Scrog vs Mainline questions

sohighifly

sohighifly

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Hey RIU,Im on my second grow and after a pretty successful harvest
just using topping and no real training techniques. I am ready to get into some more advanced things.
I have been tossing back and forth between scrog and mainlining.

I know that everything is strain and condition dependent,but say 2 clones were grown in each setup
@ ideal conditions,which would produce more?

My personal setup: 5x5 tent,soil grow,organic nutes,and 600w Mh for veg. In flower using both a 600MH and 1000HPS only 2 plants.
Any input greatly appreciated.
 
Cannabidude

Cannabidude

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I think the styles are close enough it concept that you would yield close to the same if things were ran exactly the same except training. Mainling is really just a one plant Sea of Green. While you do the exact same thing with ScrOG except you use a screen to enforce the canopy instead of just training alone.
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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never heard of mainlining before, but when I looked it up, its the way I have been growing for the last 3 years and its good

I use it in a way to grow a circle of buds with a big hole it the middle so I can drop the light closer to the buds and get loads of dank buds
works very well with one plant per light

and have done a few scrog, there not a lot in it, both ways can give you a top yields
 
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Vincent VonBlown

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It's easier to mainline then scrog imo. When you scrog and you have the plants caught up in a net, can't move them for the most part... Mainlining, restriking, super cropping, training... They all give you a similar effect. And it's pretty much based on 2 things. Which are the breaking of outer membrane of the stem, which increases yield, and the manipulation of dominant growing tips, which causes swelling of the buds. Here is my vid on mid flowering training... [video=youtube;XPVKeU47Rb0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVKeU47Rb0[/video]
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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Vincent VonBlown said:
It's easier to mainline then scrog imo. When you scrog and you have the plants caught up in a net, can't move them for the most part... Mainlining, restriking, super cropping, training... They all give you a similar effect. And it's pretty much based on 2 things. Which are the breaking of outer membrane of the stem, which increases yield, and the manipulation of dominant growing tips, which causes swelling of the buds. Here is my vid on mid flowering training... [video=youtube;XPVKeU47Rb0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVKeU47Rb0[/video]
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I think this would be called a mainline scrog I am doing and it works great lol
my plants 8 weeks ago



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chopping them tonight
 
blacksun

blacksun

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I personally like lst (scrogging) a little more than hst (topping) because of less stress. As for which produces more...the answer to that depends entirely on the grower him/herself. A person who sucks at scrogging but is bad ass at mainlining will harvest more mainlining. They both produce the same if you fill out the canopy completely.

That's the whole point, filling out the canopy is filling out the canopy...do it however you can.

Whether you choose to do it by scrogging, mainlining, topping/fimming a few plants, flipping many rooted clones to 12/12 immediately (SOG), or anything in between, it's just another variable you need to get dialed in if you want to maximize your area's potential.
 
sohighifly

sohighifly

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blacksun said:
I personally like lst (scrogging) a little more than hst (topping) because of less stress. As for which produces more...the answer to that depends entirely on the grower him/herself. A person who sucks at scrogging but is bad ass at mainlining will harvest more mainlining. They both produce the same if you fill out the canopy completely.

That's the whole point, filling out the canopy is filling out the canopy...do it however you can.

Whether you choose to do it by scrogging, mainlining, topping/fimming a few plants, flipping many rooted clones to 12/12 immediately (SOG), or anything in between, it's just another variable you need to get dialed in if you want to maximize your area's potential.
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Well said my friend.
 
Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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sohighifly said:
I have been tossing back and forth between scrog and mainlining.

I know that everything is strain and condition dependent,but say 2 clones were grown in each setup
@ ideal conditions,which would produce more
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First, you are right, it is strain dependent in that some ladys don't respond as well to being topped. Topping induces some stress, and you may not want to stress plants that are more prone to hermi. Other strains keep their central cola dominant unless the plant is topped, which can be undesireable.

There are a couple of other things you may want to consider, too--
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- Scrog plants don't have to recover as much as mainlined plants. All other things being equal, a mainlined plant will take longer to get to harvest
- Vincent is right about scrogging taking more effort. 5x5 is about as big as I would want to get with scrog. It still may be a PITA to reach in there all the way.
- Scrog develops more budsites, which is what you want with lower wattage (lower wattage= less penetration). Mainlining works best with higher wattage in general
- I also would avoid scrog if you work with hydro, but you don't.
- Scrog lends itself to a larger number of smaller plants, mainlining tends to work best with a few large plants

Given all that, I would definately recommend mainlining before scrogging on your setup. It still is a matter of what you want, though.
 
sohighifly

sohighifly

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Nitegazer said:
First, you are right, it is strain dependent in that some ladys don't respond as well to being topped. Topping induces some stress, and you may not want to stress plants that are more prone to hermi. Other strains keep their central cola dominant unless the plant is topped, which can be undesireable.

There are a couple of other things you may want to consider, too--
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- Scrog plants don't have to recover as much as mainlined plants. All other things being equal, a mainlined plant will take longer to get to harvest
- Vincent is right about scrogging taking more effort. 5x5 is about as big as I would want to get with scrog. It still may be a PITA to reach in there all the way.
- Scrog develops more budsites, which is what you want with lower wattage (lower wattage= less penetration). Mainlining works best with higher wattage in general
- I also would avoid scrog if you work with hydro, but you don't.
- Scrog lends itself to a larger number of smaller plants, mainlining tends to work best with a few large plants

Given all that, I would definately recommend mainlining before scrogging on your setup. It still is a matter of what you want, though.
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Thanks for your input and recommendation based on my individual setup. I think that I have made a choice and decided to take a clone of each plant and run a 4 plant mainline line under 1600w.Journal to come,thanks all for the input.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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With 1000 watts and 5x5 area, with one plant I suspect average yeilds to be no greater than 2lbs. I suspect I can produce 2lbs with 1000watts and one plant faster than someone can that removes the top of the plant. My guess.

Countless plants have entered screens around my neck of the woods. In just about every fashion you can imagine. I have also been an instructor of sorts for several years and with the help of hundreds, have tested countless theories. When I hear of something new and exciting, I will surely let folks know here. By no means does that constitute me knowing everything however and I strongly encourage experimental trials of all types. Wisdom is taught by experiences. Mine suggests that's simply increasing surface area and supporting the weight of production, may be the fastest way to maximum potential given the controls (ie. Plant number, wattage/lumens, space etc.)

Woodsmantoker~
 
sohighifly

sohighifly

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woodsmantoker said:
With 1000 watts and 5x5 area, with one plant I suspect average yeilds to be no greater than 2lbs. I suspect I can produce 2lbs with 1000watts and one plant faster than someone can that removes the top of the plant. My guess.

Countless plants have entered screens around my neck of the woods. In just about every fashion you can imagine. I have also been an instructor of sorts for several years and with the help of hundreds, have tested countless theories. When I hear of something new and exciting, I will surely let folks know here. By no means does that constitute me knowing everything however and I strongly encourage experimental trials of all types. Wisdom is taught by experiences. Mine suggests that's simply increasing surface area and supporting the weight of production, may be the fastest way to maximum potential given the controls (ie. Plant number, wattage/lumens, space etc.)

Woodsmantoker~
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Nice input woodsman, a supporter of all natural. I am also a fan of the K.I.S.S. method,just wanted to test things out a bit.Thanks for the response.
 
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mannypok

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jacksthc said:
I think this would be called a mainline scrog I am doing and it works great lol
my
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jacksthc said:
I think this would be called a mainline scrog I am doing and it works great lol
my plants 8 weeks ago



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chopping them tonight
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Nah, man.

You need even shoots distributing even nutes to the colas.

It has to be a hub or manifold to be considered a mainline.

You got a basic scrog going on.
 
MonkeyGrinder

MonkeyGrinder

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If you're starting from clone I suggest doing scrog. Clones tend to be from older/established plants. They're going to throw out alternating nodes much more frequently hence throwing off the even branching that you get from seed. With mainlining you're pretty much limited to the amount of times you can top the plants before they start throwing out staggered and then alternating nodes.
I've had one plant from seed start staggering it's nodes by the time it had 4 tops going. But that was a rarity.
I had one beast in an outdoor plot that I had gotten to 64 tops in July (Started around april 1st indoors and thrown out in the last week of april) Typically you'll get to 16 at the most. You might luck up and get 32 and have a beast.
According to Nuggbuckets after you make your last topping you want to give them another 2 weeks of veg. What I suggest doing is supercropping all of your tops 10 days into 12/12 while they're in stretch mode if you're going for 8 or 16 tops. They should be able to bounce back no problem from that and bush those colas out nicely.

Honestly though I would suggest going with Scrog indoors. If you can stick your finger into a hole you can scrog.
If you're rocking 1000 watts you could have multiple mainlined plants under it no problem. But you also have to deal with topping, bending, securing down branches. Then there's the part where you're going to be rotating the plants around. It becomes a huge pain in the ass. Then there comes the whole stretch part. I find mainlined plants spend their stretching cycle actively trying to drown one another out like no ones business. So it has to be genetics that you KNOW won't stretch that much at all. And do this consistently.
With scrogging on the other hand stretch isn't an issue. You just keep pushing new growth down until she starts stacking budsites and then let her fill up your space with some consistent fat buds. So you just keep fingering her bush until she gives up and does what you need her to do.
Then the only problem you're going to have is when it comes down to harvest time and you then realize you've got so much dope to trim you're never going to want to harvest again. And that's one plant under a 3x3.
I've done both methods and scrog beats the pants off from MLing hands down.
 
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