contact between these strange beings and DMT users is obviously continuing!



William S. Burroughs and Alien Intelligence

Yage is a space-ship. ~ William S. Burroughs, The Yage Letters.

In his letters written to Alan Ginsberg in 1956 about his ayahuasca experiences (later published as The Yagé Letters) William S. Burroughs first suggested the idea that the ayahuasca experience is actually an access to some kind of an alien reality. Thus it could be suggested that the inspiration for both one of his most famous statements – that language is a virus from Outer Space – as well as the hallucinatory alien-filled world of Interzone in his most famous work Naked Lunch, in fact come from his pioneering experimentation with both ayahuasca and DMT. The existence of this ‘alien reality’ would continue to be a prevalent theme in Burroughs work throughout the rest of his life.

William Burroughs’ reference points were outside most of ours. Like any explorer, he searched for the highest peak for a better point of view. If he could establish some sort of connection with non-human intelligence, he may have thought he could finally crack the hard shell of what he called the “Nova Conspiracy”: one of his models for the drive that makes some humans seek total control of others. Burroughs was apparently convinced that this meme was so dastardly that it had to be due to an outside influence, namely what we would sometimes call “aliens.” It probably did not matter to him if the contact was with “good” or “bad” aliens. He could glean information from either source. ~ from William S. Burroughs, Whitley Strieber, and U.F.O.'s

Terence McKenna and Alien Love

The feeling of doing DMT is as though one had been struck by noetic lightning. The ordinary world is almost instantaneously replaced, not only with a hallucination, but a hallucination whose alien character is its utter alienness. Nothing in this world can prepare one for the impressions that fill your mind when you enter the DMT sensorium. ~ Terence McKenna

http://www.dmtsite.com/dmt/speculations/

 

[ineverveg]

bump,hehe

 

[MrEDuck]

Can this become a merged thread about DMT? We have three threads about this on the front page right now.

 

[Impman]

I LOADED THE QUESTION ON PUPOSE TO 'LURE' YOU HERE YOU FOOL, INTO A THREAD YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS COMMENTING ON,INTO A TOPIC WHICH IS ALIEN TO YOU

NOW YOU FIND YOURSELF WITH NO WORDS JUST A LINK,YOU REALLY MUST CONCEDE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT OF ''OPINIONS OF TAKING DMT AND PRESENCES DISCUSSION''
YOU JUST DEBUNK ALIEN SHIT BECAUSE YOUR VERY SAD! WE ARE TALKING DMT HERE GIRLS,YOU CAN'T DEBUNK DMT FOOL, I MEAN WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN UFO'S AND SHIT WHY SPEND HOURS USING SCIENCE AND CRITICAL THINKING JUST IMPOSING YOUR WILL ON PEOPLE WHOM BELIEVE THEY SAW A UFO, HOW CRAZY IS THAT, LET THEM BE YOU TROLL!

I think it is important to point out there are no aliens. As a Atheist and a rare Earth believer, I find it annoying when people push Alien theories on others....just as annoying as you find it when someone argues rare Earth.... believing in Aliens breeds ignorance....and as a firm non-believer and a firm believer in education, I find Aliens and gods offensive and a set back to the human race. ...You should take your DMT experiences for what they are, a pyshonautical voyage to the vast and wonderful caverns of the mind.
And don't you want to have the other opinion to this Aliens and gods ? that is great you opened your mind to the idea of Aliens and religion though... some people need that security blanket

 

[MrEDuck]

Gods and aliens are just terms we've invented for what we meet.
I'm doing a coordinated blastoff with a friend this evening.

 

[Bublonichronic]

Ill try to give my opinion, but it prolly won't make sense..I agree with impman and duck, they are not gods or aliens, those are just blunt terms for people to relate to,...I think entity is the perfect description, with their lacking of physical being and all...I look at the entities as fields of energy that we run into, and being mostly energy ourselves, we immediately relate and feel like there is communication, and maybe there is, just not in anyway we understand to be "real"

 

[SeanyMac]

Ill try to give my opinion, but it prolly won't make sense..I agree with impman and duck, they are not gods or aliens, those are just blunt terms for people to relate to,...I think entity is the perfect description, with their lacking of physical being and all...I look at the entities as fields of energy that we run into, and being mostly energy ourselves, we immediately relate and feel like there is communication, and maybe there is, just not in anyway we understand to be "real"

Ah - I love blasting off with DMT. I refer to them as entities as well. Some positive, some negative, some curious, some helpful. I have yet to cross into the central nexus of information of the universe, as I've dubbed it. The blinding white light. I've seen it though and I had the option to go in... Just decided to hop a ride on an entity instead.

 

[Bublonichronic]

Yea, the light, so bright...so different, ahha, haven't blasted off in longer than I'd like, was trying breathing patterns to raise my dmt levels the other day, guess I don't have the patience for that, I need drugs

 

[Impman]

hey , what is on the marlboro lights? ......ahhh ... that was my cig..... looks like hash oil. I think we meet the end of our evolutionary road that is still under construction. Our mind can go several different directions at this great equinox we find ourselves at..... I think DMT/LSD takes us to the end of the freeway of our minds and allows us to look out over the uncharted territories of innerspace.

 

[Bublonichronic]

Yea, innerspace is eerily similar to outerspace thoO..but that some winterized bho I thought lookd nice