Is it to good to be true? Or am i missing something?

[Mr. Outdoors]

I have never bought seeds before and have to admit it is a little mind boggling.
I have been doing a lot of reading trying to find something I will enjoy growing. potency most important, like to have something with a good bag appeal, just because I love the different looks and colors of different plants. Important, but least important would be yieild.
Anyways back to the reason for the post. I was looking on Herbies and noticed they had some strains that seem to have it all. high THC,looked sweet as could be with high yields. Is it to good to be true? Am I over looking something?

1. Barneys critical Kush, THC 21%
2. Bomb THC Bomb, THC 20-25%
3. Bomb Cherry Bomb,THC 17-22%

Bomb Cherry Bomb peaking my interest the most, but looking to grab a couple different strains.

 

[buster8813]

Critical Kush is amazing. big yields, great taste, very long lasting high.. ive never had a bad pheno or any issues with them, very easy to grow and trim.. cant say enough good about this strain

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

Thank you very much for the report buster......

 

[buster8813]

those are a few of the first run i had after a week of curing.. will look around for other shots before cure but they are some seriously frosty ladies! the second run i had with the critical kush was far superior to that! once you get this strain dialed in you will have the perfect smoke in every way.. even when its not dialed in to perfection, you will have stuff that out performs a lot of strains! yields will still be huge and quality will be top notch
I have recommended this strain to a few others here and they were just as impressed with this strain as i was.. i definitely do not see this being a let down for you and if you decide to grow this strain out, id be happy to help with whatever you need

 

[buster8813]

ah fml the shots never came up :s

 

[buster8813]

dont know why my pics arent coming up

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

Again much thanks buster. I will probably have some question as I have only ever ran 2 different strains, and never started from seed. Jacky White which I am currently running, and Granddaddy Purple. The Jacky has a week or so before she is finished, and I have 8 GDP in veg. waiting to go into the flower room. So it will be a minute for the seeds. I will order the seeds tonight or tomorrow. I think when I do the seeds I am going to do a full journal.

 

[bluntmassa1]

I have never bought seeds before and have to admit it is a little mind boggling.
I have been doing a lot of reading trying to find something I will enjoy growing. potency most important, like to have something with a good bag appeal, just because I love the different looks and colors of different plants. Important, but least important would be yieild.
Anyways back to the reason for the post. I was looking on Herbies and noticed they had some strains that seem to have it all. high THC,looked sweet as could be with high yields. Is it to good to be true? Am I over looking something?

1. Barneys critical Kush, THC 21%
2. Bomb THC Bomb, THC 20-25%
3. Bomb Cherry Bomb,THC 17-22%

Bomb Cherry Bomb peaking my interest the most, but looking to grab a couple different strains.

too good........ those thc %'s are a load of bull shit.

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

Blunt, like I stated in my opening, I have never bought seed or ran seeds. Can you elaborate a little more on that? Or direct me to why it is bullshit?
Im not naive and as I understand that the numbers they give are in perfect environment, perfect grow, etc. Is that what you mean by bullshit? Or are you saying the the Numbers are just plain lies?

 

[calicat]

This is my take on thc analysis. The laboratory analysis of cannabis is still in retro era. They utilize gas chromatography which is mostly obsolete when it comes to laboratory testing. Maybe one day they will use spectrophotometry. Another fact is that there is no governing body that goes around and checks those places that offer cannabis analysis. For instance if you were in a hospital setting there is a governing body that checks logs, equipment, check the qualifications of staff running tests and runs controls.

 

[EZmooover]

Seed sellers almost always exaggerate their descriptions... THC, yields, flowering times, etc. Like a said, "almost" always. The numbers that they advertise are, in most cases, maxed out, optimum numbers and only when you catch the best phenos and run them under ideal conditions from start to finish.

They should not be expected to be the average in any typical grow. Especially the THC% numbers.

 

[EZmooover]

This is my take on thc analysis. The laboratory analysis of cannabis is still in retro era. They utilize gas chromatography which is mostly obsolete when it comes to laboratory testing. Maybe one day they will use spectrophotometry. Another fact is that there is no governing body that goes around and checks those places that offer cannabis analysis. For instance if you were in a hospital setting there is a governing body that checks logs, equipment, check the qualifications of staff running tests and runs controls.

Nothing wrong with today's technology regarding GC, GC/MS, GC/FTIR or HPLC analysis. These applications are incredibly powerful tools... when they are in the right hands.

 

[racerboy71]

Those numbers mean dick all to me and in fact I never even look at them when considering a new strain ..
Here's a few reasons why..
1) who's to say these numbers aren't simply made up, pulled out of thin air? Just because they list these numbers, doesn't mean they got them from anywhere .. I don't see any reports from test centers that gave them these numbers anywhere..
2) THC is only but one active cannabiniod that effects the over all high or stone of any strain .. many other things beside THC can and do effect potency and effects of cannabis..
3) who the hell is really going to be able to tell the difference between a plant with say 25% THC and ime with 20%?
Go buy 2 bottles of vodka.. say one 100 proof and the second 80 proof.. both will get one pretty fucked up.. OK.. so maybe I only had to take 6 shoots of the 100 proof vs 7 of the 80, the end result is I'm fucked up and probably gonna be puking my guts up in the morning..

My advice.. find something that sounds good to you.. whether it's the taste or smell or effect, pick something that you like and roll with it and don't worry about yield or THC levels or any of the other Bs breeders try and push.

 

[brimck325]

you will get 3 different results from 3 different labs testing the same bud.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

I agree with Racerboy,
Even if everything they say in the breeders description is true, those are grown under optimum conditions in a lab environment, with every usefull tool available to them.
It is highly unlikely any of us will duplicate the results described by the breeder.
If you like it, and it gets you fucked up, who cares what numerical values have been placed on your strain.
If it has the flavor profile, buzz type, growth pattern etc... that you like, by all means, grow it.
I grew Strawberry Cough last year and the breeders description only had this strain listed at 11-15% THC.
It was awesome and people still ask when I will grow that again. I ordered it because this close friend told me she loved it, and she was right!
If I had based my decision on the description of THC content or yield, I would have passed this up

 

[brimck325]

no disrespect rocky, but most so called breeders are growing in tents in there apartments or something simular.

 

[Jogro]

you will get 3 different results from 3 different labs testing the same bud.

Of course you will.

They all use slightly different methods, and they're calibrated differently. By itself there is nothing wrong with this. So long as the labs are doing things correctly different results between labs should still be roughly comparable, and more important, they should be consistent WITHIN the same lab, for reasonable comparison between different samples tested at the same place.

On the original question and breeder-listed numbers, I think racerboy nailed it.

If you aren't looking at an actual published report of THC contents from a respected lab, it didn't happen. Lying about this is so rampant in the ceed game that you basically need to assume the numbers are UNTRUE until you have evidence to the contrary.

Its not just that the sellers exaggerate the numbers, some of them pull them out of thin air.

Of those that are legit, you're talking about the highest potency part of the best pheno grown and harvested optimally by great growers experienced in growing a given strain. Some add up all cannabinoids and just call them THC. . .that's better than a number pulled out of thin air, but its still deceptive because cannabinoid RATIOS are probably more important than absolute cannabinoid number.

EG something that's 13% THC, 1% THCV, and 1% CBD is probably going to hit much harder and feel much "stonier" than something that's 20% THC without THCV or CBD. As as mentioned already, in practice, you're not going to be able to tell the difference between otherwise similar 20% THC 23% strains.

Bottom line, IF you have a published number from a respected grower with a report to go with it, that number will give you some idea of a strains POTENTIAL.

But there are so many other important factors in choosing a line for growing for personal use, that THC content should be at best just one of many. Consider flowering time, yield, scent/flavor quality, strain stability, tendency to go hermie, pest and disease resistance, etc. Any day of the week, I'll take something high yielding easy go grow and potent, over something low-yielding hard to grow and insanely potent.

 

[Jogro]

no disrespect rocky, but most so called breeders are growing in tents in there apartments or something simular.

Depends who you're talking about.

There probably are a FEW of the smallest breeders who are growing at the "basement" level, but none of the bigger "name" breeders are. You simply can't get consistent good ceed maturity indoors without lots of lighting, and you're not going to be able to maintain a commercial supply of beans for 5-10-15 different lines without a real grow operation.

All of the big breeders have relatively large facilities, some purely indoors, but many mixed indoors/outdoors (greenhouse). Mr. Nice and Dinafem have pretty large facilities, as two I can remember off the top of my head. A few of the breeders also contract their ceed production to third party growers in Spain.

 

[bluntmassa1]

I grew Strawberry Cough last year and the breeders description only had this strain listed at 11-15% THC.
It was awesome and people still ask when I will grow that again. I ordered it because this close friend told me she loved it, and she was right!
If I had based my decision on the description of THC content or yield, I would have passed this up

look at Skunk #1 they claim its only like 8% thc but it sure as hell feels stronger then that too me.

Also another company I noticed is Greenhouse like all there strains are listed 20%+ thc but then they have these grow video's on their site and they grow them from clones but they come back with there test results and they don't even get close to the thc % they advertise not too mention there white strains even from clone were not what I would consider white strains and they looked nothing like the photo's but then you see some of what people have grown from mr. nice white strains and them girls are beautiful takes a little selection though I ran a whole pack of medicine man I did get some pretty frosty weed but not as frosty as a few I've seen so I got a pack of shark shock spring cleaning ( 1 gram of seed I got 60) to do some hunting. but thats another problem people have they expect to find the best plant in 1 fem seed or 1 pack but in reality it takes selection no matter what strain your working with to find the best pheno you see it all the time someone will buy 10 seeds of DJ's Blueberry and god forbid they didn't get a good Blueberry pheno suddenly they say the strain sucks bla bla bla but they had what 5 girls to choose from no shit you don't have the blueberry muffin pheno. now you grow out 50-100 your gonna find something pretty damn good but then again my favorite pheno or type of weed you may not care for as much some like cheese some like diesel some like fruity etc. but ime every seed produces a different plant some may grow alike some may smell alike but there is always that one thats better then the rest which is why it takes selection to find the true winner in anything like Super Silver Haze, Black Widow, Blueberry etc. but you find that winner it could be the next great calli clone-only just don't give it a stupid name. lol

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

Thanks to each and everyone of you. IMO this is how a forum should be. You all took the time to help out, even if everyone doesn't share the same opinion, everyone shared their thoughts without name calling and without disrespect to other posters. Your answers were informative and will help me be and informed buyer. I think I am going to go with the
Critical Kush, and the Bomb Cherry Bomb.