OGEvilgenius
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This is done to keep small business out. But yay regulations, right? They are our savior from ourselves! And of course savior of big business.
My doc says things aren't going to happen....
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OGEvilgenius
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If the many large scale operations are shut down - and there is large reason to suspect they will outside of the laws changing. Many investigations have been stopped by the program. What's to prevent them from starting once it's over? They know the locations. Therefore at the a minimum movement of 1000+ light operations is going to have to happen if they don't just close them outright given potential heat if not immediate busts come the date the program changes over. People say it won't happen, but I think some operations have good reason to be concerned.
If the big operations close shop and move there will be a pretty big hole in the supply. Prices are at all time lows but I fully expect that trend to reverse. They haven't dropped any further at least as people aren't willing to take less than around a grand a unit. Quite a few people doing bad work have been squeezed out of the game with their sub par gear as well because people simply won't buy it and they can't sell it for a profit (as most people produce it at stupid prices given the proclivity of buying overpriced bottles MJ enthusiasts have).
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renewals are accepted as long as there are NO changes from previous license.
new patients will be under the new rules of the MMPR and would have to procure their medicine from an LP.
Beefbisquit
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Nope. Land, building, laboratory equipment, security, etc. etc. was appox $5,000,000.
No doubt you can spend $5mill getting a facility set up. A $500,000 budget is also feasible, if you are willing to put in serious hours making it work.
OGEvilgenius
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I received a letter from the government indicating completely different. No more renewals.
OGEvilgenius
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Some of the security requirements make your projection seem difficult to imagine. Five million seems a bit on the high side too, but it depends on how big you want to go and how much capital you have. I don't think you could legitimately setup for 500 grand very easily. Very specific building requirements are necessary and you need to have some fairly expensive lab equipment too if I am not mistaken. And that doesn't take into account all the other typical costs associated with getting this setup. And then staff. And then you need to develop a client base.
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you maybe a DG or using a DG .... DG licenses are NOT renewable if sent to HC after Oct 1, 2013.
for personal use and production renewals are accepted under the MMPR but will be repealed March 31, 2014.
that is as far as I have information on.
it seems HC is barfing out different info as usual.
I have been in contact with a couple of QA consultants, you can outsource all of your QC testing hence eliminating the need for expensive lab equipment. Health Canada has provided me with a list of facilities we can use. Please see below:
List of Laboratories in possession of a valid Controlled Substance Licence allowing the possession of cannabis (marihuana) for analytical testing
Name of Lab
Address
Name of Contact
Phone Number
Email Address
CMH Biotechnologies Inc.
9B PTH 52 West, Steinbach, MB R5G 1X6
Mr. Leonard Philip Sarna
204-371-0100
len@cmhbiotech.com
Dalton Chemical Laboratories
349 Wildcat Road, Toronto, ON M3J 2S3
Mr. Ronald Herbert Angus
416-661-2102 ext: 222
rangus@dalton.com
New Brunswick Research and Productivity Council (RPC)
921 College Hill Rd, Fredericton, NB E6L 1T3
Mr. Troy Andrew Smith
506-452-1380
Troy.smith@rpc.ca
The Vimy Ridge Group Ltd.
16-2000 Ellesmere Rd Scarborough, ON M1H 2W4
Mr. John Constantine Fanaras
416-438-6727
fanaras@nucro-technics.com
Experchem Laboratories Inc.
1111 Flint Rd North York, ON M3J 3C7
Mr. Mana Sohil
416-665-2134 ext: 298 or 1-800-610-5576
sohilmana@experchemlab.com
SGS Canada Inc
6490 Vipond Drive Mississauga, ON L5T 1W8
Ms. Gita Patel
905-364-3757 ext: 13768
gita.patel@sgs.com
WHATFG
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Where are you getting your info from? There is a challenge before or about to be before the Supreme Court to have the mmpr repealed, but that decision is far from complete. You really shouldn't spread such crap around. I understood that until sept. 30. we operate under the old rules. After oct 1. start applying by new rules. ATP will flip over in march and dg pupl people reapply. That's how I understand things will happen.
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on September 30, 2013 MMAR ends but all licenses are valid till they expire or if after March 31, 2014 they will expire on that day.
on October 1, 2013 MMPR starts MMPR so any RENEWALS are accepted but no new applications under the MMAR. If you get your renewal
and it has an expiry after March 31, 2014 it won't matter as it will be repealed on March 31, 2014. ALL licenses will be repealed under
MMAR and MMPR on March 31, 2014.
The court case for injunction has not happened yet because the famous date is at the end of March 2014, hence it did not happen on September 30, 2013.
The injunction if happens hopefully will open up and allow any license that expires after March 2014 to continue as normal.
I'll find the info when I have the time but it is in the new regulations.
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found it, I hope you can understand the legal terms
read the regulation changes from: Canada Gazette Part II June 19 2013 - SOR2013119_SOR2013120
particularly starting from section 230
read the regulation changes from: Canada Gazette Part II June 19 2013 - SOR2013119_SOR2013120
particularly starting from section 230
GroErr
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Fuck the Canadian government. Never have trusted any form of government and not about to start now.
I could have gotten a license to grow, or a script to buy when I got the C word 4 years ago. The last thing I wanted was to register with these f*cks so whenever they decided to change the program I'd be in their database. I'll grow my own thanks, under the radar. Beside knowing what I'm producing I'm not contributing to any fucked up governmental system, I do that enough with my taxes, not a lot of choices there.
This newest scheme should be interesting if it ever gets off the ground, it's all about control and money, aka Harper the control freak. As far as I'm concerned, this large/commercial grow scheme, under government regulations/control will end up driving prices up. Think about it, any system under governmental control tends to be the least efficient method of producing anything. By the time you adhere to all their rules, forms, red tape, taxes, changes on the fly (when they're not getting as much as they'd hoped), middle men in distribution, retail outlets, and on, and on. The cost will be much higher than anything we small/personal growers have to deal with. If anything once the government puts their fingers in the pie, it will only help small growers by driving the price up. Bring it on .
I could have gotten a license to grow, or a script to buy when I got the C word 4 years ago. The last thing I wanted was to register with these f*cks so whenever they decided to change the program I'd be in their database. I'll grow my own thanks, under the radar. Beside knowing what I'm producing I'm not contributing to any fucked up governmental system, I do that enough with my taxes, not a lot of choices there.
This newest scheme should be interesting if it ever gets off the ground, it's all about control and money, aka Harper the control freak. As far as I'm concerned, this large/commercial grow scheme, under government regulations/control will end up driving prices up. Think about it, any system under governmental control tends to be the least efficient method of producing anything. By the time you adhere to all their rules, forms, red tape, taxes, changes on the fly (when they're not getting as much as they'd hoped), middle men in distribution, retail outlets, and on, and on. The cost will be much higher than anything we small/personal growers have to deal with. If anything once the government puts their fingers in the pie, it will only help small growers by driving the price up. Bring it on .
Kootenaygirl
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If you have remained underground this long, you are right to probably stay there where you can ride out the coming change. Sorry to hear about the C, and congrats on the first 4 of many more.Fuck the Canadian government. Never have trusted any form of government and not about to start now.
I could have gotten a license to grow, or a script to buy when I got the C word 4 years ago. The last thing I wanted was to register with these f*cks so whenever they decided to change the program I'd be in their database. I'll grow my own thanks, under the radar. Beside knowing what I'm producing I'm not contributing to any fucked up governmental system, I do that enough with my taxes, not a lot of choices there.
This newest scheme should be interesting if it ever gets off the ground, it's all about control and money, aka Harper the control freak. As far as I'm concerned, this large/commercial grow scheme, under government regulations/control will end up driving prices up. Think about it, any system under governmental control tends to be the least efficient method of producing anything. By the time you adhere to all their rules, forms, red tape, taxes, changes on the fly (when they're not getting as much as they'd hoped), middle men in distribution, retail outlets, and on, and on. The cost will be much higher than anything we small/personal growers have to deal with. If anything once the government puts their fingers in the pie, it will only help small growers by driving the price up. Bring it on .
FTCG, might be stronger than I believe, but not registering your guns, I thought, was the most patriotic thing any Canadian could do, is growing your own medicine under duress from your government patriotic, why not?
I sleep with a commercial grower, lol, and he points to all other plants and says that mass production will always be able to sell for less then small farms, it is hard to argue with him, just look around, 1 gal shrubs for $5 bucks a piece, even where I live in (Timbucktwo). Even in my own garden I have troubles beating the store in season, never mind getting paid for labour too.
It is important to realize that the red tape for LP's is the same as for tomato growers, except for security requirements and zoning, in fact laxer in some regards. No special taxes for medical marihuana.
Mass production alone will bring the prices down in a medical market, add to that the savings and reduced risk from being legal, among other inherent advantages like open competition, the MMPR will reduce the price of marihuana, how long will it take is the real question. Legalization for recreational use will start the government grabs for taxes from marihuana, but they know that killing the illicit pot market before we tax the crap out of it is important too, like alcohol. Many hope your right about the survival of the small grower but I believe the writing is on the wall, we are just waiting for the fat lady to sing. You will be growing for purely pleasure and/or protest because the quality and price will be better on line. Give it a few years. stirring the pot
GroErr
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Thanks, I say they won't take me either up above or down below, so they keep throwing me back here, I'm not arguing with them
Lol, stir the pot, good for you, most of my friends are pot stirrers, much more fun to have challenging conversation than go with the flow Can't argue with the economics of large scale grows, but at the same time, I believe that at least short-term, with the government's involvement, it will take a long time to become economically viable, productive, and profitable. The big if is whether this program ever gets off the ground (challenges are already under way) and even then I'd bet on changes, whether its this current conservative or any following government, there will be changes. In the meantime, many will suffer and be potentially prosecuted because they trusted some government program a few years ago, now they're on "the list" and easy targets. Sit back under the radar for a while folks, this advice goes south of the border too people, many states are going on their own, against federal wishes/laws. Look at one of the (many) problems they're running into where the banks won't accept "dirty" grower money, because they (banks) are controlled by the feds, so its technically illegal for them to accept/deposit/exchange money from growers, ouch Also remember that getting on a "list" is easy, getting off that list can be next to impossible, if things change/go wrong, you're screwed.
Besides all of this, you're right, I do take comfort in knowing what I put into my grow and resulting end products (smoke, oil, hash, baking, teas), and it's a hobby/addiction, not addicted to the pot, just addicted to perfecting the grow, which as we all know is not possible as there's always room for improvement
People still grow their own vegetable gardens (moi), even though they can buy cheaper, mass produced, nice looking, genetically modified foods - lol I'm betting on dying of natural causes before this ever gets sorted out. In the meantime I'll be dammed if I allow any government to tell me what I can or cannot do to get my meds...
Brian Savage
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We will win in court. Look at the Tory's track record of their policies and programs that are challenged and defeated in court. Conroy will get an injunction and we will slam these unconstitutional regulations in the courts. The supreme court is going to be like we told you in 2001, reasonable access!! not fucking building an industry on the backs of the sick, dying or chronically ill Canadians.
Kootenaygirl
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Your industry was built on the cash from our children, to the benefit of the HA, all disguised as help for the sick. Ask the sick and dying and they will tell you, if they knew that their scribe was being used to sell weed to rec users of any age through organized crime, they would find a different source.
The MMAR is currently estimated to be 67% corrupt. Where are your solutions Brian? Just crap on things, eh? The sick need some short term solutions, got any? Long term The MMPR will be unstoppable. We want patients to be allowed to grow their own medicine, with conditions, under the MMPR. Maybe it will happen, lets hope.
I don't know what the court will decide on, considering this is a temporary transition period. You sounded so smart with your the first post I read of yours Brian, at least add something to the conversation. Explain to me why an LP or wannabe LP under the MMPR is the enemy? The backs of the sick and dying, come on, is that really your stance?, lol. Short term reasonable access, and the right to choose your source, like viagra, you get to choose from the different pharmacies or LP's? Where are my rights getting trampled by the MMPR? I don't understand, explain it to us.
The MMAR is currently estimated to be 67% corrupt. Where are your solutions Brian? Just crap on things, eh? The sick need some short term solutions, got any? Long term The MMPR will be unstoppable. We want patients to be allowed to grow their own medicine, with conditions, under the MMPR. Maybe it will happen, lets hope.
I don't know what the court will decide on, considering this is a temporary transition period. You sounded so smart with your the first post I read of yours Brian, at least add something to the conversation. Explain to me why an LP or wannabe LP under the MMPR is the enemy? The backs of the sick and dying, come on, is that really your stance?, lol. Short term reasonable access, and the right to choose your source, like viagra, you get to choose from the different pharmacies or LP's? Where are my rights getting trampled by the MMPR? I don't understand, explain it to us.
Brian Savage
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I actually do have suggestions and solutions, however, im just some guy from a small city who has no power or influence or say.