First Grw150W HPS closet grow. White Widdow. Looking for mentor!
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DANKSWAG
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Looking good..how you feeling, gaining any confidence in what your doing? Hopefully your are remaining stealth. Compost inside your leaves and trimmings make sure they break down well and then mix outside into your garden soil or recycling into your grow. No what your going to need is a good idea on when to harvest. Its not all about trichomes but mostly a combination of the color change of the pistils those white hairs there you see in your flowering between 40 to 60 percent change to darker color and retracting into the flower you should see about 10 to 20 percent amber trichomes and hopefully mostly cloudly milky ones ..YUMMY! Anywise those are the two crucial things combined to help you determine when. The more the amber the more couch lock early amber is nice head buzz. Of course strain will contribute, but if you let go to long to many amber you could take a stavia into couch lock mode.
I'm updating my now, they coincidentally are at their 27 day of flower too. However they vegged for 16 weeks, so they are now a total of 20 weeks old and over 24 inches tall. I lollipopped the bottoms considerably in hopes of having to due less defoliation and only take very few if any. Hopefully cause only the top 8 inches of plant is flowering I won't need to or hardly any at all.
I'm updating my now, they coincidentally are at their 27 day of flower too. However they vegged for 16 weeks, so they are now a total of 20 weeks old and over 24 inches tall. I lollipopped the bottoms considerably in hopes of having to due less defoliation and only take very few if any. Hopefully cause only the top 8 inches of plant is flowering I won't need to or hardly any at all.
Hy Ds
Wow man those plants are amazing. I really like they are really healty and nice organised everything. Which strain they are?
About the flowering I think at least 9 weeks of flowering need this strain. But they say better 10...My WW is 27.5 inches now. But I was also stressing a little bit cuz I think she should be more desvolted...But I read around on the forums and they say the WW is late blossoming...I hope she will put some buds on her but until now it`s looking good...the plant looks healty. I removed last week like 10 leafs and I`m planning to remove this week some. What you think ? This don`t stress my plant?
Btw I`m planning already that for my next grow I will grow maybe 2 WW. You think in the end both plants could be so desvolted like this one ?
I will post some new pictures Wednesday!
One love!
Wow man those plants are amazing. I really like they are really healty and nice organised everything. Which strain they are?
About the flowering I think at least 9 weeks of flowering need this strain. But they say better 10...My WW is 27.5 inches now. But I was also stressing a little bit cuz I think she should be more desvolted...But I read around on the forums and they say the WW is late blossoming...I hope she will put some buds on her but until now it`s looking good...the plant looks healty. I removed last week like 10 leafs and I`m planning to remove this week some. What you think ? This don`t stress my plant?
Btw I`m planning already that for my next grow I will grow maybe 2 WW. You think in the end both plants could be so desvolted like this one ?
I will post some new pictures Wednesday!
One love!
DANKSWAG
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Thank you but they're really doing all the work I just make sure they have what they need. This strain is called Blue Cheese http://www.leafly.com/hybrid/blue-cheese Here is a review which gives even further insight to just how awesome BC BUD, original BC before Canada got the name for British Columbia Bud. So BC is Blue Cheese, awesome awesome awesome! http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/08/02/best-marijuana-strains-blue-cheese-green-cross-sf/
When it comes to flowering patience is key, don't be in a hurry look watch the hairs change color and recede then look at trichomes and you make the call! To chop or not to chop that is truly the question now. Your on the home stretch.
I think one of the reasons they look so great is because I don't force feed them nutrients everything is prepared in the soil before the plants roots even touch it. The water system I use allows to plant to water itself so truly they are on auto pilot while flowering so even taking this strain to completion you won't see the flowers around their bud sites discolor due to lack of nutrients available to feed the plant. Typically the lower leafs will fade but very little and they generally got very little light if any. So I am quite impressed by the state of environment I have created in the PHOGS system in that I haven't had any nutrient or other signs of stress or sickness. I truly believe I just set the table and let her do all the eating and drinking she wants. Not going to force it into her. However one thing I do know I need to significantly increase the power of my LED lights and my yields should increase as well. Focusing on getting good Gen tics, High intensity lighting, perfect harvest time, drying and curing and you will have the best possible outcome possible, whether you grow is soil or water, not getting those crucial 5 areas mastered will keep anything you grow from being the best.
I'm lost you on this ....But I was also stressing a little bit cuz I think she should be more desvolted... what is desvolted?
Defoliation is controversial mostly about how much to take, everyone know fans leaves come of in nature by wind, animals etc. But fan leaves play a role in flowering, I believe the key is focus on removing ones prevent light to lower bud sites, work top down as you do this. It won't hurt and could help get light to lower leaves that need it.
Or you add some supplement lighting underneath. Your grow your call, but don't worry about a couple fan leaves and long as it is very few and probably don't want to wait much longer, but be done with it like today and do what you can to separate the branches from each other to allow light air penetration and flow.
DS
Hy.
Sry I was just really busy at the last time. Well idk I think something is wrong. I post some pictures say your opinion...
I think the buds they are weak and small...The end of week 5 beggining of week 6 Flowering
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Sry I was just really busy at the last time. Well idk I think something is wrong. I post some pictures say your opinion...
I think the buds they are weak and small...The end of week 5 beggining of week 6 Flowering
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DANKSWAG
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Hi Moreh,
Me thinks you just are running up against low lights even if your genetics are good. That light only produces so much energy, it is an under powered HID. Also these lights don't cover the entire light spectrum either. That is why HPS bulbs are used for veg which has light in the blue range and flower with Metal Halide for it is in the red range.
Genetics is where it begins then lighting as far as biggest factors in yields, then temps nutrients watering which combined with harvesting time, drying and curing affect quality so it is like From SUN to CURE is same as Yield to Quality.
By the way your attachments did not show up... so all speculation based on prior data unless something has changed.
Me thinks you just are running up against low lights even if your genetics are good. That light only produces so much energy, it is an under powered HID. Also these lights don't cover the entire light spectrum either. That is why HPS bulbs are used for veg which has light in the blue range and flower with Metal Halide for it is in the red range.
Genetics is where it begins then lighting as far as biggest factors in yields, then temps nutrients watering which combined with harvesting time, drying and curing affect quality so it is like From SUN to CURE is same as Yield to Quality.
By the way your attachments did not show up... so all speculation based on prior data unless something has changed.
DANKSWAG
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Moreh,
Looks about right with the light you have. Those smaller bud site towards the bottom of the branches can be dwelt with in several ways.
You can do the following now:
1 add supplemental lighting CFLs in the 2700K light range place less that a inch or so away from buds sites.
2 lollipop the lower 1/3 area of branches forcing energy into upper 2/3 of branch. (don't remove anything that given a few more weeks with some added cfl lighting may be worth harvesting)
In the future you want an even canopy for light above to reach multiple cola sites instead of single cola with side branches.
You can create a SOG (sea of green) where using LST (low stress training) to produce and even canopy
or learn how to top and super crop with lst to produce main lined trained ladies to produce not just an even canopy by even growth distribution to all cola branches.
Keep up good work.. B+ so far
DS
Patience is the key here don't be too quick to chop down, check your strains average time till harvest and start observing changes in the flowers and trichomes as yours like me are now entering the midway point of week 5 (39days) and will have completed 42 (6 weeks) on Sunday one day ahead of mine. The harvest window is closing in. So wait as long as you can before too much amber trichomes show on flowering buds, this will allow them to pack a little weight. (Your nutrients are probably fine as far as feeding goes). Lighting and learning to cultivate into symmetrical cola sites will make a big difference in your next grow.
Now look closely at mine different strain I know. I am using a LED that uses only 140 watts with some supplemental spot leds and cfls, total power draw about 185-200 watts total.
Really not that much more in lighting power but having right light spectrums for flowering.
But I have 4 ladies about 26-30 inches tall each branch producing about the same as their counter parts. I have removed the lower growth on those branches right when it went to flower and I was aggressive removing the bottom half know there would still be a little more top growth and that my LED lights would get me deeper penetration into my canopy.
Looks about right with the light you have. Those smaller bud site towards the bottom of the branches can be dwelt with in several ways.
You can do the following now:
1 add supplemental lighting CFLs in the 2700K light range place less that a inch or so away from buds sites.
2 lollipop the lower 1/3 area of branches forcing energy into upper 2/3 of branch. (don't remove anything that given a few more weeks with some added cfl lighting may be worth harvesting)
In the future you want an even canopy for light above to reach multiple cola sites instead of single cola with side branches.
You can create a SOG (sea of green) where using LST (low stress training) to produce and even canopy
or learn how to top and super crop with lst to produce main lined trained ladies to produce not just an even canopy by even growth distribution to all cola branches.
Keep up good work.. B+ so far
DS
Patience is the key here don't be too quick to chop down, check your strains average time till harvest and start observing changes in the flowers and trichomes as yours like me are now entering the midway point of week 5 (39days) and will have completed 42 (6 weeks) on Sunday one day ahead of mine. The harvest window is closing in. So wait as long as you can before too much amber trichomes show on flowering buds, this will allow them to pack a little weight. (Your nutrients are probably fine as far as feeding goes). Lighting and learning to cultivate into symmetrical cola sites will make a big difference in your next grow.
Now look closely at mine different strain I know. I am using a LED that uses only 140 watts with some supplemental spot leds and cfls, total power draw about 185-200 watts total.
Really not that much more in lighting power but having right light spectrums for flowering.
But I have 4 ladies about 26-30 inches tall each branch producing about the same as their counter parts. I have removed the lower growth on those branches right when it went to flower and I was aggressive removing the bottom half know there would still be a little more top growth and that my LED lights would get me deeper penetration into my canopy.
DANKSWAG
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Any pics of this?Hy.
I`m pissed of. I just observed that the WW turned hermie. He have each bud min. 1 seed. This piss me of
I should complete the run ? Cuz maybe this is a waste of energy and time...
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So here are the pics. Idk if u can see. I don`t have camera....But there are seeds inside 100% I took 1 out and was a seed..
How I understand now the plant will produce seed and he will stop to produce THC. If this is right then I don`t see the reason why should I finish the run
So here are the pics. Idk if u can see. I don`t have camera....But there are seeds inside 100% I took 1 out and was a seed..
How I understand now the plant will produce seed and he will stop to produce THC. If this is right then I don`t see the reason why should I finish the run
DANKSWAG
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So here are the pics. Idk if u can see. I don`t have camera....But there are seeds inside 100% I took 1 out and was a seed..
How I understand now the plant will produce seed and he will stop to produce THC. If this is right then I don`t see the reason why should I finish the run
Your pictures are not showing, nonetheless if you are finding seeds keep removing them. Unfertilized stressed females will grow some male flowers late in flowering to preserve the species, which appears to be your case. Are there male flowers (small green pod like bunches) at each bud site? Do any site have nice flowers with good trichome development? If so pop those beans out of pods, dispose of them.
You should be harvesting soon right? Early harvest will just mean more of a intense high long lasting then mellow.
How has there environment been, temps, humidity, soil PH? m, stress will cause this?
It could be the strain you have is where equatorial Sativa's are naturally hermaphrodites. So this could be coming out in the strain that is crossed with an equatorial sativa (Brazilian Sativa Haze)
For this reason you may want to try a India dominate Hybrid till you get things dialed in.
It is not like you are growing male that has pollinated these girls, so it's genetics or stress probably both..
beterthanjeff
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i started off using cfls i now have a 150w hps as well ready to see the differance
Hy DS
Hmm now how u say, I see...it`s logical...My temps are not so good... usually 27-28 Celsius in the day and in the night sometimes 19 but usually 20-21 Celsius. Humidity is fine almost always 50%. PH ???? this could also be.
I start to remove the seeds. But I have a lot. I remove them like half hour but I still have a lot to do. Male plants idk I didn`t found any. But I`m keep looking.
I should harvest only middle of next month. My thricomes they are like 80% white and 20% brown. They are really sticky, I saw this removing the seeds. Btw the buds they are really compacts it`s pretty hard to remove the seeds. During the work my finger is full of white/brown hairs
Idk I hope I can save this plant...
Well done Ds
Thank you very much again.
One love
Hy Jeff
I`m glad to see your progress. Yes the 150 HPS is nice but I would grow only 2 max. 3 plants with this light. I think soon as I can have more space to grow I will upgrade to 400W or 250...
I wish you good luck
Peace