help! hash making question

[VladFromOG]

looking good greenghost! beauty bubble, lovely color. does look like you should've pulled the seeds before running the oil, maybe left it in the butane less (is a bit green), but frankly the extra plant lipids shouldnt hurt ya, just lowers the potency a tinge. as long as it tastes good ^.^

 

[greenghost420]

thanks vlad! i appreciate the kind words! its an awesome amber when in thin film but when thicker you see the green tint. it smelt of the flowers until the purge was done. then has a nice floral smell and taste. much better than smoking the flowers for sure, only problem is 1.5 back from 30 grams used. im thinking less seeds=more flowers=more yeild and more quality. also no sparking or sizzle. great purge job without vacuum. wish i could pass it to you...

 

[VladFromOG]

What method did you use? Butane trickle through pipe, or jar/thermos soak method? I usually get 7.5-9g using the jar soak method and some low grade medicinal buds, 4-5 using the wild uncultivated herb that grows in the woods here, but they arent very seeded. You're right that sensimilla produces much more cannabinoids, when the plant is late into its flower and still unpollinated, it puts out a crazy amount of sticky in an attempt to grab any pollen it can, so it stands to reason that seeded pot would have less. If the seeds are contaminating it with lighter lipids then removing them will result in less final extract of greater purity. Personally I dont mind contamination with lighter oils, they tend to bring a lot of flavor that purer extracts just dont have. I find vacuum to make little difference except that its speeds up the process, unless youre trying to whip up some foam out of earwax, then its handy. As long as you cure it a long time, its all gravy.

 

[greenghost420]

i did the trickle thru the pipe, but net time i am gonna do the soak method just to see.

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Bubble hash will get more weight but extract less total cannabinoids. BHO will extract all the cannabinoids (jar method, not tube method), but will result in less weight because it isnt extracting extra plant material, like bubblehash.

I agree with Frenchy that most BHO in dispernsaries is made by folks whose first priority is profit, thats why these folks use impure butane like vector and mislabel their extracts with "brand names", but for the home maker, you just cant get any purer than a home BHO extraction (assuming you find and test clean butane), and a BHO extraction will rupture cell walls and extract all the cannabinoids, whereas a bubble hash extraction just breaks off the trichomes from outside the plant, and ends up being 20-30% plant material, so you end up not only with a impure extract, but some cannabinoids are left behind when youre done.

That said, I like ice bubble hash, the taste is nice, and back when I was smoking a really enjoyed it above the other types of physically extracted hashes. Im not ragging on bubblehash, just noting that it isnt as efficient an extraction method.

What I would do if I were you?

I'd make the bubblehash, then dry the leftover processed weed, and make BHO out of that, to squeeze out the last little bit of cannabinoids and to have a nice vaping stash as well as a nice bubble stash.

The biggest difference that you are totally forgetting between these 2 methods is that with ice water or dry sieve you keep the trichomes and the resin intact, when you use BHO you DISSOLVE the trichomes.
Do you know what happens exactly during that transformation????? How much change at the molecular level is happening???
Do I want to get all when I sieve? the answer is NO! I just want the best trichomes and yes I guess you can say that I am waisting good trichomes. Well you should have seen what we left for the goats in India, season after season.
I may be a little too focussed on quality and care less for quantity, or getting it all.
I may have seen too much

 

[VladFromOG]

I'm not saying you're wasting trichomes, just cannabinoids. marijuana contains cannabinoids inside the cells, not just on the trichomes. I'm confused about your rant about the stuff you leave for the goats - it seems to have nothing to do with bho or the conversation. moreover, butane is unreactive. zero chemical changes occur when cannabinoids are exposed to butane. you say you are focused on care, and quality, and care not for quantity, and again, this seems unrelated to the conversation because bho is purer than bubble and yields less (because it is pure with no plant matter) so by that argument you should be pressing bho.

I'm consistently amused when people insist their non-lipid-only, plant matter filled extractions are somehow purer and more concentrated than extraction methods that only pull out cannabinoids. But seeing as how English is not your first language, I urge you to look up butanes chemical properties in your native tongue, so you can see for yourself more clearly what I'm talking about. good luck!

 

[greenghost420]

i tried pressing i bit of that bubble in my palm,but no success in pressing. i will try again when i make more. this time i think im gonna run 100 grams maybe 120. my bags were dirty the first time,so im curious how much better they will run this time.

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

I'm not saying you're wasting trichomes, just cannabinoids. marijuana contains cannabinoids inside the cells, not just on the trichomes. I'm confused about your rant about the stuff you leave for the goats - it seems to have nothing to do with bho or the conversation. moreover, butane is unreactive. zero chemical changes occur when cannabinoids are exposed to butane. you say you are focused on care, and quality, and care not for quantity, and again, this seems unrelated to the conversation because bho is purer than bubble and yields less (because it is pure with no plant matter) so by that argument you should be pressing bho.

I'm consistently amused when people insist their non-lipid-only, plant matter filled extractions are somehow purer and more concentrated than extraction methods that only pull out cannabinoids. But seeing as how English is not your first language, I urge you to look up butanes chemical properties in your native tongue, so you can see for yourself more clearly what I'm talking about. good luck!

Purer the better, I have heard that often enough. I prefer Cognac to 99% proof alcohol personally, all a question of taste and palate I guess
You are not talking much about terpenes, is it because you do not have much left at the end of your extraction or do you not know their value?
The "rant" about the goats was just to give you an idea of how much more interested I am in quality than what is left over on/in the plant. Butane is unreactive but it DOES dissolve the trichomes, we do agree on that I hope. Do you think the resin does not go through some changes and loss when that happens?
I hope I kept you amused

 

[VladFromOG]

butane dissolves the lipids from the trichomes, not the trichomes themselves. it also bursts the cell walls and pulls all the secondary cannabinoids contained within. it also grabs the terpenes and essential oils at the same time. you are confusing "dissolve" with "react". if you dissolve table salt in water, nothing is changed, and when you evaporate the water off you are left with the same table salt. the same is true of when you dissolve any substance in any solvent, and its true of cannabinoids and butane. I drink everclear and 151 when I do drink, but I get what you're saying, which is why I posted earlier that I enjoy bubbles flavor better, but your conception of what a butane extraction does and what solvents in general are are quite off. I hope this has been informative. for more info, search wiki for "solvents" and "reagents" to get an idea of extraction vs reaction. have a great day.

 

[VladFromOG]

greenghost, you should be able to press that if you wrap it into a bundle in some tan unprinted grocery bag plastic and press under light heat briefly, like a clothes iron on lowest without steam, or on the metal stovetop while oven is on

 

[greenghost420]

im thinking if i used a 73 bag in between id have much better chance at pressing. i held in my palm for 30 mins+-, and it wasnt as crumbly. wasnt enough good n sticky triches. more than likely loaded with stalks and broken heads. but when removing the seeds the bho was much better! was still lil greasy but barely. everyone was shocked when told they are blazing midgrades turned oil. was very floral. about to do another bho run using the leftovers in the mason jar that stuck to the sides and another 40gs. i wrapped my mason jars in wet facecloths and froze them. should def bump up my yeild and cutdown on the butane evaporating off during the process. 1st time i got about 2 from 30gs, 2nd time got 2.5 from 40g. going for the gold on this one lets hit 3.5!! on my next harvest i will without a doubt be making the biggest cannoli i can prob around 3 gram cannoli lol

 

[greenghost420]

also 91 iso fucking sucks. leaves a white film after. hoping to score some home made shine of this dude and be set with some alcohol.

 

[WarMachine]

also 91 iso fucking sucks. leaves a white film after. hoping to score some home made shine of this dude and be set with some alcohol.

Yeah luckily with the 91% the white film is water. Safeway sells 99% ISO. Moon shine would pretty ideal though.

 

[greenghost420]

i meant to comeback n post about that white film... i scraped it up and tested it and surely was water residue, my last wash with 91 iso was good actually. i am asking around for moonshine atm...

 

[WarMachine]

i meant to comeback n post about that white film... i scraped it up and tested it and surely was water residue, my last wash with 91 iso was good actually. i am asking around for moonshine atm...

Nice,I used to use 91% all the time, your right, it does make a good concentrate. Id love to use moonshine but the person I know doesn't make it high enough percentage sadly.

 

[greenghost420]

can u distill it down to higher %?

 

[greenghost420]

i was gonna distill my 91 iso to try to get 99

 

[qwizoking]

No it forms an azeotrope that's also the reason for the white film...it foes away when completely dry

 

[WarMachine]

You should be able to distill it,I don't see why not. People used to do the salt trick with 70% ISO, should work with 99% ISO in theory..

 

[qwizoking]

Ill help you.....the definition of azeotrope "is a mixture of two or more liquids in such a way that its components cannot be altered by simple distillation."

"Because distillation cannot separate the constituents of an azeotrope, the separation of azeotropic mixtures (also called azeotrope breaking) is a topic of considerable interest. [2] Indeed this difficulty led some early investigators to believe that azeotropes were actually compounds of their constituents. [1]"