Harrekin
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Oh dear Jesus...
If you ignore RADIATION it will go away.
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Doer
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I know....the youth pretend to know things.
Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U235, in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U235, in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.
Flaming Pie
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Well then that isn't really a solution. lol
I want to see this machine rumored to remove the radioactive parts of the water.
Dr Kynes
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Depleted Uranium weapons are NOT "Area Denial" weapons
"Area Denial" assumes the enemy will avoid an area for fear of Mine Feilds, or the presence of noxious fumes, subsonic vibrations (The Brown Note) or other actions designed to prevent the enemy from advancing through that area. (hence the name)
laying about low level radioactive particles doesnt deny shit to anybody, since unless every haji is packing a geiger counter they wont even know it is there.
the real claim (never actually expressed of course, except by the frootloops) is that DU weapons are part of a nefarious long term plan for GENOCIDE by irradiating every "Brown Person" on the planet.
of course this is PROVED by demonstrating that Depleted Uranium is NEVER used for anything but weapons...
http://depletedcranium.com/depleted-uranium-its-all-around-you/
the author forgot to mention:
Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Detectors (mandated for every dwelling in California)
CRT picture tubes
the strike faces of typewriters
as a part of many titanium alloys used in sporting equipment and tools
and many other places.
even if we accept the bizzarro-world claim that DU is designed for ZGenocide, then why the fuck arent they using something more effective, like say... PCB's Thalidomide, Dioxin, or Red Dye #5?
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/N...es/Uranium-and-Depleted-Uranium/#.Uj4YxX8puHs
[h=2]Health aspects of DU[/h] Depleted uranium is not classified as a dangerous substance radiologically, though it is a potential hazard in large quantities, beyond what could conceivably be breathed. Its emissions are very low, since the half-life of U-238 is the same as the age of the Earth (4.5 billion years). There are no reputable reports of cancer or other negative health effects from radiation exposure to ingested or inhaled natural or depleted uranium, despite much study.
However, uranium does have a chemical toxicity about the same as that of lead, so inhaled fume or ingested oxide is considered a health hazard. Most uranium actually absorbed into the body is excreted within days, the balance being laid down in bone and kidneys. Its biological effect is principally kidney damage. The World Health Organization (WHO) has set a tolerable daily intake level for uranium of 0.6 microgram/kg body weight, orally. (This is about eight times our normal background intake from natural sources.) Standards for drinking water and concentrations in air are set accordingly.
Like most radionuclides, it is not known as a carcinogen, or to cause birth defects (from effects in utero) or to cause genetic mutations. Radiation from DU munitions depends on how long since the uranium has been separated from the lighter isotopes so that its decay products start to build up. Decay of U-238 gives rise to Th-234, Pa-234 (beta emitters) and U-234 (an alpha emitter)[SUP]m[/SUP]. On this basis, in a few months, DU is weakly radioactive with an activity of around 40 kBq/g quoted. (If it is fresh from the enrichment plant and hence fairly pure, the activity is 15 kBq/g, compared with 25 kBq/g for pure natural uranium. Fresh DU from enriching reprocessed uranium has U-236 in it and more U-234 so is about 23 kBq/g.)
In 2001, the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) examined the effects of nine tonnes of DU munitions having been used in Kosovo, checking the sites targeted by it[SUP]5[/SUP]. UNEP found no widespread contamination, no sign of contamination in water of the food chain and no correlation with reported ill-health in NATO peacekeepers. A two-year study[SUP]6[/SUP] by Sandia National Laboratories in USA reported in 2005 that consistent with earlier studies[SUP]n[/SUP], reports of serious health risks from DU exposure during the 1991 Gulf War are not supported by medical statistics or by analysis.
An editorial in the Radiological Protection Bulletin of the UK's National Radiation Protection Board stated: "DU is radioactive and doses from inhalation of dust or from handling bare spent rounds need to be assessed properly. However, the scientific consensus at present is that the risks are likely to be small and easily avoidable, especially compared with the other risks the armed forces have to take in war."[SUP]8[/SUP]
Thus DU is clearly dangerous for military targets, but for anyone else even in a war zone there is little hazard. Ingestion or inhalation of uranium oxide dust resulting from the impact of DU munitions on their targets is the main possible exposure route.
Flaming Pie
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That or some kid carrying a round around in his pocket because it looks cool.
Dr Kynes
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DU is MILDLY radioactive.
your smoke detectors contain a variant of DU too.
almost every plastic object (even toys!!!!) contains a small amount of radioactive material.
NLXSK1
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These kids have no clue about radiation...
This is why we dont have more nuclear reactors in this country, plain ignorance...
Dr Kynes
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so, you are implying that the above bolded (by you, not me) statement does not demonstrate deliberate obfuscation?
"Uranium-238..." A naturally occurring isotope found everywhere, in almost every patch of soil or rock on the planet. until it is refined it is HARMLESS AND UBIQUITOUS, and even after being refined it is not particularly dangerous (alpha waves can be blocked by a sheet of paper for fuck's sake)
"becomes DU..." .... EVENTUALLY, and after a few billion years it becomes Lead.
"which is 0.7 times as radioactive..." despite the deliberately provocative language, this actually means that DU is 30% LESS radioactive than....
"natural uranium." natural, unrefined, ubiquitous, inescapable "It's Fucking Everywhere" uranium...
so, DU, is actually 30% LESS dangerous than the harmless shit that's everywhere on earth already.
Katie Bar The Mother Fucking Door!
"Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials."
come on, you know as well as I, that extremely long half-lifes means LOW LEVEL radiation, not High Level Radiation, and the type of particle radiated is more important than how much, even if the number is miniscule.
Flaming Pie
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@ NLXSK1 Oh I forgot, if it doesn't affect Americans it doesn't count.
report says inhalation and physical contact are the means or transmission.
@ kynes
does plastic contain DU?
report says inhalation and physical contact are the means or transmission.
@ kynes
does plastic contain DU?
Flaming Pie
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lol thanks for the laugh with n the Katie bitso, you are implying that the above bolded (by you, not me) statement does not demonstrate deliberate obfuscation?
"Uranium-238..." A naturally occurring isotope found everywhere, in almost every patch of soil or rock on the planet. until it is refined it is HARMLESS AND UBIQUITOUS, and even after being refined it is not particularly dangerous (alpha waves can be blocked by a sheet of paper for fuck's sake)
"becomes DU..." .... EVENTUALLY, and after a few billion years it becomes Lead.
"which is 0.7 times as radioactive..." despite the deliberately provocative language, this actually means that DU is 30% LESS radioactive than....
"natural uranium." natural, unrefined, ubiquitous, inescapable "It's Fucking Everywhere" uranium...
so, DU, is actually 30% LESS dangerous than the harmless shit that's everywhere on earth already.
Katie Bar The Mother Fucking Door!
"Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials."
come on, you know as well as I, that extremely long half-lifes means LOW LEVEL radiation, not High Level Radiation, and the type of particle radiated is more important than how much, even if the number is miniscule.
thanks for the explanation. I will look it up later.
NLXSK1
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You couldnt win the scientific debate so now it is all about who it affects... Cry me a fucking river.
Dr Kynes
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yes. some do.
so do the glazes on the ceramic ware in your kitchen, the tiles in your kitchen, the smoke detector in your kitchen, the microwave oven in your kitchen, the "stainless steel' alloys in the flatware in your kitchen, the marble countertops in your kitchen, the brass in the faucets in your kitchen...
mildly radioactive materials are found everywhere, even Radon, a naturally occurring radioactive gas, can seep into your house from underground.
and no, none of this shit is new. none of it is "anthropogenic" and none of it is avoidable, no matter how hard you may try.
radioactive contamination has been around since time began, but only recently have we been able to detect it. so lets stop making wild claims and deal with FACTS rather than hyperbole.
fukishima is a fucking disaster, and motherfuckers are ON IT. let them do their jobs, whic does NOT include sweeping it under the rug, or throwing up their hands and walking away.
the problem WILL be sorted out if it can be sorted out. insisting theres a coverup to conceal the Troof is counterproductive.
hawaii is NOT glowing in the dark, radiation levels are well within the normal range except for inside the restricted zone, and they are working on it.
let them work.
Dr Kynes
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fuck, wont let me edit my post, but i forgot the source of the graphic...
here is the above graphic with the source, sorry for the omission.
~http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/resources/uranium/what.html
here is the above graphic with the source, sorry for the omission.
~http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/resources/uranium/what.html
Flaming Pie
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I am not saying there is a conspiracy. I am just outraged at the lack of concern the world has for the potential affect of radiation leaks on the people of Japan and the surrounding waters.
Flaming Pie
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Btw I appreciate the info. I am always looking to learn.
Dr Kynes
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BTW...
if you ignore it, radiation WILL just go away.
thats why they call it radiation, not Stay-Hot-Forever-ation
check the chart, some radioactive isotopes have half lifes measured in seconds, some in millions of millenia (Billenia?)
http://www.iem-inc.com/toolhalf.html
Flaming Pie
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If the cores were to melt down or be contained, wouldn't we have another chernobyl?
If the water tanks were to break from an earthquake or tsunami, wouldn't they still contain enough harmful radiation to kill people and wildlife of the area?
Dr Kynes
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in terms of it's REAL environmental impact and radiation release, fukishima is pretty damned close to chernobyl, but, "Chernobyl" doesnt mean utter devastation and a 300 kilometer Dead Zone where nothing can survive.
the Chernobyl Hot Zone is actually more like a wildlife preserve now, people dont go in for fear of Teh Radz! so the deer, plants and other critters are flourishing
radiation expose inside Chernobyl's Hot Zone are higher than background radiation sure, and the pollen dust groundwater, and the critters all now contain "dangerous" levels of ionizing radiation, but radiation hazard is judged on 3 criteria:
Radiation Exposure: electromagnetic feilds, exposure to the sun's rays without your Coppertone, radiation therapy for cancer, etc..meh, not so bad. overall lifetime cancer risk increases
Radiation Poisoning: ingestion of apha emitting particles (fallout and such), Low Tolerance, seek medical treatment immediately
Radiation Burns: immediate onset, by the time you know you've been burned youre already dead, but you get to watch your flesh rot off your bones and glow in the dark for a week or ten days. VERY LOW TOLERANCE, Consult a Mortician immediately.
walking about in the Chernobyl Hot Zone will not give you radiation burns, it will give you low level exposure to gamma and beta radiation, which over a lifetime will cause cancers and such, but youre not gonna walk out with tenatcles or superpowers.
eating food grown in Chernobyl's soil or consuming critters that live there is Contra-Indicated, but only if you want to live past 40.
in 50-100 years even that hazard will be small, unless you hang around right close to the reactor core (which is still quietly cooking away, and will do so for the foreseeable future) Bikini Atoll for example got nuked half a dozen times with dirty ass bombs, but now, the plants and animals are doing pretty good, especially the Giant Apes and King Ghidrah.
Flaming Pie
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So how big is this chernobyl hot zone?
50-100 years is a long ass time. If that radiation is seeping directly into the ocean, wouldn't that have a poisoning effect on the coastal waters of japan and eastern asia?
Dr Kynes
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the ukrainians have set up a quarantine zone of ~15 mile radius around the plant, prohibiting all from entering, but really they dont have to prohibit shit. they just make sure they spot everybody passing nearby and point at the sign...
and everybody gets the message.
but they could simplify it, reducing costs, and increasing public awareness of the "Exclusion Zone by using THIS sign:
as far as Radiation in teh oceans...
thats not really as big a problem as is advertised.
the "radioactive water" is not actually radioactive water, it's water with radioactive particles suspended in it.
water cannot actually become ionized (cept deuterium but that shit is rare) by radiation, and the particles of concern are Alpha particles. anything massive enough to emit significant beta or gamma radiation would sink to the bottom and vent it's fury into the uncaring water.
alpha radiating particles (like the nuclear fallout from an atomic bomb) doesnt taint water like say... sodium flouride can, those heavy metals are not generally water soluble, and they can be eliminated by letting water stand for a few hours and pouring the now clean water off without disturbing the sediment, or by using a filter system like say, reverse osmosis.
the amount of radioactive material on the ocean floor is already VERY high, from centuries of erosion, (remember the shit is in the earth's crust) meteor strikes, cosmic dust, volcanism, deep sea geological vents, etc etc etc.
fukishima's contribution will be a single tear in a salty sea.
it's fucked up, and ideally this wont happen again, but then, ideally it should not have happened in the first place.
nothin's perfect, but this is NOT an "Extinction Level Event". me, im holding off on the pacific seafood for a while, but if youre really worried, a cheap geiger counter will reveal if your fish is pretty safe, or "safe" safe.
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