Why are conspiracy theorists so dumb?

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Padawanbater2

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Yes, it is an ad hominem argument. You are completely dismissing all the evidence and failing to support your claims and instead focusing the attention on me.
I presented evidence, and you refuse to acknowledge it. I'm afraid millions of saved lives disagree with you on that one. A mathematical analogy of this situation would be me telling you 2 + 2 = 4, and you insisting 2 + 2 = 5, over and over again, even after I show you a dozen different times and draw it out in crayon.

Like I said, it is relevant to the conversation.

Do you enjoy talking about quantum mechanics with 6 year olds or would that probably be a big waste of time?


Until you, or anyone, including doctors with PhD's, can prove that vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease... you have nothing.
What would you accept as proof?

Don't say something vague like "anything that can show that vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease", because I already showed you that and you didn't accept it, so be specific
 

jtprin

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I presented evidence, and you refuse to acknowledge it. I'm afraid millions of saved lives disagree with you on that one. A mathematical analogy of this situation would be me telling you 2 + 2 = 4, and you insisting 2 + 2 = 5, over and over again, even after I show you a dozen different times and draw it out in crayon.

Like I said, it is relevant to the conversation.

Do you enjoy talking about quantum mechanics with 6 year olds or would that probably be a big waste of time?




What would you accept as proof?

Don't say something vague like "anything that can show that vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease", because I already showed you that and you didn't accept it, so be specific
You provided WHAT evidence? The Wikipedia sentence that had no references? That's not evidence and it's laughable that you would even think it is. Stop beating around the bush and support your claims already. You are telling me that vaccines have directly saved millions of lives and eradicated disease... well, where is your evidence?
 

curious2garden

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Your sources do absolutely nothing to disprove the notion that fluoride can calcify the pineal gland.
Sources! You have no clue the difference between primary, secondary and tertiary sources.

Calcification of the pineal is considered wnl. If you would have bothered to read what I linked it would have explained that. But possibly you do not understand statistics? Problems occur when the pineal does not calcify.

Again I posted primary you posted wing nut bullshit. CHECKMATE.

Again if you had bothered to read the article you would see that for your specious argument to work that calcification of the pineal would have to be linear as long as you were exposed to flouride. So explain the parabolic fitting for menopausal women. Please explain that and how your argument holds in that case.

Sigh... children..... Now go to the library and ask the librarian to tell you about attribution and stay VERY VERY far away from science. Your professors will not just tell you to piss of they will fail you.
 

jtprin

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Sources! You have no clue the difference between primary, secondary and tertiary sources.

Calcification of the pineal is considered wnl. If you would have bothered to read what I linked it would have explained that. But possibly you do not understand statistics? Problems occur when the pineal does not calcify.

Again I posted primary you posted wing nut bullshit. CHECKMATE.

Again if you had bothered to read the article you would see that for your specious argument to work that calcification of the pineal would have to be linear as long as you were exposed to flouride. So explain the parabolic fitting for menopausal women. Please explain that and how your argument holds in that case.

Sigh... children..... Now go to the library and ask the librarian to tell you about attribution and stay VERY VERY far away from science. Your professors will not just tell you to piss of they will fail you.
Can't get more delusional than that. I cannot open PDF's on my computer, but are you saying that it's a good thing to have your pineal gland calcified? Besides, there are TWO types of fluoride, calcium fluoride and sodium fluoride. Calcium fluoride is natural and sodium fluoride is what is added to tap water and toothpastes.
 

neosapien

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Can't get more delusional than that. I cannot open PDF's on my computer, but are you saying that it's a good thing to have your pineal gland calcified? Besides, there are TWO types of fluoride, calcium fluoride and sodium fluoride. Calcium fluoride is natural and sodium fluoride is what is added to tap water and toothpastes.
You can't open PDF's? What are you using, a commodore 64?
 

Padawanbater2

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None of those links have any evidence regarding vaccines directly eradicating any disease. I can tell you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about by the fact that all you did was go to different vaccine Wikipedia pages. Isn't it ironic how you demand I explain things in my own words and then all you can do is copy and paste Wikipedia links?

As I said, like talking quantum mechanics with a 6 year old...

What will you accept as evidence if not the very explanations and history of each vaccine?

There is nothing you will accept, because you are completely unwilling to change your position, that's why when I present evidence, you dismiss it. So tell me, what will you accept as evidence? Make sure it's something that is providable.
 

jtprin

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As I said, like talking quantum mechanics with a 6 year old...

What will you accept as evidence if not the very explanations and history of each vaccine?

There is nothing you will accept, because you are completely unwilling to change your position, that's why when I present evidence, you dismiss it. So tell me, what will you accept as evidence? Make sure it's something that is providable.
That's a cop out because you cannot find anything credible. What will I accept? Scientific data that proves that vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease. Not an assumption that completely neglects improved living conditions, but solid, hard-core evidence that vaccines are solely responsible for the eradication of any disease.
 

Padawanbater2

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That's a cop out because you cannot find anything credible. What will I accept? Scientific data that proves that vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease. Not an assumption that completely neglects improved living conditions, but solid, hard-core evidence that vaccines are solely responsible for the eradication of any disease.
The history of smallpox extends into pre-history; the disease likely emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC. The earliest credible evidence of smallpox is found in the Egyptian mummies of people who died some 3000 years ago. During the 18th century the disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year, including five reigning monarchs, and was responsible for a third of all blindness. Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.


During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year. As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year. After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in December 1979. To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox


1900-1999 = 300-500 million deaths
1950's = 50 million cases
1967 = 15 million cases
1979 = eradication, 0 cases

During that same period

China - Rates of overweight and obese adults increased 12.9% in 1991 to 27.3% in 2004
Iran - In Iran the prevalence of obesity was 26.3% in 2008. Prevalence of obesity was more among women (39.5%) than men (14.5%)
Japan - A 2008 report stated that 28.6% of men and 20.6% of women in Japan were considered to be obese







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So people consumed far less nutritious food and got far less exercise

Tell me again how smallpox was eradicated by natural remedies..
 

jtprin

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The history of smallpox extends into pre-history; the disease likely emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC. The earliest credible evidence of smallpox is found in the Egyptian mummies of people who died some 3000 years ago. During the 18th century the disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year, including five reigning monarchs, and was responsible for a third of all blindness. Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.


During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year. As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year. After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in December 1979. To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox


1900-1999 = 300-500 million deaths
1950's = 50 million cases
1967 = 15 million cases
1979 = eradication, 0 cases

During that same period

China - Rates of overweight and obese adults increased 12.9% in 1991 to 27.3% in 2004
Iran - In Iran the prevalence of obesity was 26.3% in 2008. Prevalence of obesity was more among women (39.5%) than men (14.5%)
Japan - A 2008 report stated that 28.6% of men and 20.6% of women in Japan were considered to be obese







Netherlands





So people consumed far less nutritious food and got far less exercise

Tell me again how smallpox was eradicated by natural remedies..
How the hell do obesity rates have anything to do with proving vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease? And as I've already shown, smallpox still exists today, it's just called monkeypox. You know, the disease that has the exact same symptoms as smallpox and is clinically indistinguishable.
 

burgertime2010

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Complete fail

96.3% is not the same

Chimpanzees are 98% genetically identical to humans, are you the same as a chimpanzee?


You know this % when genetics are concerned is a misleading argument. LIFE shares an alarming percentage.....period. The differences are subtle in terms of the way we normally respect gathered data. When it comes down to it.....the code is shared. However, the nuance is what makes the game special. Yes I am the same as a chimpanzee..more than any other non-human, is that surprising?
 

guy incognito

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That's a cop out because you cannot find anything credible. What will I accept? Scientific data that proves that vaccines are directly* responsible for the eradication of any disease. Not an assumption that completely neglects improved living conditions, but solid, hard-core evidence that vaccines are solely responsible for the eradication of any disease.
*Must not be funded by the US government, drug company, or university (all clearly in big pharmas pocket)
*Any evidence that actually shows a decline/eradication of any disease is clearly falsified, or they are mistaken and calling a disease by a different name'


I called this pages ago. Any evidence against vaccines is good. Any evidence for vaccines is part of the conspiracy, and is really evidence against vaccines. There is literally no evidence you can produce that won't get twisted. There is already plenty in this thread.

Also just because something produces the same symptoms and is "clinically indistinguishable" doesn't mean it is biologically indistinguishable, as you have already admitted. But again, it just becomes another part of the theory.
 

guy incognito

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You know this % when genetics are concerned is a misleading argument. LIFE shares an alarming percentage.....period. The differences are subtle in terms of the way we normally respect gathered data. When it comes down to it.....the code is shared. However, the nuance is what makes the game special. Yes I am the same as a chimpanzee..more than any other non-human, is that surprising?
How is it misleading at all? I understand that 96.3 is not the same as 100. What is so misleading about that?
 

guy incognito

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How the hell do obesity rates have anything to do with proving vaccines are directly responsible for the eradication of any disease? And as I've already shown, smallpox still exists today, it's just called monkeypox. You know, the disease that has the exact same symptoms as smallpox and is clinically indistinguishable.
You claim the decline in smallpox was directly related to better water and nutrition and NOT the vaccine.

Pad is claiming the opposite. The fucking president got polio. Did they not sterilize the presidents water?

He is also showing that the severe decline in small pox happened simultaneously with an increase in obesity. Did better access to clean water and nutrition cause an increase in obesity? If the nutrition is available and people are choosing to not eat correctly (and get obese and get heart disease - like they are doing) then why did small pox get eradicated?
 

curious2garden

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You can't open PDF's? What are you using, a commodore 64?
I know and I like the part where I'm delusional without his reading MY source! He is such a genius he doesn't know that he can use google to read inside a pdf without a pdf reader installed. This guy is just troll. All he is is insult and attack. But it sure rolls the post count for google ranking LOL.

Oh and IF he's in college he is NOT a science major LOL!
 

guy incognito

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I know and I like the part where I'm delusional without his reading MY source! He is such a genius he doesn't know that he can use google to read inside a pdf without a pdf reader installed. This guy is just troll. All he is is insult and attack. But it sure rolls the post count for google ranking LOL.

Oh and IF he's in college he is NOT a science major LOL!
He is not interested in actually checking sources out. All the information he needs is on naturalnews.
 
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