Common sense gun control!

[NoDrama]

Derp Derp Derp.

see that thing way over there ------->

thats the point of the story.

<-------- see that spot WAY over there? thats where you are, its called irrelevance.

but by all means tell us how "Private Dealers/Gunshows" would make a bit of difference. any transfer of a firearm by any person without filing the ATF "request to transfer a gun" form is a federal crime. even if that transfer is done by a "private dealer" (protip: if you are a Dealer you muist be licensed anywhere in the US, and fill out the ATF form for every gun.) a private seller, or at a gun show.

the form ALWAYS gets filled out, and he would be denied no matter who he was dealing with.

what you probably meant was a Black Market Gun Dealer (like the Obama Administration) but you foolishy equate persons selling 1 or 2 guns privately and traveling gun shows with the illegal arms trade. but thats stupid.

One caveat: This only applies to NEW guns. Used guns can be purchased at a gun show and there is no requirement for a background check or any type of ATF form to be filled out.

 

[cannabineer]

One caveat: This only applies to NEW guns. Used guns can be purchased at a gun show and there is no requirement for a background check or any type of ATF form to be filled out.

That varies by state. Here where I am, that avenue has been closed. cn

 

[desert dude]

One caveat: This only applies to NEW guns. Used guns can be purchased at a gun show and there is no requirement for a background check or any type of ATF form to be filled out.

I have purchased multiple used guns. Always had to go through the whole rigamarole. I live in CA though, so maybe that's why.

 

[kpmarine]

i dont trust anyone who doesnt trust his neighbors to own the means to defend themselves.

high explosives are (and have been for some time) strictly controlled. the prohibition on grenades, bombs, HE artillery ordinance, landmines, rocket launchers, thermonuclear devices, weaponized small pox, VX gas and killer robots is not the issue.

thats the kind of stupid shit morons bring up to Reductio the Absurdum out of anyone who thinks i should be able to have a fucking rifle or handgun.

If you had actually monitored the context; you'd note it was in response to someone who said people should be allowed to have SAM's. So I didn't go there on my own.

Here it is:

I feel that if an American citizen wants to buy a surface to air missile, he ought to be able.

.

So I must kindly ask you to stop making assumptions about my positions on gun ownership. I didn't bring it up, someone else did (There goes reducto ad absurdum.). Nor did I conflate an AR with an artillery piece; unbunch your panties and stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[tokeprep]

I have purchased multiple used guns. Always had to go through the whole rigamarole. I live in CA though, so maybe that's why.

I think the state must be quite significant. I saw a CNN segment recently where a correspondent walked into a gun show and walked away with an assault rifle, paying in cash and not filling out any forms. I'm not sure which state it was, but the sale there was entirely legal.

 

[kpmarine]

I have purchased multiple used guns. Always had to go through the whole rigamarole. I live in CA though, so maybe that's why.

In CA, you're technically always supposed to go through an FFL to transfer a firearm. Unless it fall under the antique and curio/relic laws, then you can just give it to them. We're one of the stricter states, and it's frustrating at times. I have an M14 converted to semi-auto, but the detachable mag, flash suppressor, and bayonet lug render it stuck in another state at the moment; I miss that gun...

 

[Rob Roy]

Making a mortar is easy; making good explosive rounds is tricky. Why exactly would a mortar be expensive if they were free for anyone to purchase? They are easy and reasonably inexpensive to manufacture. I'd be okay with it if there was an actual competency test involved for things with high explosives.

is there a competency test for those that can "declare war" ?

 

[cannabineer]

I think the state must be quite significant. I saw a CNN segment recently where a correspondent walked into a gun show and walked away with an assault rifle, paying in cash and not filling out any forms. I'm not sure which state it was, but the sale there was entirely legal.

An actual assault rifle?? cn

 

[cannabineer]

is there a competency test for those that can "declare war" ?

It's every bit as strict as that for those who can declare progeny. cn

 

[tokeprep]

An actual assault rifle?? cn

I'm guessing an AR-15 must not be "an actual assault rifle" if you're saying that, so you can adjust my words accordingly. I don't care what you want to call the gun, I find it extremely disturbing that someone can buy one at a gun show with just an ID and some cash, not needing to fill out a single form, not needing any background check, without any record of the sale ever being created.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm guessing an AR-15 must not be "an actual assault rifle" if you're saying that, so you can adjust my words accordingly. I don't care what you want to call the gun, I find it extremely disturbing that someone can buy one at a gun show with just an ID and some cash, not needing to fill out a single form, not needing any background check, without any record of the sale ever being created.

congratulations, comrade. your concern has made you a commie!

you also hate all guns now, america, apple pie, white picket fences, baseball, fireworks, barbecues, little baby jesus, and freedom.

 

[desert dude]

congratulations, comrade. your concern has made you a commie!

you also hate all guns now, america, apple pie, white picket fences, baseball, fireworks, barbecues, little baby jesus, and freedom.

You forgot the constitution, Buck. She also hates the constitution.

 

[cannabineer]

I'm guessing an AR-15 must not be "an actual assault rifle" if you're saying that, so you can adjust my words accordingly. I don't care what you want to call the gun, I find it extremely disturbing that someone can buy one at a gun show with just an ID and some cash, not needing to fill out a single form, not needing any background check, without any record of the sale ever being created.

The distinguishing, defining feature of an assault rifle is a select-fire provision. Civilian-model ARs are mere autoloaders. No soldier would carry the autoloading-only variant as it is tactically mush less versatile. I despise the journalistic tendency to pejorate the firearm. Consider the redundancy "assault weapon". By definition, what you use in an assault is a weapon, and what you do with a weapon (from an open hand to a carrier task force with all the trimmings) is assault. Fwiw. cn

 

[tokeprep]

You forgot the constitution, Buck. She also hates the constitution.

If "she" is me, I am no she.

 

[NoDrama]

I have purchased multiple used guns. Always had to go through the whole rigamarole. I live in CA though, so maybe that's why.

Are you filling out FEDERAL forms, or state forms?

 

[NoDrama]

I'm guessing an AR-15 must not be "an actual assault rifle" if you're saying that, so you can adjust my words accordingly. I don't care what you want to call the gun, I find it extremely disturbing that someone can buy one at a gun show with just an ID and some cash, not needing to fill out a single form, not needing any background check, without any record of the sale ever being created.

Why does one need details of the sale? Because guns can be weapons? knives can be weapons, do you advocate we go through the same rigamarole every time we want to purchase a hammer or a baseball bat? Take out the suicides and guns aren't the most used weapon to kill, knives and physical body attacks (Punches, kicks) are.

What other rights enshrined in the Constitution would you like to have some government flooky decide whether or not you are worthy of? Perhaps a citizenship test that if you get wrong you are not allowed to travel outside the state anymore? Perhaps a test to ensure you are of the correct mental attitude before you are allowed to work a job anywhere? Maybe we see if you drink alcohol, if you do you are not allowed to drive, EVER. Drink sodas and eat at McDonalds? No healthcare for you, even if you paid out of your pocket.

The slippery slope gets awful slick.

 

[tokeprep]

The distinguishing, defining feature of an assault rifle is a select-fire provision. Civilian-model ARs are mere autoloaders. No soldier would carry the autoloading-only variant as it is tactically mush less versatile. I despise the journalistic tendency to pejorate the firearm. Consider the redundancy "assault weapon". By definition, what you use in an assault is a weapon, and what you do with a weapon (from an open hand to a carrier task force with all the trimmings) is assault. Fwiw. cn

You can probably see the difference in when I've lived. To me, "assault rifle" has always meant a big, powerful gun capable of semiautomatic fire. I've heard it used that way so much that I've never even looked at a technical definition until now. (I have no interest in guns aside from shooting Nazis in first person shooters and sensibly interpreting the Fourth Amendment.)

 

[tokeprep]

Why does one need details of the sale? Because guns can be weapons? knives can be weapons, do you advocate we go through the same rigamarole every time we want to purchase a hammer or a baseball bat? Take out the suicides and guns aren't the most used weapon to kill, knives and physical body attacks (Punches, kicks) are.

What other rights enshrined in the Constitution would you like to have some government flooky decide whether or not you are worthy of? Perhaps a citizenship test that if you get wrong you are not allowed to travel outside the state anymore? Perhaps a test to ensure you are of the correct mental attitude before you are allowed to work a job anywhere? Maybe we see if you drink alcohol, if you do you are not allowed to drive, EVER. Drink sodas and eat at McDonalds? No healthcare for you, even if you paid out of your pocket.

The slippery slope gets awful slick.

A record is created when I go to the store to buy cat food. I could care less. Indeed, since around 80% of the people in this country pay with electronic means at the grocery store, every trip creates a record of everything you purchased, attached to your name. My point wasn't necessarily that there should be a record of the sale, because I haven't particularly thought about the issue. Instead, I'm disturbed that there's not even a sales record that exists--considering that it exists with all the mundane things people buy every day--in the absence of a background check or any other measure. There's nothing. Since we're talking about tools that can kill people with astonishing ease, I find that incredibly unnerving.

If you're referring to background checks in your second paragraph: I have no problem with people who are mentally ill being committed, and I have no problem with that preventing them from ever obtaining a gun because they can't pass a background check that everyone must make. Restricting mentally ill people from obtaining guns does not offend the gun rights of any ordinary American. Likewise, restricting violent criminals from obtaining guns doesn't bother me at all, because it doesn't offend the rights of people who don't commit violent crimes.

 

[NoDrama]

A record is created when I go to the store to buy cat food. I could care less. Indeed, since around 80% of the people in this country pay with electronic means at the grocery store, every trip creates a record of everything you purchased, attached to your name. My point wasn't necessarily that there should be a record of the sale, because I haven't particularly thought about the issue. Instead, I'm disturbed that there's not even a sales record that exists--considering that it exists with all the mundane things people buy every day--in the absence of a background check or any other measure. There's nothing. Since we're talking about tools that can kill people with astonishing ease, I find that incredibly unnerving.

If you write a check, use your cc, or your check card, there is going to be a record too. Even if you buy a used gun at a gunshow.

You really worried about a gun show sale gun killing someone? Statistically none ever have. Misplaced fear? Perhaps you are just plain scared of certain inanimate objects, people have all sorts of phobias.

If you want a record its imperative to get a receipt, I always do and I own a bunch of firearms.

 

[NoDrama]

You can probably see the difference in when I've lived. To me, "assault rifle" has always meant a big, powerful gun capable of semiautomatic fire.

That is hilarious considering no assault rifles are big nor powerful.

The most common Assault rifle on earth has 7 pounds of recoil. Ak-47 shooting a 7.62.39mm projectile
The AR-15 shoots a 5.56mm (.22) caliber bullet and has 4 pounds of recoil

On the other hand, my elk rifle, a Browning BAR in .338 ultra ( a common round) shoots a projectile 5 times the size and exerts 41 pounds of recoil energy.
The most common hunting caliber, the 30-06 exerts 18 pounds of recoil.

Assault rifles are small caliber, easily carried lightweight semi auto rifles that have an extended capacity.

In no way are they big or powerful, not even the real assault rifles that are fully automatic.

Real life isn't a video game.