Help!!! Suffering young plants

[Lemon king]

I just watered them all will another 2oz of water - there were two that looked especially droopy and yellow, to which I gave 2.5oz. The cups felt light, even after the watering earlier today.

Most importantly, I would like to know: how badly this will affect my plants potential (quality and yield)?

If it would effect the yield in a way, example 1oz yield instead of 3oz - I want to start from fresh clones. I started from these clones 7 weeks ago and would rather cut my losses and start from scratch if it means far greater yields and quality.


ANY FEEDBACK IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. COME ON, ROLLITUP COMMUNITY! GIVE ME SOME LOVE!

o yea baby i got some love for ya!! its tough love though!!

yes as has been said before this WILL affect you end yeild. they are tiny for 7 weeks, you know yourself from looking at them, they are some stressed out biatches.....

you are obv wanting a great harvest thats worth all your time effort and money.

if you dont mind getting new clones and can do so, DO IT.

follow what you already have learnt and the next batch will be proper the way you want em. some people will say save them, but to me it looks like you know what the probs are and wer.

dump these "used goods" and get some fresh meat ready for some bashing!!

good luck and if you choose to see this out, extra good luck!!!!!

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

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They are looking better but the Trainwreck is still looking pretty yellow. I watered them with 2oz of water today. These photos were taken a few hours after. Should I have given them more water? I am afraid of over watering.

Sorry again for the sideways pictures. How do I fix that? I made sure they were right side up but then when I put them in a post they get turned sideways.

Man I don't care what anyone is telling you...FEED THEM BABIES...about 1/2 strength nutes, the mother was being fed, they need to be fed too, they are going to continue yellowing because they have no Nitrogen

 

[RIKNSTEIN]

o yea baby i got some love for ya!! its tough love though!!

yes as has been said before this WILL affect you end yeild. they are tiny for 7 weeks, you know yourself from looking at them, they are some stressed out biatches.....

you are obv wanting a great harvest thats worth all your time effort and money.

if you dont mind getting new clones and can do so, DO IT.

follow what you already have learnt and the next batch will be proper the way you want em. some people will say save them, but to me it looks like you know what the probs are and wer.

dump these "used goods" and get some fresh meat ready for some bashing!!

good luck and if you choose to see this out, extra good luck!!!!!

Dude quit giving bad advice and let the OP save them, this WILL make his growing skills better for the next round

 

[tank20101955]

if your adding nutrients to new clones in soil, then theres your problem. with new sprouts as long as they are in soil, and i mean fresh new soil then they shouldn't need fertilizer for some time. here is a website that can turn you into a pro in short time as long as you pay attention to what they say to do!. www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com. they have easy to read charts to tell what is wrong, and how to go about turning your plants back around and growing again!. they cover everything like putting a galvanized nail in the soil to counteract older leaves from curling over from lack of magnesium. also make sure your lights are not too close to the tops of your plants, to keep from burning them. also i would start out by flushing your plants soil with clean ph balanced water to flush all the extra nutrients you put in the soil. then invest in a small bottle of super thrive micro nutrient, you can get it at walmart or lowes. this stuff performs miracle's most plant food has no trace copper, or any of a half dozen other micro nutrients and trace metals and that includes miracle grow brand please stay away from it if you want good plants!. and start out with the best soil you can find, my choice was always expert brand sold at walmart. you can't find a better looking black soil than this stuff give it a try!

 

[Lemon king]

Dude quit giving bad advice and let the OP save them, this WILL make his growing skills better for the next round

he has the resources to start again, and asked if he should. i said he should. 7 weeks of stress aint going to help his yeild. i think hes learnt his lesson.

from the way he asked that question in the first place, he knows what he wants to do. i see your in the corner of live and learn, thats all good but sites like this means we can share our knowledge and not ALL have to take 20years to make a successful grower!!

 

[tank20101955]

if those plants are in a good soil then there is no need to add fertilizer because all you will do is burn them

 

[tank20101955]

that plant is in shock from lack of molybdenum, get that bottle of super thrive quick, put a half teaspoon in a spray water bottle and stop watering the plants and only spray the plants with the mix every day once in the morning and once in the evening before lights out!.

 

[tank20101955]

another trick is to use a green light bulb in the grow area for when you need to do something to your plants during their sleep cycle, regular light can wake the babys up during the night causing hermi's

 

[tank20101955]

Just started my first grow and the babies are not doing too hot -

600watt LED
Fox Farms Ocean Forest
Fox Forms Big Bloom
Organic Unsulphured Molasses
4x4 Grow Tent
Trainwreck and Blueberry

I put the clones (which were in rockwool cubes) in solo cups with just straight Fox Farms soil. I put holes in the cups for drainage. I mixed the nutrients very weak - at about 5 tbsp Big Bloom to 8 gallons of water and adjusted the PH to about 6.0. The first day, I fed them each 1/2 Cup water with Big Bloom (which I am certain now was too much). The next day I watered with molasses - 1 tbspn molasses to a gallon of water - I gave them each 1 cup of water (big mistake). Day 3 I gave them each 1/4 cup water with the Big Bloom. Day 4 I did not water. Day 5, in an effort cut out moisture, I took the plants out and put them back into the solo cups with fresh (and drier) soil. Day 6 I also did not water.

I suspected overwatering early on - the leaves have been drooping, some plants worse than others. And perhaps too much nutrient wise too early in the game..? The leaves on one have yellowed at the bottom - shriveling up - I cut the two shriveled up yellow leaves today as I assume they are just going to fall off anyway. The leaf yellowing at the bottom makes me suspect a nitrogen deficiency, but I do not see how it could be from the waterings directly. Could this be that the roots were suffocated from over watering and unable to uptake nitrogen?

I made sure to adjust the PH of my water accordingly to about 6.0 (after adding ferts, of course), so I do not see how it could be a PH problem.

My plan as of now is to avoid watering until the leaves stop drooping - and then to only water with 1/4 cup of pure water.

There is also portions of top leaves on some of the plants that have lost pigment and have bleached out. I suspected this was from getting too high a concentration of light and have adjusted the light to be much further away from the plants - is this right..?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

dude that plant picture you showed is suffering from lack of molybdenum, yellowing of the middle leaf is a sign of a molybdenum shortage in your soil, like i said before get super thrive and mix a half teaspoon in a spray water bottle full of water and stop watering your plants and foliar feed them twice a day. right now your plants are in shock and are not taking any water in, and thats why you spray them. because no matter what, they will take in water through the leaves and micro nutrients are what that plant needs right now. i have been doing this shit for 30 years and if you want your plants to live get the super thrive, it will cost you around 10 bucks for a 4 or 5 oz bottle but its worth its weight in gold!

 

[GiantSteps]

he has the resources to start again, and asked if he should. i said he should. 7 weeks of stress aint going to help his yeild. i think hes learnt his lesson.

I have actually only had them for 7 days - not 7 weeks. I think I am going to get some Northern Lights clones tomorrow and start fresh :/


I am using straight Fox Farms Ocean Forest - the soil doesn't provide enough nitrogen..? Or molybdenum..? Is it possible that the watering problems and all the stress made it so the plant just could not absorb the nitrogen? I do not understand how the soil (especially something like Ocean Forest) would cause the deficiency.

 

[GiantSteps]

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Here is a picture update. It looks like they are getting better. Still looking stressed and unhealthy though

 

[Lemon king]

normal growth is returning.

what did you do to solve the problem???

what was the problem??

please conclude the thread!!!1

 

[GiantSteps]

I think the problem was a handfull of different stresses, coming together to realllyyy take its toll. I think the light was too low (shocking them), I did not have sufficient drainage in the cups which I think led to both overwatering and underwatering issues, and I gave them nutrients early (before they had a chance to even root into the soil - when I checked, the roots were still only just sticking out from the rockwool just a bit, like they were when they went in).

The actions I took were: raised the light up significantly, transfered the plants to new solo cups (with tons and tons of tiny holes and a few bigger ones for better drainage), fresh and less moist soil replaced the old soil, paid closer attention to watering (and only watered with plain water adjusted to a PH of about 6.5). I also cut a couple of the withering/ultra yellow leaves, in hopes the plants would not waste energy trying to save them.

 

[KanoCannabis]

you feed them nutes relax these guys will help you and your plants WILL live i just went threw this its easy to fix and early so lots of time to fix that little speed bump after there outta shock from the nute burn they will blow up and you will be happy again

these were mine after they came outta shock looking good right

 

[Lemon king]

Nice one mate. I would agree, seems you have learnt allot.

good luck in your grows!!

p.s when things are running right, keep a dayly log, then if your plants fall ill, you can look back and see what's different now. This takes gussing out! Failing that, post here again lol

 

[GiantSteps]

I plan on starting a grow journal on here for the new clones. I plan on growing Northern Lights in a SCROG. Instead of just scrapping these plants, I am going to practice FIMing and LST on them. Still not entirely sure if I will FIM the Northern Lights. I was thinking of doing LST on them while they are still somewhat young - so they REALLY pop when they are in the screen. I plan on letting them grow through a bit, and then tucking them under along the screen - a real SCROG - a lot of people just seem to let them grow through the screen, only acting as support for the plants.

Hoping to do a 16 plant Northern Lights SCROG in a 4x4 tent. I know most people would probably say to only do like 4 plants if I am doing a SCROG in that space, but I figure I will not need to veg them quite so long with this set up. Any ideas, guys?

 

[GiantSteps]

I have put up a new Grow Journal for the Northern Lights - I included a link for anyone interested in taking a look!

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/693884-northern-lights-led-4x4-grow.html#post9344052

 

[GiantSteps]

Here is a little update on the plants - even though I started a fresh Northern Lights grow, I still kept most of the Blueberry and Trainwreck plants going. Recently started LST for them. The new growth is looking very healthy. Thought these pictures and information could be useful to anyone dealing with the same sort of thing.