A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

[Situation420]

Um the corn is dead and brown before harvest. Thats us farmers drying and curing in the field. If you see green corn being harvested then its one of two things:

1. Seed corn which is still picked on the ear so the drying process can be controlled to help insure a good germ set. Then its shelled and bagged.
2. The entire plant is harvested and ground up. To be put in a bunker as silage. You know fodder for feed........

LMAO ok bro, not true, and it also depends on what the corn is being grown for and what type of corn is being grown. Did you forget the obvious point that a 6 year old can point out that the corn you buy at the supermarket is still green. It is harvested that way so it ripens on the way to market ensuring quality and freshness is maintained and the plant cells are still continuing their basic metabolic cycles so by the time it hits shelves it is at its peak ripeness.

Or were you unable to find that in your google search as usual. C'mon alex you're a google whore and copy and paste your arguments right from the internet word for word and I've cited you on this before. Just let it go bro and don't chime in when you don't have any knowledge on a subject, why do you think no one liked your post? Because it is blatantly wrong.

 

[Situation420]

Oh boy oh boy... you are so barking up against the wrong tree here. I research and write for a living

Guess who pays my bills... And does your dumbass realize that those educational institutes themselves publish facts on the internet too....

So, that didn't work out well did it, and you are talking out of your ass regardless. There are way more than a 'few' sites with credible and authoritative info. I use and add to it frequently. You have proven that you are not worthy discussing any facts or research because you don't believe in internet facts. Like I said, the medium is irrelevant. 1+1=2 whether you write it on a paper or post it on a pokemon forum. That's the beauty of facts, no matter what nonsense you make up, facts remain facts.

Obviously you are not able to determine what information is credible, reliable, timely, accurate, complete, relevant, as the internet is full with facts that could have opened your eyes if you wanted it to... As I told defoliators on my side of the pond, the whole art of getting info from the internet is being able to separate the facts from the fiction. From fiction based on nonsense claims and wishful thinking like you and a few others who insist on using gimmicks and stupidity to (try to..) get more yield.

When you cite a fact that is not your own knowledge then you have to provide the sources when using that in your supporting argument. Also, out of the trillions of web pages, less than .25% are .gov, .org, .edu, or online scholarly journals or libraries etc.. I don't know about you but less than .25% is a 'few' sites compared to the overall scope of the internet.

So what was your point again?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

I decided to check out your grow journals: https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/356687-samwell-seed-well.html

I won't make this personal........but you really really really should consider Uncle Ben's suggestions.

cool story . . . . .those journals pretty much sum it all up . . where are UB's journals ? . .

and where are your journals . . . .

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Here's some pics of what Uncle Ben has done for me:

I would have more pictures....but you see.....I'm a relative newbie and had wasted my time my first couple of grows using some of the crap from the hydro store.

These plants are directly attributed to the info I got from Uncle Ben.

look like small yield

heres a closet i filled from a2600 watt grow back before i switched to vert

heres a topped out super silver pinnaple






please go on about what i need to learn from UB, the plant above we me actually proving to myself that i know how to train . . . .after UB went on with his none sense and berated me for not being his next bukkaka lover, so i did this in a journal on another site, apart of a grow contest, 5 gallon pot 230 grams . . .what exactly is UB doing for you . .

the pic above of the closet is 3.25 pounds i pulled from 5 plants . . . .all left to grow without any training . .. . . guess what i did it myself

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

UB

Me

oh and i dont claim to be a proffesional . .i actually consider myself a novice

 

[lilroach]

look like small yield

heres a closet i filled from a2600 watt grow back before i switched to vert

heres a topped out super silver pinnaple






please go on about what i need to learn from UB, the plant above we me actually proving to myself that i know how to train . . . .after UB went on with his none sense and berated me for not being his next bukkaka lover, so i did this in a journal on another site, apart of a grow contest, 5 gallon pot 230 grams . . .what exactly is UB doing for you . .

the pic above of the closet is 3.25 pounds i pulled from 5 plants . . . .all left to grow without any training . .. . . guess what i did it myself

The difference is....my photos are from a yield from one 30" plant. I got three ounces dry. I'm referring to the photos from your grow journal......what ya got there is pretty good.

My grow journal is there for everyone to see.

And all I was saying about my Uncle Ben's pics is that his theories worked for me....and I didn't need $200 of snake oil to have great healthy plants.

 

[Uncle Ben]

This thread is about "the almighty leaf", right?

Here's some pics of what Uncle Ben has done for me:

So, if you compare the burnt up, marginally productive leaves (below) with what lilroach grew, there is no comparison. If I had to guess he used/abused bloom foods and practiced another typical forum drill, flushed, and too soon.

I didn't do anything for you other than to apply common sense, but Lilroach, good on ya! The leaves are deep green and very healthy looking.

ShamWow, you, like Sit, need to STFU, listen, and embrace conventional gardening methods.

Having said that, this is what I did with a regular potting soil, custom blend, and 10 cents worth of Walmart food. This is how a plant should look (doesn't 100% of the time of course) close to harvest, with rich super productive leaves and no bronzing or burning leaves like you see in ShamWow's plants.

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And here is my typical garden for the defoliating addicts. Top lighting only, CRAMMED plants, reflective panels always adjusted/kept close to the plants. These finish out at 4 - 5' tall.

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A healthy, productive leaf feeds the entire plant. Contrary to popular (newbie) belief, budsites do not need direct light in order to develop well. That is a myth, a forum paradigm, parroted by newbs who don't know or care about botany and do not understand plant processes.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

....I never used the high P food all the way through though. It seems like common knowledge around RIU that it's not a good nute to use exclusively during flower. Someone as experienced with nutes as yourself, and active on RIU as yourself... doing a whole Dyna Bloom grow makes me suspect a strong bias, with no real intentions to succeed in the first place. Just my opinion.

You nailed it on all points. Until I started "beating" folks up years ago, they were using/abusing high P bloom foods....falling for the marketing hype, again not understanding or caring about plant nutrition. Hell, 90% of these people don't have a clue as to what their plants are receiving regarding elements. https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html

It's not the Dyna Gro, it's the grower and their choices that's the issue as you pointed out. I wish Homebrewer were here to opine. He conducted a very solid experiment using clones and the affect of different NPK ratios. He compared Dyna's 'Grow' and 'Foliage Pro' using them exclusively on a batch of clones. The high N food, Foliage Pro, produced slightly more robust plants (to my eyes and other members at Riddlem3) and a 10% yield. He has a condensed version of that study here at RIU. It's worth looking at. My last outdoor garden received nothing but a slow release 18-4-9, which I use on everything now.

Good job!

 

[Uncle Ben]

LMAO ok bro, not true, and it also depends on what the corn is being grown for and what type of corn is being grown. Did you forget the obvious point that a 6 year old can point out that the corn you buy at the supermarket is still green. It is harvested that way so it ripens on the way to market ensuring quality and freshness is maintained and the plant cells are still continuing their basic metabolic cycles so by the time it hits shelves it is at its peak ripeness.

"A 6 year old" is about right.

Sit, you can do your silly kiddie laugh all you want, but I thought I recommended you shut the fuck UP! Some of us know a bit about gardening and plant processes. You obviously don't but have the audacity to come in here and with a condescending tone, talk shit. There are certain vegetables and fruits which once pulled off the plant/vine/tree DO NOT continue to ripen! Corn is one of them. It holds its brix, sugar, for a while and then over time that sugar turns into starch. Peaches and grapes are another example. Once you get that sugar and chemistry (acids, flavoring compounds) to a certain point on the tree/vine, once harvested, it does NOT change. I grow both and I use a refractometer religiously to determine the peak of flavor, sugar, and ripeness.

Funny, measured one of my cantaloupe yesterday and it came in at a whopping 14*. Could smell the richness across the room from that fruit. I pull it when it's in a stem slip stage. Grapes are sugar sweet with a brix 22-27* at harvest. Average 23-24.

Just let it go bro and don't chime in when you don't have any knowledge on a subject,...

Excuse me?

Again......

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[lilroach]

This thread is about "the almighty leaf", right?



So, if you compare the burnt up, marginally productive leaves (below) with what lilroach grew, there is no comparison. If I had to guess he used/abused bloom foods and practiced another typical forum drill, flushed, and too soon.

I didn't do anything for you other than to apply common sense, but Lilroach, good on ya! The leaves are deep green and very healthy looking.

ShamWow, you, like Sit, need to STFU, listen, and embrace conventional gardening methods.

Having said that, this is what I did with a regular potting soil, custom blend, and 10 cents worth of Walmart food. This is how a plant should look (doesn't 100% of the time of course) close to harvest, with rich super productive leaves and no bronzing or burning leaves like you see in ShamWow's plants.

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And here is my typical garden for the defoliating addicts. Top lighting only, CRAMMED plants, reflective panels always adjusted/kept close to the plants. These finish out at 4 - 5' tall.


A healthy, productive leaf feeds the entire plant. Contrary to popular (newbie) belief, budsites do not need direct light in order to develop well. That is a myth, a forum paradigm, parroted by newbs who don't know or care about botany and do not understand plant processes.

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UB

I will admit that I pushed Phosphorus a bit too much on this plant. I don't flush.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I decided to check out your grow journals: https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/356687-samwell-seed-well.html

I won't make this personal........but you really really really should consider Uncle Ben's suggestions.

I betcha a "dollar to a donut" he doesn't have a clue, nor does he realize the value, of the elements his plants are getting.

>Canna A/B, Cannaszym, Rizotonic, Bio Boost, Canna Boost, PK 13/14, H&G Drip clean<

Let's take a look at Canna Boost, 0-1-1. It's basically NOTHING but a high priced bottle of water with little real world value. In fact, it will induce exactly what the grower should not want - premature leaf drop. Course ya gotta use half a bottle to get any "real world" effect.

Look at this marketing hype. It's the same ol shit.....aimed directly at suckers.
http://www.cannagardening.com/cannaboost

"Fuller, harder fruits
CANNABOOST is CANNA’s powerful flowering stimulator. "

Wow, that's what I need! Anything to make it harder is alright with me!

"CANNABOOST is a universal flowering stimulant; "

Universal? cool.......

"Combines perfectly with PK 13/14"

Of course...gotta sucker up for one more snake oil (only to induce necrosis and leaf drop of course). Screw the nitrogen in flowering, eh.

"CANNABOOST contains flowering compounds that assure the plant matures to its full potential. "

I likes full potentials!

"Better, stronger taste"

I knew it was coming! Looks like they got it all sussed up, yah sah! What, no Clearex? Gotta flush out all those nasty products you just used, eh?

Uncle Ben

 

[Uncle Ben]

I will admit that I pushed Phosphorus a bit too much on this plant. I don't flush.

Isn't apparent to me, not like ShamWow's plants which really got hit hard with bloom foods.

 

[HeartlandHank]

Starting to get annoyed, might get the urge to start namecalling... and some might then think that's because I felt like I had lost a debate based on valid arguments... instead of your your your... nah, nvm, I'm done.

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand

Sativied, you're kind of a dick. A pompous, condescending, arrogant, snide fellow. You kinda rub people the wrong way.

I think there is a reason that you find yourself in these situations often. I see your spats... it appears as though you have no clue why someone is replying to you with animosity
.. It has little to do with debate. It has much to do with the fact that no one likes a pompous, snide little pup yipping in the ear.

 

[Uncle Ben]

.....and the spinning and chest beating continues.

UB

Me
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/GetLiftedNW/media/DSCN3228.jpg.html

Sorry, in spite of how cool you think you are, I've got you beat hands down with this plant when it comes to volume, weight, and quality....and that's with one plant grown with little cost or effort, just stuck out in the field. You like most have never grown a sativa, nor have you grown outdoors. You don't have a clue when it comes to the excellent sativa cerebral high nor the ease and no-cost growing method I used.

4 main colas on a plant, so heavy they bent sideways in spite of all 4 colas being staked and tied up.

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2 of the main colas.

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oh and i dont claim to be a proffesional . .i actually consider myself a novice

You're just another abrasive, smart ass newb that grows typical indica mutts, sucks up to snake oil companies, dumbs down RIU and experienced growers in general.

UB

 

[taint]

Have not seen yer wheelbarrow shot in years ub...............nice to see some things never change.

 

[Rocketman64]

Here's some pics of what Uncle Ben has done for me:

I would have more pictures....but you see.....I'm a relative newbie and had wasted my time my first couple of grows using some of the crap from the hydro store.

These plants are directly attributed to the info I got from Uncle Ben.

Thanks lilroach, confidence restored!

 

[Rocketman64]

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Yummy. I can almost smell it. Scratch and sniff PC applications should be available soon by my calculations. Post this again in the near future so I can claw my way through the screen.





UB[/QUOTE]

 

[patlpp]

Can you say that you really gave your best attempt at this?
If so... i'm pretty disappointed in you pat... i remembered you being a pretty good grower about a year or 2 ago.

It's not Dyna man.. I produced killer crops with Dyna while I was using it. From the first to the last.
I'll return at some point... just playing around with new stuff.

I never used the high P food all the way through though. It seems like common knowledge around RIU that it's not a good nute to use exclusively during flower. Someone as experienced with nutes as yourself, and active on RIU as yourself... doing a whole Dyna Bloom grow makes me suspect a strong bias, with no real intentions to succeed in the first place. Just my opinion.

You nailed it on all points. Until I started "beating" folks up years ago, they were using/abusing high P bloom foods....falling for the marketing hype, again not understanding or caring about plant nutrition. Hell, 90% of these people don't have a clue as to what their plants are receiving regarding elements. https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html

It's not the Dyna Gro, it's the grower and their choices that's the issue as you pointed out. I wish Homebrewer were here to opine. He conducted a very solid experiment using clones and the affect of different NPK ratios. He compared Dyna's 'Grow' and 'Foliage Pro' using them exclusively on a batch of clones. The high N food, Foliage Pro, produced slightly more robust plants (to my eyes and other members at Riddlem3) and a 10% yield. He has a condensed version of that study here at RIU. It's worth looking at. My last outdoor garden received nothing but a slow release 18-4-9, which I use on everything now.

Good job!

That plant was from a year ago and I pulled 3.5 oz. It was 1 of 5 plants under a 600w. It is a Super Lemon Haze. What is so bad about it? It's green and all. Lacked some foliage but that is inherent with the cross, however nice and green . I used Dyna-gro Grow just like HB advocated which both of you also endorsed. I posted it as an example of UB's 4-cola topping method. (notice it was a compliment). I know all about high-P foods and shit. This was a run to see what all the hoopla was about. If I did so bad, explain what I did wrong ok? I'm very interested. So I guess I fucked up by using the nutes you guys advocate. I had no complaints other than the stretch but it does show the cool UB 4 cola thing quite well. Maybe I should stop complimenting so much.

Here is another shot with sis......... what's wrong with it ?

 

[chuck estevez]

That plant was from a year ago and I pulled 3.5 oz. It was 1 of 5 plants under a 600w. It is a Super Lemon Haze. What is so bad about it? It's green and all. Lacked some foliage but that is inherent with the cross, however nice and green . I used Dyna-gro Grow just like HB advocated which both of you also endorsed. I posted it as an example of UB's 4-cola topping method. (notice it was a compliment). I know all about high-P foods and shit. This was a run to see what all the hoopla was about. If I did so bad, explain what I did wrong ok? I'm very interested. So I guess I fucked up by using the nutes you guys advocate. I had no complaints other than the stretch but it does show the cool UB 4 cola thing quite well. Maybe I should stop complimenting so much.

Which Dyna products did you use pat? I wonder if you flowered to early. that plant has no alternating nodes. wierd

 

[sunni]

hmm you guys are your arguing ,