Its not paranoia!!!

Indoor Sun King

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Sun Tzu wrote 'The Art of War'. One of my favourite sayings generally attributed to Miyamoto Musashi but originating from Sun Tzu says "Keep your friends close,but keep your enemies closer" ;)
Actually it wasn't Sun-tzu ...he said, "Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorious".

Micheal Coreleone did say that in the movie, it was attributed to being told to him by his father Vito.

The actual origin of the quote was from Machiavelli in "The Prince" which is the definitive primer for how to be a dictator.
 

kratos015

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You need cameras my friend, asap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881523034

I know you're in the UK and I'm not sure if they ship there, but if they do get this right now. And I mean right fucking now. Wherever those kids keep hanging out, just stick a camera there. You'll have 3 more on top of that as well, that's one for the driveway, one for the front door, and one for the hallway your grow room is in. Or place them wherever you feel would be best, these things are amazing though. You have no idea how awesome it is for me to simply look to my left to see four different perspectives that I could only see if I went to those locations myself.

Back when I grew outdoors, this 4 channel system actually saved me from two attempted break ins to my green house. Both times I saw them on camera and ran out there to chase them off. My room has no view of the backyard, so without these cameras I would have been ripped for sure! I swear though, this will be the best $130 you spent in your life, aside from a dog (which I also recommend you get) having a surveillance system is the next best thing. There's nothing quite like looking at 4-16 cameras all at different views, if that's not a way to ease your paranoia then I don't know what is :P

To make it even better, you can buy a $10 ethernet cable on Amazon and plug the cable into your router on one end and the surveillance DVR into the other end. What this will do is allow you to record the video feed straight to your hard drive. I delete my videos about every week or so and they record on 15 minute intervals and they never stop recording. It's the most amazing thing ever and it even gets better. You can download an app for your iPhone or Droid and you can view the cameras from ANY location on your phone. If I get paranoid while I'm out shopping, I just pull out my phone and see that everything is alright. Another nice thing about the cameras is the information thing I was getting into earlier. You'll be able to see if they have weapons or not, if they do you can be gone before they even get to the door! Or, if they're unarmed you can ambush them since you know where they're at but they don't know where you're at.

As for getting ripped, here's a little info to put your mind at ease. It is pretty unlikely that a burglary on your grow will end in violence. I mean think about it, the cartels and gangs grow their own product. It's far too much effort and not to mention risk to keep robbing people for your supply. Not only that, with how many people that grow now the odds of them being better than you are pretty slim so there's no reason for any scary people to have any motivation to come after you unless you're selling on their turf or something :P The only thing you have to worry about here are opportunistic criminals, i.e. punks and teenagers. Both times I caught people they were kids no older than 16, some even looked 12-13. They thought that I wasn't watching the cameras and that they could just come in at 1:30am because I was asleep or something. In any other case they would have been correct. These kids saw an opportunity and went for it. This is going to be the only problem you have to face. So getting a dog and some cameras up will deter a few of these opportunistic criminals, however you'll still have the kids that think you aren't watching the cameras or something. Don't worry too much, they are kids and kids have a tendency of thinking their immortal. This way if something were to happen you'd at least have evidence that you'd be able to use in a court of law (after you ditched your growing equipment of course :P)

Oh and one last thing, here's something called an IR illuminator for your cameras. This way at night, it'll add to the vision of your cameras and since it's infrared it's pretty much like having a floodlight that only YOU can see on camera! And they look like cameras to the untrained eye so that's another plus!

Best of luck with you my man.
 

District

Active Member
Kratos that was very helpful man thanks. Moneys abit tight right but I will have a good long think on it.
 

Y0da

Well-Known Member
Actually it wasn't Sun-tzu ...he said, "Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorious".

Micheal Coreleone did say that in the movie, it was attributed to being told to him by his father Vito.

The actual origin of the quote was from Machiavelli in "The Prince" which is the definitive primer for how to be a dictator.
Always willing to be corrected, thanks Sun King :)
 

Y0da

Well-Known Member
You need cameras my friend, asap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881523034

I know you're in the UK and I'm not sure if they ship there, but if they do get this right now. And I mean right fucking now. Wherever those kids keep hanging out, just stick a camera there. You'll have 3 more on top of that as well, that's one for the driveway, one for the front door, and one for the hallway your grow room is in. Or place them wherever you feel would be best, these things are amazing though. You have no idea how awesome it is for me to simply look to my left to see four different perspectives that I could only see if I went to those locations myself.

Back when I grew outdoors, this 4 channel system actually saved me from two attempted break ins to my green house. Both times I saw them on camera and ran out there to chase them off. My room has no view of the backyard, so without these cameras I would have been ripped for sure! I swear though, this will be the best $130 you spent in your life, aside from a dog (which I also recommend you get) having a surveillance system is the next best thing. There's nothing quite like looking at 4-16 cameras all at different views, if that's not a way to ease your paranoia then I don't know what is :P

To make it even better, you can buy a $10 ethernet cable on Amazon and plug the cable into your router on one end and the surveillance DVR into the other end. What this will do is allow you to record the video feed straight to your hard drive. I delete my videos about every week or so and they record on 15 minute intervals and they never stop recording. It's the most amazing thing ever and it even gets better. You can download an app for your iPhone or Droid and you can view the cameras from ANY location on your phone. If I get paranoid while I'm out shopping, I just pull out my phone and see that everything is alright. Another nice thing about the cameras is the information thing I was getting into earlier. You'll be able to see if they have weapons or not, if they do you can be gone before they even get to the door! Or, if they're unarmed you can ambush them since you know where they're at but they don't know where you're at.

As for getting ripped, here's a little info to put your mind at ease. It is pretty unlikely that a burglary on your grow will end in violence. I mean think about it, the cartels and gangs grow their own product. It's far too much effort and not to mention risk to keep robbing people for your supply. Not only that, with how many people that grow now the odds of them being better than you are pretty slim so there's no reason for any scary people to have any motivation to come after you unless you're selling on their turf or something :P The only thing you have to worry about here are opportunistic criminals, i.e. punks and teenagers. Both times I caught people they were kids no older than 16, some even looked 12-13. They thought that I wasn't watching the cameras and that they could just come in at 1:30am because I was asleep or something. In any other case they would have been correct. These kids saw an opportunity and went for it. This is going to be the only problem you have to face. So getting a dog and some cameras up will deter a few of these opportunistic criminals, however you'll still have the kids that think you aren't watching the cameras or something. Don't worry too much, they are kids and kids have a tendency of thinking their immortal. This way if something were to happen you'd at least have evidence that you'd be able to use in a court of law (after you ditched your growing equipment of course :P)

Oh and one last thing, here's something called an IR illuminator for your cameras. This way at night, it'll add to the vision of your cameras and since it's infrared it's pretty much like having a floodlight that only YOU can see on camera! And they look like cameras to the untrained eye so that's another plus!

Best of luck with you my man.
RS (radioshack) or Maplins might have the cameras
 

new2420grow

Active Member
A few folks have mentioned a dog. That is actually a really good idea. My 130 pound German Shepherd i had, kept many a folk from stepping out of their car. Of course, the ones that did get out, quickly found out he was a big baby, more scared of his own shadow then anyone ever was of him, as long as he could stay between them and me. I haven't replaced, but again, I'm in a fortunate living situation, besides, NO ONE knows I'm growing but my gal pal. She's the only person that even knows I occasionally smoke. Even with pictures, the LEOs that know me would hesitate to believe I grew or smoked. But, I digress...Dog=damn good idea IMO
 

ThorGanjason

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Yeah man a dog is the absolute best protection you could ever get. They deter people better than a gun will. Not to mention, sometimes having a gun can cause more problems.

And the cameraa-- I think all growers should invest in this. I mean come on, were growing a plant whose flowers are worth their weight in gold, and it happens to be ILLEGAL (still for most). I mean, a camera seems like one of then first things you should get after you've paid for everything you need for the grow.

My Buddy was showing me his setup the other day, you can get a 1 camera setup (non wireless, you have to run a cord and there aren't any bells and whistles like remote viewing) for 60 bucks. I'm totally getting a camera, in this day in age they are a must.
 
you already said one of the dudes slings herb. do the math they aren't scoping you, you are scoping them, they prolly figure you looking to catch them and drop the dime. sheesh stop staring at people and perceiving such nonsense - I used to know a guy like you all squirrelly and shit, we disowned him as it was pretty obvious it would take the cops one slap to get him talking and 5 more just to shut him up again.... sorry to be rude but if you've not the nerves to do a little painless discreetly growing you should probably take up a new hobby, like spying on weed dealers and pretending they are watching you instead of the other way round :-) peace
 

District

Active Member
you already said one of the dudes slings herb. do the math they aren't scoping you, you are scoping them, they prolly figure you looking to catch them and drop the dime. sheesh stop staring at people and perceiving such nonsense - I used to know a guy like you all squirrelly and shit, we disowned him as it was pretty obvious it would take the cops one slap to get him talking and 5 more just to shut him up again.... sorry to be rude but if you've not the nerve to do a little painless discreetly growing you should probably take up a new hobby, like spying on weed dealers and pretending they are watching you instead of the other way round :-) peace
I dont think you are sorry for being rude but maybe you've still got issues with that prick you invited into your inner circle. Maybe if you were more paranoid that wouldn't have happened. I dunno the kinda dealers/people you know but round here no ones gonna get caught buy someone looking of there window occasionally least me since none of these said dealers/people are friends of mine. As for the nerve to grow check the numerous all female all lush and green plants I have growing presently. A whole heap of first timers cant get a plant passed two weeks veg ive got 18 in flower. Plenty pics too should you not believe me. Not seen anything from you Arthitseesder apart from this bullshit post. And the question begs asking why would I spy on weed dealers if I supply them. I would say peace but since I dont bullshit ill just say I look forward to your response.
Regards
 

Shivaskunk

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If you've told no one have no smell and no business with these guys yes..I promise it's just paranoia.

I used to run a very large grow...I'd hop in my truck and drive around for hours if I heard a helicopter ect ect....you just gotta learn to not worry about perceived shit...now if you sell weed to these guys..they know where you live...then I'd scrap my grow..but since is is your first grow ...you ain't sold em shit...just try not to worry so much...18 plants is small time.
 

burgertime2010

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I have made window boxes that appear from outside to be lamp light. I set them on timers and it was a done deal. Leave music on too.
 

LetsGetCritical

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You know, we used to get all sorts of fucking morons carrying on around here, even a few weeks ago some kid tried to break into our elderly neighbours house in the middle of the night. So I went and bought a security camera and duel 150w motion activated spotlight. I sleep in the loungeroom with the dog anyway so I can see whats going on. now if they do start they soon shut up with 300 watts and a camera on them. :) This might not be appropriate for your situation I just felt like rambling,.
 

JEDI~GROWER

New Member
You know, we used to get all sorts of fucking morons carrying on around here, even a few weeks ago some kid tried to break into our elderly neighbours house in the middle of the night. So I went and bought a security camera and duel 150w motion activated spotlight. I sleep in the loungeroom with the dog anyway so I can see whats going on. now if they do start they soon shut up with 300 watts and a camera on them. :) This might not be appropriate for your situation I just felt like rambling,.
Yo crit chk ur thread....
 

District

Active Member
QUOTE=Shivaskunk;9468663]If you've told no one have no smell and no business with these guys yes..I promise it's just paranoia.

I used to run a very large grow...I'd hop in my truck and drive around for hours if I heard a helicopter ect ect....you just gotta learn to not worry about perceived shit...now if you sell weed to these guys..they know where you live...then I'd scrap my grow..but since is is your first grow ...you ain't sold em shit...just try not to worry so much...18 plants is small time.[/QUOTE]

Never been so glad to hear im a small timer. Just to clarify I would NEVER sell on my own doorstep, the worlds small enough.
 

District

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LetsGetCritical;9468761]You know, we used to get all sorts of fucking morons carrying on around here, even a few weeks ago some kid tried to break into our elderly neighbours house in the middle of the night. So I went and bought a security camera and duel 150w motion activated spotlight. I sleep in the loungeroom with the dog anyway so I can see whats going on. now if they do start they soon shut up with 300 watts and a camera on them. :) This might not be appropriate for your situation I just felt like rambling,.
No as soon as I get a a return security measures are coming. Iron gate door and looking at cctv. But no dog.
 

burgertime2010

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Put fake blood on your knuckles, exit your car in a frenzied state, punch something and say fuckers. I have a cattle prod with 2.3 million volts by the door...it is a truly menacing device, the sound alone is enough. Get creative, bluff em and hide your valuables really well. Make some ringers, decoy bags full of chloroform, or use a Scooby-Doo trap, yell to people on the phone, buy a gun case and take it everywhere, bring out a dog crate with a recording of a baby crying on loop inside it, sharpen stuff in public, read Islamic texts, wear crocs and jean shorts, blast evangelical AM radio when you leave, flirt with them, fingerless gloves maybe, drink water out of a rubbing alcohol bottle, set up a tripod and camera and film them everytime you see them for as long as they can take it, invite them to a drive in movie, make their spot smell like old Mackerel, Throw Bologna slices in an ambush setting, King cobras always work, ask Gods' forgiveness for terrible acts from the apex of the roof then take a shit off of it. Case them right back. Write "I see you too"on a vibrator and jam it in their exhaust, wear your black belt in public. I really am the wrong person to ask.
 
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