Need some Experts to take a look...

[zoslick]

Can anyone here tell me whats going on with my seedling? I've grown over 10 plants but have never seen this kind of growth before.

Some details:

Strain: Chrystal from Nirvana Seeds
Feminised
Germinated in distilled water for 48 hours
Planted in regular soil rated at pH 6.5 (also the same soil I used for my previous Wappa plants)
Watering: pH adjusted to 6.5 from regular tap
Lighting: 55watt CFL @ 7000k
Lighting period: 24 hours non stop
Germ Date: August 14
Plant Date: August 16
Current number of days in soil: 5

The seedling didn't grow until the 2nd day (approximately 48 hours until its head sprung out), then it grew a little the 3rd day, and hasn't grown since. The tip of the plant looks dark and flaky, the CFL light is approximately 3-4 inches away from the plant. No heat felt at that distance from the back of my hand.

Can anyone point out what the problem is? Or am I just too anxious?

Thanks!

 

[MircalGrow]

There is defiantly a problem, looks like it is rotting from the cyo's (can't remember how it's spelled) Lol I start in a seedling started soil.

"Planted in regular soil rated at pH 6.5 (also the same soil I used for my previous Wappa plants)"

Do you mean you re used old soil or that you used the new but same kind?

If you re used soil and did not flush it properly there could be some extra nutes in the soil and she is burning up?

 

[zoslick]

There is defiantly a problem, looks like it is rotting from the cyo's (can't remember how it's spelled) Lol I start in a seedling started soil.

"Planted in regular soil rated at pH 6.5 (also the same soil I used for my previous Wappa plants)"

Do you mean you re used old soil or that you used the new but same kind?

If you re used soil and did not flush it properly there could be some extra nutes in the soil and she is burning up?

Thanks for the quick reply. As for the soil, its totally new, just the same series of soil I've used before. Definitely not a nute burn, have not fed them nutes.

 

[MircalGrow]

Man I have no clue, that was my best guess. My next would be over watering since it looks like rot kinda. (prolly unlikely)
Could be just a bad gene presenting itself also I guess, since it just popped, it's almost to early for anything to cause the problem I would think?

Bump Bump, anyone else with more knowledge than I want to help this guy out?

 

[Bublonichronic]

Soil does look really wet, but u can try to separate the cyo things with tweezers or a toothpick or somthin, that sometimes helps if there is a piece of the shell or somthin keepin It closed

 

[zoslick]

Man I have no clue, that was my best guess. My next would be over watering since it looks like rot kinda. (prolly unlikely)
Could be just a bad gene presenting itself also I guess, since it just popped, it's almost to early for anything to cause the problem I would think?

Bump Bump, anyone else with more knowledge than I want to help this guy out?

Im also thinking it might be a bad seed... but then again, I'm still kinda giving it some 'hope' that it will flourish...

Soil does look really wet, but u can try to separate the cyo things with tweezers or a toothpick or somthin, that sometimes helps if there is a piece of the shell or somthin keepin It closed

The soil is wet because I misted the plant prior to taking the photo. I think I'll try to remove the 'burnt' flaky part at the top... I looked closely and noticed there was something waiting to come out... not sure if i was too high at the time but there was definitely a glimmer of hope. Thanks for your suggestion. Hope it works!

 

[HeartlandHank]

Did the seed fully open to a pair of cotlydon (two little leaves)? Or is that a pic of the cotlydon trapped?

Whatever the situation... try seed starter mix next time. (peat/perlite/vermiculite) much better for starting seeds than soil.

Did it ever look like this? Or has it never opened?

 

[zoslick]

Did the seed fully open to a pair of cotlydon (two little leaves)? Or is that a pic of the cotlydon trapped?

Whatever the situation... try seed starter mix next time. (peat/perlite/vermiculite) much better for starting seeds than soil.

Did it ever look like this? Or has it never opened?
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It never opened at all! From the looks of it, it seems like the cotyledon's have dried up and fallen off (just looks like it, I maybe wrong)

 

[HeartlandHank]

Ah, ok... I forget the name of it... but there is a piece that gets stuck on the cotlydon and holds them together... forget the name, but it holds the nutes that seedling uses early on..

It might be too late.. but what you do is carefully remove that piece from the tip... after you remove it, the cotlydons will unfold and look like the sprout you are going for... might be too late, but it definitely isn't coming off on its own at this point.

It never opened at all! From the looks of it, it seems like the cotyledon's have dried up and fallen off (just looks like it, I maybe wrong)

 

[HeartlandHank]

I have some seeds sprouting right now... the early risers already opened but when one of the late ones come in i'll take a few pictures and show you how to do it. Won't help this one, but for next time..

In an ideal situation, as the sprout rolls out of the media it knocks this piece off... You get a higher rate of that when you plant at the proper depth and the direction.

I just half ass lots of seeds and say fuck the ones that don't make it... but I'm lazy like that.

 

[ProfessorPotSnob]

Damn helmet liner wont come off aye lol .. A quick incision will take care of this , often just a toothpick will work for manipulation .

 

[zoslick]

I have some seeds sprouting right now... the early risers already opened but when one of the late ones come in i'll take a few pictures and show you how to do it. Won't help this one, but for next time..

In an ideal situation, as the sprout rolls out of the media it knocks this piece off... You get a higher rate of that when you plant at the proper depth and the direction.

I just half ass lots of seeds and say fuck the ones that don't make it... but I'm lazy like that.

Thanks for the heads up! Seems like I still have a lot to learn... never knew that this would happen. Much thanks for your tips and support! I'll see if I can remove it ASAP when i get home tonight. I hope its really not too late...

 

[zoslick]

Damn helmet liner wont come off aye lol .. A quick incision will take care of this , often just a toothpick will work for manipulation .

haha, Helmet Liner... thanks for the tip! Will try to get it off if its not too late!

 

[Uncle Ben]

If I'm seeing your seedling from the top down correctly, it looks like it has fallen over suggesting pythium rot has gotten into it. If the trunk has a dark watery appearance right at the soil's surface....it's toast.

The cotyledon(s) definately looks like fungus rot has taken over.

Soak the seed until it sinks (12 hours should do it) and then plant it (no more than) 1/2" deep in soil that has some weight to....like sand. Don't use light, pure humus type soil. As the cotyledons grow upward they will be in a position (downward pointing) whereby the friction/tightness of the soil will remove the seedcoat.

If you have valuable seeds, then make sure your soil is sanitized by heating it to 170F internal temp and hold it there for about 20 minutes. Monitor the internal temp with a probe thermometer. Microwave or regular oven is fine. Do NOT overheat or you'll carbonize the organics - not good.

UB

 

[zoslick]

If I'm seeing your seedling from the top down correctly, it looks like it has fallen over suggesting pythium rot has gotten into it. If the trunk has a dark watery appearance right at the soil's surface....it's toast.

The cotyledon(s) definately looks like fungus rot has taken over.

Soak the seed until it sinks (12 hours should do it) and then plant it (no more than) 1/2" deep in soil that has some weight to....like sand. Don't use light, pure humus type soil. As the cotyledons grow upward they will be in a position (downward pointing) whereby the friction/tightness of the soil will remove the seedcoat.

If you have valuable seeds, then make sure your soil is sanitized by heating it to 170F internal temp and hold it there for about 20 minutes. Monitor the internal temp with a probe thermometer. Microwave or regular oven is fine. Do NOT overheat or you'll carbonize the organics - not good.

UB

I tried separating the cotyledon with a toothpick, it seems as though it was stuck together and didn't open. The outer shell felt really crispy so I put it back under the light... hoping for a miracle but I highly doubt this seedling can be saved. But much thanks for your tips and advice.

I'm germinating a new seed as we speak and hopefully this time it would be ok. But the strange thing is the new seed will not sink to the bottom of the cup. I've tried poking it a few times but it always floats back up. I'm gonna give it another day and hope it germs! The first seed, after placing in a cup of water, would sink immediately... I think probably the seed was a dud? Any idea?

 

[HeartlandHank]

the new seed will not sink to the bottom of the cup. I've tried poking it a few times but it always floats back up.

They do that. Usually about 60% of my seeds sink within the first hour... The rest are a little more stubborn. That does not make them duds..

I just sort of poke at it and send it under water over and over. Every so often, just come back and do it again.. Eventual;y it will sink.

As I understand it... what sets a seed in motion to begin growing in to a plant is moisture reaching the inside of the seed. So, when the seeds sinks, you can be confident that the seed is in motion to grow.
I do not recommend actually germinating in the water...

 

[scunkworm]

I've always used the paper towel with grate success but on this grow with my autos I put them in a cup of water out of the tap and within 2 days they sprouted lovely so I would recommend this way to people, my seed didn't even sink to the bottom for the frist day until I push it down and it just went straight to the bottom and poped. hope this helps abit with your next go.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I tried separating the cotyledon with a toothpick, it seems as though it was stuck together and didn't open. The outer shell felt really crispy so I put it back under the light... hoping for a miracle but I highly doubt this seedling can be saved. But much thanks for your tips and advice.

I'm germinating a new seed as we speak and hopefully this time it would be ok. But the strange thing is the new seed will not sink to the bottom of the cup. I've tried poking it a few times but it always floats back up. I'm gonna give it another day and hope it germs! The first seed, after placing in a cup of water, would sink immediately... I think probably the seed was a dud? Any idea?

If after a 12 hour soak it still floats, it's a dud. Contains an air pocket, not an emybryo. Soaking a seed should be used to hydrate it, not germinate it.

Here's my archive on the proper way to germ a seed but more importantly what happens after the seedcoat splits.

Germinating Cannabis Seeds (for Bio Growers)

Your seedlings will be alot better off if you germinate directly in soil - less handling and mechanical disturbance means less chance of physical damage to the plant's taproot (and roothairs) and less food reserves used to position itself due to the natural hormonal influence called Gravitropism - that spells seedling VIGOR.

This is my foolproof method for Cannabis Seed Germination in soil:

First, if harvesting seeds from my own crosses, I air-dry newly harvested seeds for a couple of weeks, and then store them in the refrigerator with a little rice. Cold-treatment seems to increase viability and germination rates, especially with indica-dom strains. I almost always get a 100% germination rate with quality seedstock.

Soak the seeds in plain water for at least 12 hours prior to planting to hydrate them, which will speed up germination. In general, good seeds will sink, bad seeds will remain floating (they contain air, not an embryo). I first sterilize seeds in a bleach solution (1 Tbsp. bleach/1 gallon of water) for 1/2 hour to kill any fungus residing on the seedcoat. Dump the sanitizing solution and top off your glass with clean water, you do not need to rinse those seeds.

Sterilize enough *damp* fine soil with heat to germinate all of your seeds. You can do this by treating the damp soil to temps of (no more than) 200F for 20 mins in a conventional oven, or in a microwave oven on high for 2 minutes, while stirring a couple of times, or pouring boiling water thru the mix. Your goal is to get and hold the entire soil mix's temperature at 170F to 180F for about 20 minutes which can be monitored with a probe type thermometer. Let the mix cool thoroughly. This will insure that damp-off fungus spores have been killed in the soil mix. Make sure the soil mix is light and humusy (not real coarse). You can add a little sand or vermiculite to aid in drainage and weight. Stay away from perlite, it has a nasty habit of floating out of the mix (if you do indeed need to water later).

Buy some white 20oz styrofoam "drinking glasses", commonly called "Styro-Cups", and punch holes in the bottom (and side bottom) for drainage. I use a red-hot ice pick for this. These containers are 6 1/2" tall and will allow ample room for the taproot to grow before cotyledon emergence which will increase your seedling's vigor. The taproot (radicle) is already at least 4" long at the point of emergence - don't restrict it in order to maximize seedling growth rate. Styro-Cups can be found on the shelf displaying picnic items at your local grocery store.

Fill the pots almost to the top with your soil mix, water well to settle the mix, take a pencil and make a small hole about 1/4" to 1/2" deep, NO deeper, and drop *one* seed in. Cover the seed with *fine* soil, only enough to top up the hole, firm lightly with your finger, and lightly water until water runs freely thru the drain holes. Place in a warm spot around 80F/26C. Do NOT cover the cup with saran wrap or anything else. The seed has been hydrated from the soaking and will germinate soon. This container should not require further watering until the seedling is up and running.

During the first couple of days, mist the top soil surface lightly if need be, never allowing the top to crust over, but not to the point that the medium stays waterlogged which will invite pythium rot. "Less is more" at this point. Do NOT water this pot any more until the seedling is up, and only if it needs it at the point of emergence and do NOT mist the seedling once it is up as you're inviting damp-off disease if you do. Again, no need to cover with plastic wrap as the radicle (taproot) will grow at least 4" before the cotyledons emerge from the soil. IOW, even though you can't see it, the plant's root is seeking and finding moisture at the container's lower soil levels. I cannot emphasize this enough. The seedling will emerge anywhere from 2 to 10 days from the time you sow it.

That's all to it! With good care, your faves will be ready to transplant within 1 to 2 weeks, and will easily slip out of the "cup" with a solid rootball that will never know it's been disturbed if potted up gently and quickly. Move up to a final pot of 3 to 5 gallons to sex and finish.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben

 

[dunn7314]

When i germ i take reg tap water and place it in a cup in my grow room pr where ever i will b growing them after a couple of hours the water is room temp and put my seeds in and cover so they are in darkness i leave them there for no longer than 24 hours some will sink some need a push n some dont sink at all also some have a small taptoot n some dont a plant them all regardless and had 100 percent success. I also tried the paper towel method bit it doesnt work for me i guess its what u find is best for u its like 2 identical grow rooms dont run the same way just my opinion

 

[Rangerfield]

Ive had this issue before, the thin ''membrane'' from inside the seed hasn't come off like it should. I used a water dropper(spray bottle, to mist might work also) but i got the cotyledons wet and very carefully used a toothpick to remove the thin, clear "membrane''. Be careful as there wont be many roots at this stage to hold it in the soil...I learned the hard way by pulling the whole thing out of the medium.