SxIstew
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Clone only was the F1. but even the seeds of a clone only are the same as the HSO version IMO.
I'll find out cause I have a seed of a BD clone only plant that was selfed.
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I'll find out cause I have a seed of a BD clone only plant that was selfed.
Chronic Masterbator
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Stew make sure Yer boy takes pics of the differences in the BD offspring you selfed.
Chronic Masterbator
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I should've said that. But you did whilst I was at work. I'm glad you know whats up. I'm gonna start growing my males in poor quality soil.
Chronic Masterbator
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Eh Stew you might like this read. >>> http://cannabis.com/growing/advanced_breeding-how-do-i-backcross-my-special-female.html
SxIstew
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https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/714597-chimera-myth-cubing-backcrossing-mrnice.html
Read this one. But I'll check that one out.
Read this one. But I'll check that one out.
SxIstew
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From what I understand. The S1 will have pheno variations. And according to what I just read
this is what I am doing is it not?
Even though there is only one official offspring and not 2 separate plants from seed.... I'm crossing S1 and S1 to make S2 which would hold more traits of the parents than the previous generation..... Right? lol... I am making my self sound really dumb right now.
SxIstew
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As the original mother cuts are not true breeding because of their polyhybrid nature the ambrosia breeding team is taking them though a 2 time self pollination process(s2) to obtain homogeneity, heavily stress testing a selection before they ever meet the pollen studs. For those who do not understand the “selfing” process it means a female plant is chemically sex reversed allowing it to pollinate itself resulting in S1 seed generation-One common misconception is that this process will result in identical phenos exactly like their mother plant -however in reality recessive traitscan still be hiding with variation occurring among sibling seeds so this process must be repeated with the adequate s1 seed to achieve more homogeneous s2 seeds. Stress tested s2’s of excellent mothers are breeding gold as they are homozygous for all traits seen in the s1 individual selection. Ambrosia Seed Company uses only proven stable genetics as parents and the offspring grown from their seeds show it. 
Sex Reversed Females Undergoing ‘Selfing’ Process
Notably ‘selfing’ is how the first feminized seeds were made but modern fem seeds usually aren’t s1′s for many reasons, mainly because of higher seed quantities and more vigorous offspring produced in reversed sex outcrosses (feminized f1’s) A self pollinated plant is passing on very specific information-those traits can be good ones like taste or structure or bad ones in the case hermaphroditism. The difference in a good or bad breeding selection of selfed plant aside from it’s obvious qualities is its performance in extremely intensive stress testing , This kind of testing is time consuming but the only sure way to assure our customers of stable genetics. Because of the crude initial attempts at making feminized seeds in the past, Selfing has been disregarded by many as a bad breeding technique as the process does indeed result in lost vigor with every selfed generation-However, by out-crossing to very inbred fathers from completely different gene pools, we are able to offer f1 hybrids that exhibit hybrid vigor on a whole new level for the grower. We are not using the selfing process to make our seed stock, but rather using the selfing process to select elite breeding mothers.
Sex Reversed Females Undergoing ‘Selfing’ ProcessNotably ‘selfing’ is how the first feminized seeds were made but modern fem seeds usually aren’t s1′s for many reasons, mainly because of higher seed quantities and more vigorous offspring produced in reversed sex outcrosses (feminized f1’s) A self pollinated plant is passing on very specific information-those traits can be good ones like taste or structure or bad ones in the case hermaphroditism. The difference in a good or bad breeding selection of selfed plant aside from it’s obvious qualities is its performance in extremely intensive stress testing , This kind of testing is time consuming but the only sure way to assure our customers of stable genetics. Because of the crude initial attempts at making feminized seeds in the past, Selfing has been disregarded by many as a bad breeding technique as the process does indeed result in lost vigor with every selfed generation-However, by out-crossing to very inbred fathers from completely different gene pools, we are able to offer f1 hybrids that exhibit hybrid vigor on a whole new level for the grower. We are not using the selfing process to make our seed stock, but rather using the selfing process to select elite breeding mothers.
MrEDuck
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The one upside to unenjoyment is that I don't have that interfering with internet use
I've been trying to learn more about genetics because the issue of backcrossing and stability. You shouldn't be able to stablize a hybrid genotype but I've seen people cross C99s and the offspring looked like the parents...
Chronic Masterbator
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I've seen the more you inbreed the more uniform and homogenous the growth becomes. But each generation declines in potency but yield increased. The secret is to know whhat generation to backcross to bring that vigor back.
Chronic Masterbator
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The only Hermie that is sexy to me.As the original mother cuts are not true breeding because of their polyhybrid nature the ambrosia breeding team is taking them though a 2 time self pollination process(s2) to obtain homogeneity, heavily stress testing a selection before they ever meet the pollen studs. For those who do not understand the “selfing” process it means a female plant is chemically sex reversed allowing it to pollinate itself resulting in S1 seed generation-One common misconception is that this process will result in identical phenos exactly like their mother plant -however in reality recessive traitscan still be hiding with variation occurring among sibling seeds so this process must be repeated with the adequate s1 seed to achieve more homogeneous s2 seeds. Stress tested s2’s of excellent mothers are breeding gold as they are homozygous for all traits seen in the s1 individual selection. Ambrosia Seed Company uses only proven stable genetics as parents and the offspring grown from their seeds show it.
Notably ‘selfing’ is how the first feminized seeds were made but modern fem seeds usually aren’t s1′s for many reasons, mainly because of higher seed quantities and more vigorous offspring produced in reversed sex outcrosses (feminized f1’s) A self pollinated plant is passing on very specific information-those traits can be good ones like taste or structure or bad ones in the case hermaphroditism. The difference in a good or bad breeding selection of selfed plant aside from it’s obvious qualities is its performance in extremely intensive stress testing , This kind of testing is time consuming but the only sure way to assure our customers of stable genetics. Because of the crude initial attempts at making feminized seeds in the past, Selfing has been disregarded by many as a bad breeding technique as the process does indeed result in lost vigor with every selfed generation-However, by out-crossing to very inbred fathers from completely different gene pools, we are able to offer f1 hybrids that exhibit hybrid vigor on a whole new level for the grower. We are not using the selfing process to make our seed stock, but rather using the selfing process to select elite breeding mothers.
Chronic Masterbator
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No you are on track. You'll have more homogenous growth maybe a variation here and there. But you'll see Dom traits of the parents. Also remember traits skip a generation.
greenghost420
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crossing s1 x s1 is an f1 i thought. only way to get s2 is to self the s1.
SxIstew
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Which is what I am doing on one plant that we are talking about.
I took Blue Dream S1 [fem] pollen(that I collected from a sister clone) and put it to a bud of my Blue Dream S1.
I've read that using the pollen on any clone of the same plant is the same as selfing because they are exact genetic replicas.
So this should result in a S2 Blue Dream.
greenghost420
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ah didnt realize you hit an s1. im guessing if you hit the original bd you used to s1 with s1 pollen that would BX? lol