Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Situation420]

Is this the dumbasses only thread or am I lost.

 

[Doer]

Is this the dumbasses only thread or am I lost.

You are lost, because only a dumbass can say that. They come here seeking knowledge. They know not what they do. They relish the dark mind influence, though they like it not. So, they call, from the dimness, for our help.

 

[Doer]

Science is not for that, sophist. You Luddites need to get a smattering of the basics. Sci. is to dis-prove a hypothesis. Not kidding. An honest sci. is like this.

H - Pure Water can freeze at several temps.
E -Control everything including the temp of the water. Run the experiments until there is a statistically significant sample size. Math work.
R - Pure water cannot be made to freeze at any but one temp if all the other variables such as pressures, light, etc are controlled.

So, if you look at medical trials, something I know too much about, this is how it works. First, does it harm? Second, does it work? Third, does it work in humans?

So, sam, it is your Luddite tendencies that make you ignore reality.

It is frequently claimed that GM foods are not properly tested, or asserted that few independent studies have been published to establish their safety. Another similar claim made is that the food regulatory agencies rely exclusively of corporate information to decide whether GM food and feed are safe. The further claim is made that very few independent tests relating to GM food safety are done. This conventional 'wisdom' is wrong. The modern scientific literature shows that these commonly held opinions are merely myths. Academics Review website comprehensively shows that many of these myths are merely baseless rumors and misinformation.

Currently there are near 600 peer-reviewed reports in the scientific literature which document the general safety and nutritional wholesomeness of GM foods and feeds.

Note also that by December 2010, 15 years, 81 projects, 400 teams and at least €70 million had been spent by European Union taxpayers on issues relating to GMO safety or GMO acceptance. (This is documented in December 2010 at another GMO Pundit posting, and is described at a comprehensive European commission website.).

A summary report on this major project is available as a pdf file:EUROPEAN COMMISSION 2010 A Decade of EU-funded GMO research

So how does it feel to be the Dup, boys? The hippies are manipulating your emotions like the wannabe warlords they are.

 

[Doer]

Doesn't anyone realize that the population of the world has only been able to get as big as it has because of genetically modified food in the first place? NO one in this entire thread has touched on the logistics of world hunger and the reason why we are even able to support the current global population in the first place. Geez why is everyone so narrow minded

Umm....fact not in evidence. Would you care to submit some links to a peer reviewed study in a real Journal that speaks to that?

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

This is nothing but a spamming thread for the natural news. Reported as spam.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Doesn't anyone realize that the population of the world has only been able to get as big as it has because of genetically modified food in the first place? NO one in this entire thread has touched on the logistics of world hunger and the reason why we are even able to support the current global population in the first place. Geez why is everyone so narrow minded

The green revolution was not driven by GMO nor was GMO even a part of it.

However you are right that we couldn't support the world's population* if all food production was grown organically



*not without stripping the forests bare to support extra farmland

 

[ginjawarrior]

This is nothing but a spamming thread for the natural news. Reported as spam.

Good plan Seconded

 

[Situation420]

Umm....fact not in evidence. Would you care to submit some links to a peer reviewed study in a real Journal that speaks to that?

I guess this is the dumbasses only thread, with a few exceptions.

The green revolution was not driven by GMO nor was GMO even a part of it.

However you are right that we couldn't support the world's population* if all food production was grown organically



*not without stripping the forests bare to support extra farmland

Exactly my dude, but everyone tends to focus on the small here and now than the larger scope of things. When they have to pay $10.00 for a gallon of organic milk or $5/1b for corn when the genetically modified stuff is going to be far less lets see how fast they change their opinions of genetically modified food.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

so general consensus is they are better in every way

GMO crops


so advertise it as such

what exactly are they afraid of, better in every way, easily proven with science and scientist with lab coats

im still not understanding why products are not being forced to advertise that they are GMO based . . .

nutritionalvalues are on anything and everything, would the fact that they are GMO products make them more valuable and better for oyu

its what i keep reading in here . . . i wonder why the companies are not advertising their products to recoup R/D . . .

and i keep missing the links to these 600 studies proven to show GMO food and crops are better then non GMO

could someone PM them to me

 

[Doer]

I guess this is the dumbasses only thread, with a few exceptions.

So, you don't have any evidence to support your claim that the world's population growth is caused by GMO? You and I can run these dumbasses off with a good science discussion.

I am interested in this claim because as I understand it, GMO has not increased yield except in cotton.

 

[DNAprotection]

This is nothing but a spamming thread for the natural news. Reported as spam.

Actually this has unintentionally become a good hogpen where all other RIU members can come and see sweathogs for what they are...kinda like going to the zoo...
i just toss in some feed every now and again lol...

 

[Doer]

so general consensus is they are better in every way

GMO crops


so advertise it as such

what exactly are they afraid of, better in every way, easily proven with science and scientist with lab coats

im still not understanding why products are not being forced to advertise that they are GMO based . . .

nutritionalvalues are on anything and everything, would the fact that they are GMO products make them more valuable and better for oyu

its what i keep reading in here . . . i wonder why the companies are not advertising their products to recoup R/D . . .

and i keep missing the links to these 600 studies proven to show GMO food and crops are better then non GMO

could someone PM them to me

There you go again creating that emotional straw dog. No one is afraid of the stupid hippies, we just have a duty
to curtail their lies.

My links didn't work? Try this.https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7hhP5QasNtsX1AwV2YzNnlrZTA/edit?pli=1

http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/p/450-published-safety-assessments.html

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[Doer]

The real stuff is right here where bad science is de-bunked.

http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-content/genetic-roulette/

 

[Situation420]

The green revolution was not driven by GMO nor was GMO even a part of it.

However you are right that we couldn't support the world's population* if all food production was grown organically



*not without stripping the forests bare to support extra farmland

One little fact about the green revolution is that scientists took advantage of forced mutations by exposing plants to un-natural growing environments and causing plants to exhibit traits that are not found naturally. These frankenstein plants were then bred for agriculture and sustain the booming global population. GMO is defined as "any living organism that possesses a novel combination of genetic material obtained through the use of modern biotechnology" by the Cartagena Protocol on Biosaftey so forcing these plants to grow the way they did unnaturally back in the 50's, 60's and 70's was a primitive form of GMO but is still legally classified as such.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

"Smith is actually asking the reader to believe that the FDA would approve a lethal product."

heres a snippit from the academics review . .

ya this never happens

wtf

also the first rebuttal-
Pusztai’s Flawed Claims-http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-content/genetic-roulette/section-1/1-1-pusztais-flawed-claims/



they claim he didnt submit it to them(them being the very people now reviewing it) first before publication . . .

"Science should be published in peer-reviewed literature and not on TV."-i didn't know books were published on TV

ya cause scientist and by extension science is always 100% correct and without flaw, nothing every gets proven wrong or changed over time---this infallible belief in their opinion and views must really make for great progress in the scientific community . .. . ."...if we dont believe it it probably is true . . ....." -science

and the big big fallacy on the first page of said peer review experts

"Although Pusztai travels around the globe fear-mongering about the dangers of GM crops, it is ironic that even if his study were correct, it would only prove that those specific potatoes were unsafe, and not that all GM crops are unsafe as he seems to be claiming. "

even if he was correct . . it would have only been those potatoes . . . . .makes perfect sense . .even if or when GMO potato is bad or unsafe . . it would only be that potato individually . . . .


funny how DNAprotectionact guys team of professionals sound a lot like the real scientist while debunking claims . . . . .



are their any real studies the pro GMO team can put up . . . or is it this . . . take it apart at the seems reviews of other peoples hard work(valid or not) that is all your proof that GMO's are the greatest

im not saying your lack of sources is proof of no proof.....im just still waiting to see a real study done to show nutritinal content and safety of the products . . . .it should be somewhere as a lot of GMO products are already on the market, maybe not here but somewhere with less regulations . . .

 

[Doer]

so general consensus is they are better in every way

GMO crops


so advertise it as such

what exactly are they afraid of, better in every way, easily proven with science and scientist with lab coats

im still not understanding why products are not being forced to advertise that they are GMO based . . .

nutritionalvalues are on anything and everything, would the fact that they are GMO products make them more valuable and better for oyu

its what i keep reading in here . . . i wonder why the companies are not advertising their products to recoup R/D . . .

and i keep missing the links to these 600 studies proven to show GMO food and crops are better then non GMO

could someone PM them to me

It is not considered better in every way. More emotional straw dogs. You realize you cannot discuss this rationally, right? You and dna, only speak with charged negative language of religion.

 

[Situation420]

It is not considered better in every way. More emotional straw dogs. You realize you cannot discuss this rationally, right? You and dna, only speak with charged negative language of religion.

Do you own a doomsday bunker?

 

[ginjawarrior]

so general consensus is they are better in every way

Shameless straw man

GMO crops


so advertise it as such

They do to the farmers

what exactly are they afraid of, better in every way, easily proven with science and scientist with lab coats

Again with the shameless strawman

im still not understanding why products are not being forced to advertise that they are GMO based . . .

because apart from your own hysterics there's no reason to treat them differently

The moment you can show added risk from GMO I would support you

nutritionalvalues are on anything and everything, would the fact that they are GMO products make them more valuable and better for oyu

apart from the blatant straw man Gmo matches non him nutritionally

its what i keep reading in here . . . i wonder why the companies are not advertising their products to recoup R/D . . .

Why spend money advertising when farmers will happily buy it?

and i keep missing the links to these 600 studies proven to show GMO food and crops are better then non GMO

could someone PM them to me

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[Samwell Seed Well]

OK so better is the wrong word to use, what is the right word to use when describing GMO foods attributes and reason for existance


and why is it not ok to ask for transparency in our supermarkets . . .

 

[ChesusRice]

Responding to the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] post of the OP, NO , I do not like GMO.


Imagine this , a company like Monsanto starts tinkering with Cannabis DNA genetics as legalization spreads, they eventually create strains of Cannabis that are physically addictive in the same way Tobacco plants are addictive with higher nicotine producing varieties of Tobacco. Now you have a new form of Cannabis that the world has never had before. It's not just an enjoyment, but you physically feel sick when you skip a day from getting high instead of just wishing you had some to get high.


Don't kid yourself thinking Monsanto wouldn't put their top plant geneticists on a project like that. It would ensure that a steady flow of income would come in.


Who's to say that certain genetics of the Poppy plant which has physically addictive properties couldn't be crossed with Cannabis genetics making physically addictive strains of Cannabis ? This would open all sorts of nightmares coming out of pandora's box. As many Cannabis users in the world that exist , especially in the US, it would be a guaranteed cash flow of steady ganja consumers.


I'm all for total legalization of ganja , but I am dead set against Monsanto and their GMO frankenfood bullshit. It's kind of ironic that the elite of the world that push for Monsanto refuse to eat GMO foods but want the lower classes to eat the hazardous garbage.


http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-foods/gmo-hypocrisy-double-standards/


Also - Cross breeding different species of Cannabis with other species of Cannabis isn't the same thing as injecting DNA of Poppy plant into Cannabis , or creating some type of Cannabis that has pesticide already intertwined within the Cannabis DNA such as the Round-Up Ready Corn. Some of these posters here are going to be Pro-GMO come hell or high water no matter what. I'm not posting for them but for others like myself.


Another thing though is I don;t think there is anything that can be done to stop the genetic testing of Cannabis DNA strains. I think it will come soon, so the Pro-GMO folks will get exactly what they wish for. There is something that the Anti-GMO folks can do in regards to Cannabis, start buying up seeds NOW, of as many varieties as you can get of your favorite strains. Store them well, breed seeds so that you will always have stock of Non-GMO Cannabis.


The upside to this if you start breeding your own Non-GMO seeds now and store them well is I guarantee you will find a market for them when the FrankenFood Monsanto Corporation starts meddling with Cannabis genetics !!! There will be many organic growers that will want them. There are a lot of us out there who are Anti-GMO.

Thanks for supporting my proposal to
Make marijuana legal to possess and grow
Illegal to sell

No money in it
Monsanto and the Government won't be involved