Total Noob using teas and I am a believer

[GandalfdaGreen]

So my plan has been keeping the ph at high 6.5's to low 6.6's and to supplement with the lower recommended dose of CaMG+ every watering. Sound like a fix?

 

[st0wandgrow]

Gandalf, I had something very similar a while back before I started making my own soil. I bought the General Organics line up but didn't add any of the CaMg+ the first few feedings because the stuff smelled like pungent vinegar, and I figured it would do more harm than good. After seeing some of my fan leaves spotting like yours, I clued in a bit and started adding it in at the recommended dose and the problem cleared up within a couple weeks.

Not sure if you're having the same issue, but it sure looks similar.

 

[CoreyATX420]

You guys with your oil... I actually got into smoking some again HOLY BALLS I FORGOT HOW STRONG IT IS. Been a while all the oil I make has been destined for medicinal use by friends. Aside from swallowing a gel-cap with some oil (thanks Myco for that one it was GREAT), it really has been a while.

I have to say this: Currently in a very 'high' state of mind naturally. Didn't need the oil as medicine for my head this time, it was purely recreational. I advise extreme caution with hash oil if your head/body doesn't NEED it... Personally I am likening it to eating MAOI's or other anti-depressants when you are in a sound state of mind. We have gone far beyond reefer with this. It is not to be taken lightly. Cannabinoid psychosis is real and this stuff can bring one really damn close.

It is POWERFUL stuff indeed. Strong medicine. And with strong medicine, only take it when you need it, or the risk is run of making something beneficial turn ugly. Tasty and awesome as it is, this is for times when I am down, or perhaps Sundays if the whole week went well. Definitely learned to not get into it too often. Funny how taking a break from it was needed to realise this. Looking back, there is a lot of lost time that would have been very productively spent if I'd opted to toke the flower instead of the dab...

yeah i kinda agree Hamish. I love errl, dabs, shatter , concentrates in genera, call it what you will. synthesis , extraction , and chemistry in general are an interest of mine. I dab almost every day. But there are those times I just dont even want any oil because I am non functionable ( well safely anyways). but like myco said sometimes its good for quick strong effects. Ive been using meds for severe anxiety, adhd, and to further ease the scoliosis pain in my back. But a few of those issues would not need THAT much cannabanoid power, ya digg?

 

[CoreyATX420]

btw gandalf looks very similar to an issue i had with PH being too high and then adding organic calmag. made my PH go to shit ... and I honestly never was able to figure out definitevely what happened. also looks like could be multiple symptoms , but looks definitely to be in the area of PH issues / mineral issues. Im personally throwing away the general organics cal mag I had. seems really weird, but it lowered my PH dramatically, almost fucked up a girl for me. Now just GH calmag because it really does raise PH according to feeding recomendation to the T . and my favorite... topdressing with dolomite lime. never fails me

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Found these today Gandalf check it out brotha!Tricarboxylic Acids / Organic Plant Acids
Just how important are organic acids?

In 1966 J.C. Noggle reported a correlation between yield and concentration of organic acids in plants. Nutrient treatments which increase organic acids also increase yields. Is it possible to increase yield by adding acids to a plants environment? The answer is a resounding "YES!" for soil media, soil-less media, and hydroponic systems.
Why organic plant acids?

The two most obvious requirements for cell maintenance and growth are a source of energy and a source of carbon skeletons for higher plants. Both the energy and carbon skeletons are supplied by the reactions of the Tricarboxylic Acid cycle. In any plant tissue, the amount of acid varies with phase of development and environmental conditions. The limits of variation are the types of acid accumulated are genetically controlled.
Respiration represents largely the metabolism of Tricarboxylic Organic Acids in a series of biochemical reactions: Accumulating mineral ions; Oxidation of food occurring in living cells; Synthesizing fats; Proteins, sugars, and other compounds; Maintenance of protoplasmic structure; cell division. Organic acids that serve as respiratory intermediates are derived from carbohydrates occupying a metabolic crossroads between fats, protein, and carbohydrates.
Plant roots secrete carbon dioxide gas, carbonic acids, and organic acid into the soil where carbon dioxide gas is absorbed by the surrounding plant acids. The combination of gas and acids are then transported to the aerial parts of the plants, which contributes materially to the total carbon dioxide assimilation of plants. The relationship between acid metabolism, carbon dioxide fixation, and ion uptake by roots runs parallel with total photosynthetic assimilation. Many plant tissues can metabolically fix carbon dioxide from the atmosphere in a non-photosynthetic process involving organic acids, while carbon dioxide fixation in leaves involve organic acids.

In summary, Tricarboxylic Acids overwhelmingly aid in:

• Mineral metabolism
• Nitrogen metabolism
• Energy to drive metabolic processes
• Fat metabolism
• Carbohydrate metabolism
• Amino acid metabolism
• Carbon dioxide fixation
• Overall plant growth Its a product here locally called cornucopia plus If you'd like me to send ya some please ask I got your back!

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

here's the plus line I am impressed with these acids!

 

[Steelheader3430]

Hey gandalf I got the same looking thing going on and just found these. Now its on! Damnit. Google searched mite eggs. Any advice guys? These are on my seedlings. The leaves on one also got thick and brittle with brown spots. Stupid nutes, stupid me. I gave em a minuscule amount of ff grow big. I don't see any mites just milky microscopic orbs. I'm going to check the big girls now the lights are on. Well I did see some of the same on the bigger plants but no bugs. Could I be seeing the oil glands?

 

[Mad Hamish]

So my plan has been keeping the ph at high 6.5's to low 6.6's and to supplement with the lower recommended dose of CaMG+ every watering. Sound like a fix?

Yup, simple tweaks, bit by bit, that sounds right to me. Baby steps, I believe in baby steps when taking action with this kinda thing indeed. You're a wise man and your instinct with you herb is beyond belief. This problem won't be around for long I just know it.

EDIT: Steelheader, a good fix for eggs is Neem Oil, totally organic and you can spray it safely even in flower. Use as a preventative measure by spraying some under the leaves once a week up to week 3 or 4 of flower. Canola oil in a suspension with water will also smother the eggs before they hatch. You only need about 30 to 40 MILLILITRES per LITRE of water. A few drops of normal dish-soap will help it disperse a bit better also. When using oils, remember to SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE all the time while spraying!

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

Hey gandalf I got the same looking thing going on and just found these. Now its on! Damnit. View attachment 2786319 Google searched mite eggs. Any advice guys? These are on my seedlings. The leaves on one also got thick and brittle with brown spots. Stupid nutes, stupid me. I gave em a minuscule amount of ff grow big. I don't see any mites just milky microscopic orbs. I'm going to check the big girls now the lights are on. Well I did see some of the same on the bigger plants but no bugs. Could I be seeing the oil glands?

No reason to give the Grow Big. These could be trichs on the leaves. I am not sold on the spider mite thing but Hamish is spot on. A preventative spray is a good idea if you think these are mites. Could you post up more pictures from the undersides of the leaves? We'll get through this bro.

Thanks for the words Hamish. I really appreciate the support.

 

[Steelheader3430]

I will after work thing is there's nothing to see. I think they are the trics. But my microscope freaked me out. It's a whole new world. Thanks guys.

 

[Steelheader3430]

Well I got some neem oil, still havn't used it yet as the big girls are still sleeping. I can't see any bugs yet. I'm wondering if maybe the spotting and dry cracking breaking leaves on the one seedling is a cal/mag issue. It is really only affecting one of the seedlings so I might not have messed em up with the grow big. I'll leave it alone anyways. I used it cause the coty's were turning yellow and I thought it would progress. These are both ak48 but look so different. Even the growth rate is contrary.The leaves on the jacked up plant are breaking and feel dry. It also has more of the milky orbs than the other.

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

Tell me about your water again. ph? ppm?

 

[Steelheader3430]

Well water, ph strips look to be 6.5-7, ppm I have no idea, not really sure what that means. The orbs are definitely spider mite eggs after some searching on the internet. So I'm gonna spray em with the neem mix. I'm not really surprised I'd get some kind of bug living in the rain forrest. I put a screen on my air intake but God only knows where they came from.

 

[Mad Hamish]

There is a sure-fore way to check for spider-mites, trust me in South Africa it is our enemy number 1 by far. Take your thumb and forefinger, lightly touch them to either side of a leaf, and rub the leaf ONLY ONE WAY and only once. When the finger touching the bottom comes off, it will have blood-like smears on it, and the leaf will have it also.

Spider Mites usually leave the top of the leaves alone completely. They are incredibly soft-bodied insects and shy away from the harsh light. And you will guaranteed see them before you notice eggs. They breed at a rapid rate, and grow very fast too. With the kind of photography you used for the 'spots' a spider-mite will be there clear as day mate.

I'm not too sure about the mites. I say go down the rabbit-hole Gandalf is leading you on. Parameter by parameter, explore everything.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Well water, ph strips look to be 6.5-7, ppm I have no idea, not really sure what that means. The orbs are definitely spider mite eggs after some searching on the internet. So I'm gonna spray em with the neem mix. I'm not really surprised I'd get some kind of bug living in the rain forrest. I put a screen on my air intake but God only knows where they came from.

Hang on... Rain forest?? You Brazilian bro? If so, I am an avid collector of plants with certain properties. There are some seeds I need from Brazil that I want fresh as possible. May I PM you about such topics? I would much appreciate it indeed!! We have lots of family in Brazil, my wife's American uncle, and her in-laws (my brother in law married a Brazilian girl) but it is a HUGE country and none of them are even close to the area said seeds can be found...

 

[Steelheader3430]

Nope not brazilian. But that would be cool. Their women are awesome! those pics i took off the internet, they are what I'm seeing except I haven't seen any bugs. Just the eggs. I used the neem oil on em all. Smells like shit too. Pm me anyways there maybe something for you where I'm at too.

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

A quick update on what has been going on. Things are running nice. I have figured out the cause of the Ca/leaf issue. My ph pen was off by .35. I would have known this had I used one of the other 2 pens I have. I had calibrated them a month ago but my guess is that testing the teas has really mucked them up. I cleaned them, re calibrated them, and stored them in fresh storage solution. I know not to take things for granted in this game. I am a bit pissed at myself but from now on I will clean, calibrate, and replace storage solutions weekly. At least I know the cause. Me. The Kali Mists are all looking awesome. I have a few phenotypes and they all seem really happy at the moment. The Kali Bubba just started to kick into flowering a few days ago. She is well behind any of the Kali Mists and I wonder what that means. She is a beast though. She looks very much like the KMs. Very Sat dom. I am keeping a special eye on my 2 Breeder's Boutique Engineers' Dreams. They are from a female cut off the DevilsHarvestSeed's female of Casey Jones that took 3rd place at the HTCC (year unknown). Casey Jones x TGA's Deep Purple x Querkle. I promise pictures tonight. They are really leaning towards the Deep Purple x Querkle father. I have never run TGA before so this is pretty cool for me to get such cool examples. They are both nice looking but one of them is a keeper for sure. I have clones of both that are really healthy. My Organic Hydro experiment still lives on in total neglect and very low lumens. They are tall whisps of despair looking for attention. They are all alive and look green without a blemish. It really is the "easy" way to go. I just tea them up, bubble the res 24/7, foliar tea them, and forget about them. It works. I am embarrassed of them but I will show their health tonight.

I have been reading a ton of stuff on organics lately. I really like the posts and threads from Rrog. He is a wealth of knowledge. A really cool guy too. I am learning about some really awesome ways to increase soil health thus increasing plant quality. We have some cool things to get into. How many of you guys have read the book Teaming with Microbes?

 

[st0wandgrow]

A quick update on what has been going on. Things are running nice. I have figured out the cause of the Ca/leaf issue. My ph pen was off by .35. I would have known this had I used one of the other 2 pens I have. I had calibrated them a month ago but my guess is that testing the teas has really mucked them up. I cleaned them, re calibrated them, and stored them in fresh storage solution. I know not to take things for granted in this game. I am a bit pissed at myself but from now on I will clean, calibrate, and replace storage solutions weekly. At least I know the cause. Me. The Kali Mists are all looking awesome. I have a few phenotypes and they all seem really happy at the moment. The Kali Bubba just started to kick into flowering a few days ago. She is well behind any of the Kali Mists and I wonder what that means. She is a beast though. She looks very much like the KMs. Very Sat dom. I am keeping a special eye on my 2 Breeder's Boutique Engineers' Dreams. They are from a female cut off the DevilsHarvestSeed's female of Casey Jones that took 3rd place at the HTCC (year unknown). Casey Jones x TGA's Deep Purple x Querkle. I promise pictures tonight. They are really leaning towards the Deep Purple x Querkle father. I have never run TGA before so this is pretty cool for me to get such cool examples. They are both nice looking but one of them is a keeper for sure. I have clones of both that are really healthy. My Organic Hydro experiment still lives on in total neglect and very low lumens. They are tall whisps of despair looking for attention. They are all alive and look green without a blemish. It really is the "easy" way to go. I just tea them up, bubble the res 24/7, foliar tea them, and forget about them. It works. I am embarrassed of them but I will show their health tonight.

I have been reading a ton of stuff on organics lately. I really like the posts and threads from Rrog. He is a wealth of knowledge. A really cool guy too. I am learning about some really awesome ways to increase soil health thus increasing plant quality. We have some cool things to get into. How many of you guys have read the book Teaming with Microbes?

Yes he is. A wealth of knowledge, and always willing to help. I've probably learned more from him about growing marijuana than any other person I can think of ..... and he doesn't get involved in the RIU pissing matches that I just can't seem to steer clear of.

 

[prosperian]

I agree, Rrog is the man! Very influential on how I grow.

 

[mycomaster]

We are all usually the cause of our own problems, but you were able to catch it, and straighten it out. Back on track, and ready to do their thing. I've noticed that sats can do weird things like slow down quite a bit in flower, and then rapidly do their thing,a nd then slow, and repeat this process through flowering. Hamish runs alot of sats, and can probably tell you the same thing. They're almost always worth it in the end though with those lovely cannabanoid profiles, Mmm Mmm Good! It's cool you found a keeper Engineers Dream, what a find. I'll be waiting intently on a smoke report on her. I've heard of Teaming With microbes from a couple of places now, and will have to pick a copy up. Let me know if it's a good read, have heard it is. Peace and Love.