Is it to good to be true? Or am i missing something?

[althor]

I am not trying to bash Bomb Seeds because I have had very little experience.
My buddy bought several different strains from Bomb Seeds, after growing out 2 plants he gave the rest away.
He tried to give them to me and I told him no thanks after smoking some of the 2 plants he did grow.
THC% is not what you want to base your purchase around.

When it comes to Barney's Farm, let's just say you never know what a seed might turn into. Sometimes good, most of the time it is just a heavily marketed, piece of crap. Barney's Farm is much better at advertising than they are at breeding.

Good luck with it.

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

I have not ordered anything yet, so if anyone has some suggestions please by all means let me know. Like i have stated I have ran the same two strains for years. Just looking for something new to try.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

but ime every seed produces a different plant some may grow alike some may smell alike but there is always that one thats better then the rest which is why it takes selection to find the true winner in anything like Super Silver Haze, Black Widow, Blueberry etc. but you find that winner it could be the next great calli clone-only just don't give it a stupid name. lol

I read nothing but bad reviews on Cali-conn and how unstable their genetics are. I dropped two Boss Hogg freebies and got lucky with one. I have cloned it and flowered it three times now and it is one of my favorites that I grow.

I have tomatoes in my outdoor vegetable garden, four plants from the same pack of ceeds... three are doing well, one is kicking ass.

I don't know Swerve or much about the politics or anything else when I popped those ceeds, all I'm saying is you never know, that's why growing is so fun and nature is full of surprises!

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

one more quick question, do you have seeds mailed to your address? Or use someones that you trust but does not grow? Do you use your own credit card to pay? I tried to find a pre-paid cc but none ive found work outside of the U.S.. Im not overly paranoid but dont want to be safe. I know that's technically 3 questions....

 

[Malevolence]

I have not run a whole lot of strains... but I have been very happy with Bodhi and G13 Labs gear. I have them shipped to my place using my debit card which probably isn't the best... but I don't trust or let in anyone on my secret garden except my girl who lives and grows with me, and like most pot heads I'm too impatient to mail in a money order or something.

Super lemon haze from greenhouse seeds is pretty dank... have some in flower now and have smoked it before and never seen a bad report on it. A lot of people are into DNA, Subcool, Reserva Prada, Rare Dankness but I've never tried any of that... just always hearing about it.

Always hearing good things about Sannies Seeds which I will be running next grow.

Mr. Nice is always recommended for white widow and dj short for blueberry. Been hearing good things about SinCity and OG Raskal fire alien. Like I said, I don't have very much experience but I think that is a pretty solid list of dank pheno hunting.

 

[buster8813]

Never worry about the breeders description, its a guideline to tell you what is possible but its not very likely. the fact is though, critical kush is extremely easy to grow, yields very well and its very strong. What the actual numbers are? no clue, but i can tell you in 15 years of smoking, this is in my top 3 without a doubt!
I will have to agree with whoever mentioned about the strawberry cough though.. it is listed as low thc but what an amazing smoke that was! it also said it was a low yielder but i got some good weight off of my strawberry cough when i ran some.
strains that are easier to grow will usually produce more potent smoke for the simple fact being it wasnt stressed as much. thats why im worried about my jack herer! this biatch clawed up within two weeks of veg and stretched out like a mofo
doesnt seem to clone very easily either but ill have to pay extra attention to her and get her into tip top shape cause this is one strain ive been looking into for a while as well as my god bud ive got going as well

 

[Jogro]

look at Skunk #1 they claim its only like 8% thc but it sure as hell feels stronger then that too me.

Probably because it is a lot stronger. I think that 8% number comes from decades-ago measurement systems. If you take the good current cuts of Skunk and test them out the same way the "OG"s are tested, many/most of the dispensary sold Skunks are testing out in the 18-20% THC range, with some even higher.

Here's a few numbers from SC labs that does this sort of testing. Skunk #1, tested for Green Acres dispensary in the last two years:

http://www.scanalytical.com/index.php?option=com_scl_tested&task=sample&Itemid=359&sample=121212Q027
http://www.scanalytical.com/index.php?option=com_scl_tested&task=sample&Itemid=359&sample=121021S008

Now, I don't know whose cut they have, or what Green Acres version really is, but that's two tests showing 23.4% THC and 21.8%THC levels, respectively, or 24.5% and 22.8% total cannabinoids. That puts this at a potency level of most of the elite "OG" strains.

Here's one called "Classic Green Skunk" that checks in at an absolutely insane 24.1% THC, and 26.6% total cannabinoids.

http://www.scanalytical.com/index.php?option=com_scl_tested&task=sample&Itemid=359&sample=121121K001

Again, these particular tests probably represent the best of what you could hope to get with these strains, but I think pretty much anyone should be satisfied with a legit 20%+ THC strain.

Considering that these Skunk strains are usually inexpensive, easy to grow, and good yielding, seems hard to go wrong with them.

 

[Jogro]

I have not ordered anything yet, so if anyone has some suggestions please by all means let me know. Like i have stated I have ran the same two strains for years. Just looking for something new to try.

Need more info.

Are you growing indoors or outdoors?
If outdoors, when does frost come? Do you need to harvest at an "off" time?
If indoors, do you have vertical height constraints?
Is flowering time important to you?
Do you prefer indicas or sativas?

 

[racerboy71]

Hey jogro
. Nice into on the all cannabinoids being combined thing as I had never knew that before and found it to be a pretty interesting fact..

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

I am Indoors, running a 1000w hps. 4 300w induction lights that I run for side lighting. 5X9X8 Tent. really no preference between indicas or sativas. Flower time 8-11 weeks. yeild is really least important to me as I sell very little of it. Just want it to be enough that its worth running. I just want something new and exciting to run. which Im sure my first run from new seed is going to be exciting just not looking to be disappointed.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

I have a question and thought in the spirit of this thread.

When you recieve ceeds, say in the breeder's packs, are they packed by the breeders, or the ceedbanks?
I always assumed they were packed by the breeder.

If that is the case, then who better to know a potentially viable ceed from a damaged or immature one?

I always inspect my ceeds with a 30x magnifier before germination.
I have noticed many times in a pack of 5-10 ceeds, that some will be cracked, damaged, or just white little immature ceeds.

Are these damaged during shipping? I think not.

Were they packaged this way by individuals who sell and manufacture a product that they are supposed to be knowledgable in?

How do these obviously dud ceeds end up in so many packages? Do some breeders have better, quality control measures?

At the grocery store you get an occassional egg with blood in it, but the eggs all go through a "candeling" proccess and are screened before packaged, so it doesn't happen often compared to the 1000s of eggs each day.

Do breeders inspect what they throw in those packs, or are the seedbanks crushing them?

I recently inspected a 5 pack of TGA ceeds. They all look large, dark brown and striped. Real nice looking (I haven't germed them yet)
I also just germed 5 DNA 91 Krypt. They are in the medium now and awaiting sprouts. They all germed and grew tails in 36 hours.

I germed (well tried to) 5 Alphakronik Snowdawg BX ceeds. When I inspected them I knew I was in trouble before I started. Two were cracked, one was little and white, and two appeared relatively normal. I germed them and of course the cracked ones swelled, but no germ protruded, but I planted them all anyway.
10 days now and only one has risen to the suface.

My point is when we speak of trust and reputation, doesn't that apply as well to the quality of the ceeds you are sent to start with?
I don't mean the strain living up to it's claims, but recieving potentially viable ceeds before you ever start.

I have noticed that some breeders ceeds always arrive in good shape, germ well and sprout easily.

If the ceeds are all mostly being packaged at the source, why are they including some ceeds that are visibly damaged or little tiny pale ones?

I think that speaks volumes to a breeders integrity as well.

Yeh, it's a crap shoot with ceeds, but I have noticed I would rather roll the dice with some than others.

 

[lilroach]

I've had several orders from different breeders, and there's been one constant quality breeder....Dinafem. All have germinated and grown to be healthy plants. They don't tend to over-sell their seed's potential either, and their descriptions of their product are fairly accurate.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

I am going to be looking at them soon.

I have had good success with Bomb ceeds, all of them germed and popped.

I have grown,

Cali-conn
Positronics (two strains)
Bomb
TGA
DNA
Delta 9 (free sativa mix was crap)
CH9 (one freebie but I am still running clones)
Alphakronik
Dutch Passion
Rare Dankness

Of all those, DNA and Bomb were the only packs that all germed. I am waiting on 91 Krypt to sprout as we speak.

Correction: The Dutch Passion all germed and sprouted 5 beautiful hermies 6 weeks in flower.

 

[Mr. Outdoors]

AND THE WAITING BEGINS, soon I will be camped out by the mailbox.....lol.. Dont think ive been this excited since the first time i fired up the lights....

1. Dinafem Blue Widow
2. Barney's Critical Kush
3.Bomb Cherry Bomb
4.Greenhouse Train Wreck

 

[Jogro]

I have a question and thought in the spirit of this thread.

When you recieve ceeds, say in the breeder's packs, are they packed by the breeders, or the ceedbanks?
I always assumed they were packed by the breeder.

If they're in the breeders packs, they're packed by the breeder.

Breeders are supposed to inspect each ceed (usually by hand, but I think Greenhouse has a machine that does it for them), and reject ones that look non-viable or damaged. This is basic quality control.

Do they all do this, or do a perfect job at it? No. Sometimes immature ceeds or damaged ones slip by. Of course its possible for ceeds to be damaged during handling AFTER they've left the breeder, though good breeders use crush-proof packaging making this difficult.

In some cases, I wouldn't put it past unscrupulous ceed bank employees to swap out viable ceeds for damaged ones, keeping the good ones for themselves or resale.

I always inspect my ceeds with a 30x magnifier before germination.
I have noticed many times in a pack of 5-10 ceeds, that some will be cracked, damaged, or just white little immature ceeds.

Certainly a good idea, but lets say one ceed looks pale or the shell is cracked. Are you just going to throw it away without even trying to germinate it? Of course not. You spent too much for the ceeds, and trying to germinate it takes minimal work or expense. You might as well, since some of these will still germinate.

As a minor side point, ceeds from the same mother plant can have different phenos, just like plants. So just because one ceed looks different than its siblings doesn't necessarily mean its less likely to be viable.

How do these obviously dud ceeds end up in so many packages? Do some breeders have better, quality control measures?

Yup.

My point is when we speak of trust and reputation, doesn't that apply as well to the quality of the ceeds you are sent to start with?

Yup.

If the ceeds are all mostly being packaged at the source, why are they including some ceeds that are visibly damaged or little tiny pale ones?

Laziness and/or greed are pretty simple explanations. Hand inspecting thousands of ceeds is hard work.

Note that some breeders don't actually produce their own beans. They breed the lines, lend their name, then subcontract the actual production to third party growers. They're still responsible for their own brands quality control, of course, though they may not personally have caused lapses.

 

[george xxx]

Im not naive and as I understand that the numbers they give are in perfect environment, perfect grow, etc. Is that what you mean by bullshit? Or are you saying the the Numbers are just plain lies?

Please don't take this wrong!
You may be a great person I'd like to have as a friend?
Truth is you are NAIVE

Even if you had a perfect environment for growing you are missing a basic fact of life.

Advertisements attempt to dazzle you with brilliance or baffle you with bullshit!!!

On this planet there is no such thing as truth in advertisement.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

AND THE WAITING BEGINS, soon I will be camped out by the mailbox.....lol.. Dont think ive been this excited since the first time i fired up the lights....

1. Dinafem Blue Widow
2. Barney's Critical Kush
3.Bomb Cherry Bomb
4.Greenhouse Train Wreck

I am curious about Berry Bomb
Should be pretty good smoke.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Just go pick up anything from Sannies shop and you will be pleased.

Also, there are many experienced folks on here dropping solid knowledge. A lot of bullshit advertising. Lab testing isn't standardized. This means that it isn't useless but probably should be taken with grains of salt and it's better to use one source for testing and comparisons between sources is useless. I'm pretty sure many times the THC % listed is pulled out of thin air.

Bomb seeds has many fans on this site. I've been told there's a thread devoted to them but I haven't ever found it.

Barney's has some good lines I'm sure but they also have some really really shitty lines like Tangerine Dream.

I can vouch for Sannies never letting me down. Mr Nice seeds Black Widow is outstanding. PeakseedsBC has good gear for cheap.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

All seeds require selection, but some of the more stable lines require less. Sugar Punch for example based on my experience is guaranteed to give you a great quality plant every time. Some obviously better than others but that's expected. All great quality smoke. Other lines can possibly give similar quality but will take much more selection, and of course quality is subjective somewhat as well. Not everyone wants the same thing.

Whereas Black Widow required a lot more selection. But you can find similarly great plants (in their own right, there is a definitively more indica influence to most of the best phenos I found of black widow, i found some nice sativa phenos but IMO not in the same league as Sugar Punch which felt much more sativa dominant with just hints of indica influence). I ran an entire pack of Black Widow as really that`s what you should do if you can. Run as many as possible. It`s the only way to find the very best. Some Black Widow plants were not all that great and would be somewhat disappointing if it were the only seed I had run.

Most lines, the math indicates about 5% will represent the very highest quality.

Big breeders run hundreds of plants if not thousands to find great plants to work with. And the really knowledgable ones also self those plants to find out the level of variation (less = better for breeding purposes).

They also will cross them and run the progeny. This process is time consuming as all hell and resource intensive. Practically speaking, as a result, most marijuana lines lack stability. They might breed true for only a couple of characteristics, and some won`t even do that.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Never worry about the breeders description, its a guideline to tell you what is possible but its not very likely. the fact is though, critical kush is extremely easy to grow, yields very well and its very strong. What the actual numbers are? no clue, but i can tell you in 15 years of smoking, this is in my top 3 without a doubt!
I will have to agree with whoever mentioned about the strawberry cough though.. it is listed as low thc but what an amazing smoke that was! it also said it was a low yielder but i got some good weight off of my strawberry cough when i ran some.
strains that are easier to grow will usually produce more potent smoke for the simple fact being it wasnt stressed as much. thats why im worried about my jack herer! this biatch clawed up within two weeks of veg and stretched out like a mofo
doesnt seem to clone very easily either but ill have to pay extra attention to her and get her into tip top shape cause this is one strain ive been looking into for a while as well as my god bud ive got going as well

Gotta dial back that N for the sativas. I`m still working it out personally, not easy to grow compared to the indica doms.

I will say the outdoor organic run I`m doing is kicking ass though and taking names and I have a bunch of sativa dom out there, so I might go that way next run for my sativas.