A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

[Rocketman64]

Look at all these missing leaves, they transformed into buds. Leaves are overrated.

Defoliation is an advanced technique, this thread was started by a novice in the art of defoliation.

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If you read my opening comments to get this thread going, you'll see I used phrases like 'to each his own' and 'if it works for you- go for it'. I never mentioned that I thought my way or UB's way is the ONLY way. I've been an outdoor grower from 1979 to present. Yes, I am a novice when it comes to the art of defoliating because I have never had the need to defoliate a plant under any circumstances. Indoor growing has exploded in the last decade and obviously new methods are going to be discovered. Are all new methods better? Probably not. Are some more productive? Probably. Apparently I struck a cord in this forum with this thread because the comments I'm reading are pretty divided on the topic of defoliation. I would hope we could all agree that nobody has the 'BEST' method for growing. Plenty of people have what they consider to be the best based on their experiences. My experience is in outdoor growing. I wouldn't for a minute claim I know the best way for you to grow your stuff indoors. I would hope people would give me the same courtesy as to not tell me how to grow outdoors by suggesting I trim, prune, defoliate, cut or otherwise deface my plants. Again, you do it your way- I'll do it mine. We'll both be smoking quality bud when it's all said and done. By the way, beautiful group of plants you've got there, some serious yield in that room. Congrats!

 

[Dboi87]

@Dboi87 You just went on and on man...couldn't help it. You mentioning I was in the service: That is exactly where I've seen brown nosing done to a fine art. Totally disgusting. I will be civil for now on.

But the slinging started here by Mr Roasted man of honor himself:

Sorry lol I can be a bit long winded. But I work 60 hours a week for a chemical plant so when I finally get time to post it allll comes out.

 

[HeartlandHank]

What ever happened to stoners being happy people?

Give the Toke n Talk section a try... haha.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Sorry for the prior comment if it offended anybody. It just gets a bit disgusting sometimes when I read some of these blatant brown nose, ass-kissing posts.

It gets my eyes rolling and I get a headache.

Then turn off the god damn TV. Comprehende usted?

 

[patlpp]

I don't watch much TV Crusty.

 

[lilroach]

I am a fairly new grower....until I got some solid info from someone that mirror's Uncle Ben's growing methods...and doing what Uncle Ben has shared, I"ve gone from a little over one ounce per plant to a consistent three ounces per. I stopped "pruning" or "defoliating", I used the recommended "Jack's Classic", and currently have plants topped per Uncle Ben's suggestion.

I've followed suggestions from other "experts" on here and elsewhere and while my plants seemed healthy, they don't come close to what I'm getting following UB's growing technique.

 

[HeartlandHank]

Look at all these missing leaves, they transformed into buds. Leaves are overrated.

Defoliation is an advanced technique, this thread was started by a novice in the art of defoliation.

Like I said... nice plants....
the leaves "transformed" into buds? really?
tell me more about this transformation. Please.

Have your yields increased since we discussed them a couple months ago?
Still using co2, right?

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yeah, that sounds like Arjan from GHS, the self-proclaimed "king of cannabis"

Many years ago I used to correspond with a hydro grower at the first site that I mentioned, cannabis.com. He uncovered some of the dirty laundry of the MJ biz that goes on at the Dam. Hope not to offend you but he said it's some of the sleeziest business practices he's ever seen. He and his wife were filmed during the infamous 'Pot of Gold' documentary hosted by the late Peter Jennings. They're standing in one of the coffee shops. Anyhoo......to make a long story short he didn't like Aryjan....AT ALL. Said that he bought off Cannabis Cup judges which although unethical, makes perfect sense because of this gullible crowd and the profit potential. I mean, if it's a Cannabis Cup winner it's got to be good shit man! Right? I don't have any way to verify my friend's claims even though he was a straight shooter, but that kind of crap doesn't surprise me - it's all about the money. You stand to make BIG bucks on the sale of a Cannabis Cup winner.

Having said that I'm one of those capitalist pigs but I'll make my money without stabbing someone in the back and then picking their pockets.

UB

 

[HeartlandHank]

Someone stands up to you and proves you wrong and you banter and bully like a little child. YES that is a 1 pound plant...all day long. If you new how to grow you would see that! That plant fits into a 3x3x3 space when fully mature, why? Because using a 600 watt lamp properly you only get a 3x3 footprint. Can you manipulate your plants to take up a certain space and produce a certain amount? I CAN!, Anyone can, You my friend can't because of your chip on your shoulder. I have proven you wrong, you asked for studies and I have shown you so either apologize to the masses for misinforming them and your abuse or even better shut the useless trap...I have proven to everyone your bullshit doesn't fly here anymore...move along little man.

Couple questions here, Just WHEN did you prove him wrong?
Where are these supposed studies?
::snipped::

Good luck with that... I've been hearing about these forever... the "proof" "solid research". You ask for it and then they move on.

I REALLY do want to see it.

So far, I've seen a couple threads showing some side by sides and some paragraph about some kind of peas showing increased yields from defoliation..

We have to set some kind of standard here guys..

 

[Uncle Ben]

I don't watch much TV Crusty.

Why is it that some get my points and some don't....or is this the Straw Man drills Satived was talking about LOL.

 

[Uncle Ben]

..... they don't come close to what I'm getting following UB's growing technique.

Need to address this. I don't do anything a typical commercial horticulturist would not do. IOW, when it comes to cannabis forums compared to conventional gardening techniques right is wrong and wrong is right. This place just has to make growing a weed as confusing and complicated as they can.

Having said that, if a newbie would pick up a couple of "normal" books on basic plant gardening they wouldn't be taken in by the hype and have the problems they're having. See the Plant Problems forum here....it's the same ol shit, just a different day.

UB

 

[patlpp]

I get you need your ego stroked too much and I for one will not do it.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I get you need your ego stroked too much and I for one will not do it.

Fine. Hate to pop your bubble, but you are not important to me. I really don't care what you do or think.

Now....are you through, ya fuckin' newbie pinhead?

I have had stellar results using Sensi base, better than Dyna. I've had no issues where I "Need more N" . I get the 2 gal combo for ~ 60$ and use at 3/4 strength at most. Nothing else. I am not losing any sleep over that ridiculous cost LOL .

Your time is money too bud.

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/707084-advanced-nutes-2.html#post9507865

Quick cursory glance at your posts says it all.

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/710008-make-your-own-sweet-less.html#post9513352

What do you use to get the sulphur in there ? Thanx

Ya drink it. Goes down easier with a dash of lime and coconut milk.

I can spot an AN sucker in a heartbeat......

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Why is it that some get my points and some don't....or is this the Straw Man drills Satived was talking about LOL.

i love comedy

tells us agian .. farming one of the first industries . . ever . .1000's adn 100's of years

but topping at the 3rd node to send growth auxins to lower branches forcing them to be main branches , is something you discovered . . . and then later a hack of a breeder(stole all his genetics) makes a video about it, cuase he met you or knwos you . . . . GHS is a bigger joke then your claim to dutch seeds/breeders greatness


this is more like a true greek comedy . . .

and not the kind you get in on the corner

 

[burgertime2010]

I used to think UB was such an asshole......I still do, but I used to also...................................kidding.

 

[patlpp]

Fine. Hate to pop your bubble, but you are not important to me. I really don't care what you do or think.

Now....are you through, ya fuckin' newbie pinhead?


https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/707084-advanced-nutes-2.html#post9507865

Quick cursory glance at your posts says it all.

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/710008-make-your-own-sweet-less.html#post9513352



Ya drink it. Goes down easier with a dash of lime and coconut milk.

I can spot an AN sucker in a heartbeat......

So who's talking about parsing..... My next post:

Thanks for that and for not ridiculing me buddy, Mag SULPHATE :

[video=youtube;Hy5wNeSPzfQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hy5wNeSPzfQ[/video]

I inadvertently thought of Mag nitrate, not sulfate. Notice how we kept it nice? Something your fucked-up personality is incapable of.

Why did you fail to mention that?

I am an AN user, yes. of Sensi Base. Gotta problem with that? Show me where it's ingredients are any less effective than your sacred Dyna.

Sensi:

Humic/fulvics
Aminos
Wetting Agent
1-1-2 ratio which is Perfect for bloom (provided you dont use some high ammoniacal N that takes 20-30 days for full effect.) NEED MORE N, NEED MORE N. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I have no "need more N" never. never never never
$60 a gallon bitch delivered. 3/4 strength at most. Superb Bud. I am a sucker I guess.

Where is that post of yours confirming high P foods are not needed, could it be "Big Mike" ?

 

[Sir.Ganga]

Sadly patllp it won't make a difference. I have posted 3 different studies on the subject of defoliating vineyards. Not only has he not replied but all the studies have disappeared, then I received a nasty message from a Mod DEMANDING I give UB respect or will get ousted. I posted the studies AGAIN with respect and they were deleted again! Again another message...Once you corner him watch out because that's when the RIU teeth come out.

 

[Dboi87]

Give the Toke n Talk section a try... haha.

I've actually been noticing that. Stoners are still happen as long as they don't talk about growing.

Worst topics of conversation ever: gun laws, politics, religion, and marijuana growing

 

[Dboi87]

I am a fairly new grower....until I got some solid info from someone that mirror's Uncle Ben's growing methods...and doing what Uncle Ben has shared, I"ve gone from a little over one ounce per plant to a consistent three ounces per. I stopped "pruning" or "defoliating", I used the recommended "Jack's Classic", and currently have plants topped per Uncle Ben's suggestion.

I've followed suggestions from other "experts" on here and elsewhere and while my plants seemed healthy, they don't come close to what I'm getting following UB's growing technique.

Same here. I'll post pics later of the plants pre-UB, and post UB.

 

[Vincent VonBlown]

Sadly patllp it won't make a difference. I have posted 3 different studies on the subject of defoliating vineyards. Not only has he not replied but all the studies have disappeared, then I received a nasty message from a Mod DEMANDING I give UB respect or will get ousted. I posted the studies AGAIN with respect and they were deleted again! Again another message...Once you corner him watch out because that's when the RIU teeth come out.

If that's true then there is obviously something quite wrong here...