defoliation? yes/no and techniques
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jacksthc
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now thing are making a lot more sense, as I don't like branchy productive sprawling plants as I can't control the way they grow.
for me its got to be short bushy plants as I have a lot more control over the canopy shape and amount of fan leaves on each plant
just took a picture of my plants a few days in flower
jacksthc
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yeh this is a good stocky plant and a good as example of a plant that needs a few fan leaves removed, so you have a better airflow and more light to the bud sites, always good to see lots of large healthy green fan leavesthem plants look dam fine to me hank..>>>>this is a (cindy la pew x freedom baby)very stocky plant.
HeartlandHank
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See, I love branchy genetics for the reason of shaping the garden/canopy. It's easy to fill it out, making the most of available light with minimal veg/training/fuss.now thing are making a lot more sense, as I don't like branchy productive sprawling plants as I can't control the way they grow.
for me its got to be short bushy plants as I have a lot more control over the canopy shape and amount of fan leaves on each plant
just took a picture plants a few days in flower
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We have two completely different things going on.
Still, I'm in the leaf camp... They drive growth and flower production. Imo. But, I think it's more than opinion... dare I say, fact...
HeartlandHank
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Nice, Cindy is one piece my garden is missing (Unless you count the c99 in Killing Fields)... nice plant.them plants look dam fine to me hank..>>>>this is a (cindy la pew x freedom baby)
I had 4 Apollo 11 plants for a while. Then held one for a little longer...
I lost that plant in my single largest indoor growing disaster... root aphids, then root aphids 2.0... I spent lots of time reviewing IPM and got things under control.
Right now I'm changing up my pest control thing.. I wanna cut down on my use of Imidiclaprid (sp?).
IPM is fantastic... you can apply the idea to non pest issues... It's just like a system for problem solving that if followed, won't fail you.
jacksthc
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the thing is you select plants with a low amount of fan leaves and nodes, that yield well, I get it, its a great ideal, but if you had a few plants with loads of fan leaves and a really thick canopy, you would throw them as you don't like them, where I will remove a some nodes and fan leaves to give me the same amount of leaves and nodes, you have on your branchy productive sprawling plants, its just I can choice where the nodes and fan leaves are
HeartlandHank
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If I found something that I felt was so great potency-wise but had short stature and high leaf to calyx then I would still keep it assuming it was the best of the bunch and I feel it can hang with the other mothers.
I do a bit of growth/node placement choosing myself. Tomato cages and garden twist is a big part of that... removing growth tips/branches is another.
If it works for you, cool. I would solve those issues in ways that do not negatively affect plant processes, like photosynthesis.
Uncle Ben
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As many times as it takes to get thru your thick smart ass head.
I showed you with 2 fine examples using photos no less (since some of you can't get thru logical sound botanical script without engaging in ADD) plants that were heavily shaded and had heavy bud production at the bottom of the plant. Explain that, eh.
Don't come up with some lame excuse based on twisted forum junk science because you can't produce good production at lower plant levels. Like I said, if you were an experienced outdoors grower you'd know better and wouldn't be looking like the typical dumb ass inexperienced noob that comes across as a know-it-all. I mean hole mole', you guys are a dime a dozen around here!
UB
Uncle Ben
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Uncle Ben
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I'm curious, how do you remove nodes?
(this is getting really good, like they are all!)
Uncle Ben
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Wrong.had to move that leaf balde out of the way,so that bud can get some light............or she would be all pale green.
YOU need to re-read my post on this issue.
jacksthc
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you really can't stand defoliation lol
but you need to take a step back, as there's too many grower on here that use defoliation and it works
you will never change your mind, so what the point of talking about it, go and wind up someone else, that's what your really good at
Uncle Ben
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As I said, newbs like you are a dime a dozen. I don't give a shit what others are doing as the blind lead the blind around here. I gave you living proof and you still want to believe what you want to believe. It's science dumb nuts! Not some stupid ass forum paradigm parroted by a bunch of ignorant dumb ass newbs.you really can't stand defoliation lol
but you need to take a step back, as there's too many grower on here that use defoliation and it works
you will never change your mind, so what the point of talking about it, go and wind up someone else, that's what your really good at
UB
genuity
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then how do you top??????
Uncle Ben
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READ, you newbie dumb asses!As I've stated every which way but Sunday in all the Defoliation threads, cannabis does NOT require intense light to the lowering flowering sites to produce well at that position on the plant. That is another misguided, non factual paradigm that is parroted with every new crop of newbs. THINK!
1. A fan leaf contributes to the entire plant, all plant tissue above and below ground, and it doesn't matter where it's located. If the leaf is not productive it will be dropped due to a CO2 flag mechanism,
2. There is no credible green tissue located at the flowering sites aka bud sites except for the small fan leaves and a few single bladed leaves interspersed here and there. The calyxes just don't have the mass nor exposure to collect photons, the reason why God made large, extended, fan leaves in the first place,
3. I can spot a young, ignorant starter every time when they constantly try to make the argument of "defoliation gets more light to the bud sites" as if any carbohydrates produced there, stay there, directed solely at that spot.
Now, some of you will never get what I've been trying to convey because you don't want to hear it....... but popcorn buds are a result of the growth pattern and chronological age of cannabis, which also includes the impact of natural hormonal responses, apical dominance. I get popcorn buds on outdoor grown plants, it is what it is. Any plant material whether it be cannabis, a peach tree, a pecan, a rose.... is going to give the goodies up first to the newest growth and many times at the lowest plant tissues' expense. Good example (I see around here) is the prevalent N deficiency I see with lower leaves prematurely going yellow and eventually being dropped thanks to that CO2 flag - the lower leaves are giving up, translocating its N to the upper parts of the plant. If you don't have chlorophyll production and maintenance then the leaf will drop.
I've posted this plant/garden dozens of times before and other photos in the defoliation threads and it still makes my case. These plants are crammed into a garden in which the over head HID's can not possibly provide "decent" lower canopy lighting but I still retain those lower leaves 90% of the time until harvest....mainly because I got off the bloom food teat a long time ago and learned my lesson. Also, you've got to agree that the lower flowering sites on these 2 examples are pretty fat and happy.
If you want something off the lower popcorn buds do what I do and do a double harvest. You must have lower leaves left to pull it off though.
Look at the bottom of this large plant. There is very little light getting thru the canopy.
Having said that, and like HH said, the problem lies with you, not some junk science you want to hide behind to cover up your short comings.
Uncle Ben
Fresh 2 De@th
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he's always going to talk about it, because it takes the focus off of him (you know the fawning affection he so desperately needs).
just like i said, his goal is to get this thread locked and buried. don't believe me, go back a couple of pages where he clamored out loud for a mod to close it and for everyone to report good ol Fresh.
just like i said, his goal is to get this thread locked and buried. don't believe me, go back a couple of pages where he clamored out loud for a mod to close it and for everyone to report good ol Fresh.
Uncle Ben
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Fresh 2 De@th
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i hate to say it, but it's clear as day that the bottoms are getting plenty of light. also doesn't look like too many or any leaves are blocking light penetration, dumb ass.
genuity
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do you REMOVE nodes when YOU top a plant????? yes or no