Why Did Bush Knock Down The Towers?

Biggravy22

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Oh And Bush And His Administration Knocked Down The Towers As A Pretext To War To Establish Pax Americana. To Establish Permanent Military Bases In The Region To Ensure The Safety Of American "democracy" And It's Allies. Furthermore As Sea Maiden Said To Soften Up The Sheep Before Slaughter. Patriot Acts One And Ii Expressly Destroy Our Civil Liberties Especially The 4th Amendment. Sorry For The Caps...i've Been Drinking. Lol
 

Arrid

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Oh And Bush And His Administration Knocked Down The Towers As A Pretext To War To Establish Pax Americana. To Establish Permanent Military Bases In The Region To Ensure The Safety Of American "democracy" And It's Allies. Furthermore As Sea Maiden Said To Soften Up The Sheep Before Slaughter. Patriot Acts One And Ii Expressly Destroy Our Civil Liberties Especially The 4th Amendment. Sorry For The Caps...i've Been Drinking. Lol

Caps?
where?

hahaha!
 

blackcoupe01

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Drinking makes you capitalize the first letter in EVERY word? Thats strange dude lol. You should drink some more so at least its in all caps.
 

Biggravy22

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On one hand im getting sick of this topic. It shouldn't even be up for debate. Us as americans are showing how truly docile we are accepting our governments explanation.
Osama bin laden AKA Tim Ossman is nothing but a CIA figurehead created by mass media to provide an enemy. Not to sound too much like a troofer, but we need to stand up now before it's too late. Before we get to the point where 2+2 does =5. But who am I to try and persuade?
 

Johnnyorganic

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The question Should be ,, Why did Bush Not protect us from it even happening in the 1st place .......... Yo u know I used to work at this place
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...I left a year before the attack.. but I lost over 30 friends .. who were there and perished ... This is a sour subject...
Now THAT is a question I would like to see answered myself. We may not like the answer, however. Ultimately we ALL were responsible for the September 10th complacency which precipitated the security lapse which led to 9-11.

I'm sorry you lost your friends.
 

korvette1977

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Now THAT is a question I would like to see answered myself. We may not like the answer, however. Ultimately we ALL were responsible for the September 10th complacency which precipitated the security lapse which led to 9-11.

I'm sorry you lost your friends.



AMEN.......................
 

tckfui

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did bush knock down the towers? or was it people above him? I dfont see how bush stood to gain much other than dictitoral powers, which dont seem to be going all that great for him, I mean hes giving up his position next year a true dictator would say fuck you I"M STAYING!!!!!!
hes gotten alot of things done for him, but none seem to benefit him, they actually seem to bite him in the ass.
I just dont understand why hes attempted to lie on tape about everything, icluding 9/11, he must be retarted to not realize everything he says is recorded and most if not all obvious lies will be caught. why did he lie about when and where he heard about the attacks on 9/11? I really dont understand that, couldn't he see how bad a move that was, and that it was just begging a conspiracy theory to come around?
 

Biggravy22

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Now THAT is a question I would like to see answered myself. We may not like the answer, however. Ultimately we ALL were responsible for the September 10th complacency which precipitated the security lapse which led to 9-11.

I'm sorry you lost your friends.

how are we all responsible? I wouldn't say we were responsible for the attack perse' but I believe we are responsible for the events that followed. I belong to a site sherdog.net, and the neo-con viewpoint is sickening. They believe every single thing our gov't or any other "reputable" source has to say. Everyone who's ever "debunked" 9/11 is correct and anyone who questions is is wearing a tin foil hat.
 

Johnnyorganic

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On one hand im getting sick of this topic. It shouldn't even be up for debate. Us as americans are showing how truly docile we are accepting our governments explanation.
I disagree. The very existence of these theories and the persistence of even the discredited theories belies a strong current of dissent and skepticism on the part of the American people.
Osama bin laden AKA Tim Ossman is nothing but a CIA figurehead created by mass media to provide an enemy. Not to sound too much like a troofer, but we need to stand up now before it's too late. Before we get to the point where 2+2 does =5. But who am I to try and persuade?
I GOOGLED Tim Ossman and found some links, I'll check them out right now. Do you have anything beyond what a GOOGLE search would get me?
 

Biggravy22

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did bush knock down the towers? or was it people above him? I dfont see how bush stood to gain much other than dictitoral powers, which dont seem to be going all that great for him, I mean hes giving up his position next year a true dictator would say fuck you I"M STAYING!!!!!!
hes gotten alot of things done for him, but none seem to benefit him, they actually seem to bite him in the ass.
I just dont understand why hes attempted to lie on tape about everything, icluding 9/11, he must be retarted to not realize everything he says is recorded and most if not all obvious lies will be caught. why did he lie about when and where he heard about the attacks on 9/11? I really dont understand that, couldn't he see how bad a move that was, and that it was just begging a conspiracy theory to come around?

Of course bush stood to gain. He's a figurehead who could have made the resulting events take place. Hell the man went to war without congressional approval on the back of the unconstitutional Patriot act. He may be a pawn but he's no minion. He had plenty to gain. You're right though...he set things up for the next person in power;however they're all on the same team. I cannot lie, Barack obama will be our next president, and as a black man I will not be voting for him. He is an air-frame shock test. As much as I wish america was in that frame of mind we're not. Obama is a CFniR puppet who's primary backers are david rockefeller and paul vockler. Both men with significant ties to the FED. Obama is going to push agendas that will slowly disolve the soveriegntey of the United States.
 

Johnnyorganic

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how are we all responsible? I wouldn't say we were responsible for the attack perse' but I believe we are responsible for the events that followed. I belong to a site sherdog.net, and the neo-con viewpoint is sickening. They believe every single thing our gov't or any other "reputable" source has to say. Everyone who's ever "debunked" 9/11 is correct and anyone who questions is is wearing a tin foil hat.
All Americans are responsible for the weak security mindset leading up to 9-11. The Arab/Muslim world declared economic war on us in 1973. Since then it has been a clash of civilizations largely ignored by the American people. A clash which became bloody long before the towers came down.

The World Trade Center was not targeted once. It was hit in 1993. Bill Clinton was more concerned with receiving Lewinskys from an intern than he was with national security. Breakdown by Bill Gertz is a damning book which documents Bill Clinton's preoccupation with diversity within the CIA rather than intelligence, among other things.
 

Biggravy22

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All Americans are responsible for the weak security mindset leading up to 9-11. The Arab/Muslim world declared economic war on us in 1973. Since then it has been a clash of civilizations largely ignored by the American people. A clash which became bloody long before the towers came down.

The World Trade Center was not targeted once. It was hit in 1993. Bill Clinton was more concerned with receiving Lewinskys from an intern than he was with national security. Breakdown by Bill Gertz is a damning book which documents Bill Clinton's preoccupation with diversity within the CIA rather than intelligence, among other things.
Thanks for the clarification. I agree.
 

PoseidonsNet

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I still prefer the NAZI theory.
They hate America more than anyone,
are the most hated,
are underground and almost invisible,
they would have agents in every institution from Obama to Clinton to Bush to Al Queda

seriously

Islam is not ideologically different from America in any significant way.
They are both branches of the tree of Abraham, as are the Jews.

They have no need to fight one another, other than if
people like the NAZI's instigated it.

don't watch the puppet man, watch the strings,
they lead to the nasty little nazi fuckers.

Saddam owed Germany Billions. Japan Ditto.
Its still the aftershocks of ww2, I'm telling you seriously.

Islam and Christianity slug it out while the NAZI's laugh all the way to the bank.
You can always sniff a nazi out, he's like a rat.

a bloody great big nazi rat!
 

Origin

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okay, i read all the links. have you looked at the documentary? get at me when you've looked at the documentary then we can debate.
250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media
PLANNED BEFORE


PRIOR KNOWLEDGE / PREPARATION

DECOYING / STAND DOWN

WTC ATTACK

Bombs, flashes, other explosions

  1. EMT Jeff Birnbaum near the South Tower says he heard an eerie high-pitched noise and a 'popping sound' then an explosion before the top of the tower leaned toward him and started coming down. (CEE News)
  2. Firefighter Louie Cacchioli in elevator going to 24th floor hears a bomb go off and thinks bombs were set in the building. (People)
  3. Firefighter Edward Cachia says the South Tower gave at a lower floor then where the plane hit because they thought there was internal explosions going off from hearing successions of 'boom, boom, boom, boom' before the tower came down. (NY Times)
  4. Fire Captain Karin Deshore says there was orange and red flashes followed by explosions that were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the WTC 2. (SF Gate)
  5. Tom Elliott on 67th floor floor in WTC 2 felt explosion below him as plane hit, firemen going up told him of an explosion near 60th floor. (CS Monitor)
  6. Commissioner Stephen Gregory along with a Lieutenant Evangelista from Ladder 146 say they both saw multiple flashes coming from the lower level of the WTC 2 right before it collapsed and mentions the flashes they saw are like what you'd see when they 'blow up a building.' (NY Times)
  7. Nadine Keller from her balcony in Soho, NY says she 'heard the bomb' before she saw the buildings collapse. (BBC)
  8. EMT Joseph Lovero reports hearing 'additional explosions' to dispatcher. (WNBC)
  9. Edmund McNally phoned his wife from 97th floor of WTC 2 following the plane crash, says he heard explosions below him. (NY Times)
  10. Mike Pecoraro and co-worker hear a loud explosion in WTC 1 basement and believes a bomb went off after seeing major damage to the basement floors. (Chief Engineer)
  11. Janitor William Rodriguez in WTC 1 basement hears explosion below him, then the plane crash above him seconds later, then saw severely burnt man come out of basement elevator. (CNN)
  12. Teresa Veliz on the 47th floor of the WTC 1 feels the building shake again more violently then the shaking from the 1st crash and hears explosions going off everywhere inside the building and also hears explosions when she was outside that she was convinced bombs were 'planted all over the place' and that someone was 'sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons.' (September 11: An Oral History)
  13. Kim White from 80th floor of WTC 1 hears an explosion near the 74th floor. (People|2)
  14. Witnesses reported hearing another explosion just before WTC 1 collapse, police said collapse looked almost like a 'planned implosion' designed to 'catch bystanders watching from the street.' (Guardian)
  15. Third explosion reported at WTC 2 and part of the tower collapses afterward. (TCM News, TCM News)
  16. Group of firemen discussing the collapse of WTC 2 said how each floor was pooping out as by being 'detonated' as if 'they had planned to take down a building'. (9/11 - The Filmmakers' Edit)
  17. A member of the FDNY says when trying to get some people out that there was 'secondary explosions' and then subsequent collapses. (11 News)
  18. A FDNY Firefighter says as he was getting his gear on and making his way to the stairway, there was a 'heavy duty explosion'. (CBS)
  19. MSNBC Reporter Ann Thompson says at 10:30 when she got outside the building she heard a 'second explosion' and 'another rumble' then ran inside for cover when a fire marshal said they had to leave because if there was a third explosion the building might not last. (MSNBC)
  20. NBC's Pat Dawson reports that the chief of safety of the FDNY told him that he received word of another bomb going off and when he tried to get his men out he said that there was another explosion which took place and thinks there were devices that were planted in the building. (NBC)
  21. Eyewitness speaking in a studio interview says he was about five blocks away when he heard three explosions and turned around to see the building he just got out of collapse. (Studio interview)
  22. An injured witness to one of the towers collapsing said it sounded like 'gunfire' and then all of a sudden he heard 'three big explosions'. (News interview)
  23. NBC's Rick Sanchez reports that police have evacuated an area around the WTC because of a 'suspicious device' thought to be a bomb and say they think a van with explosives in it went off inside the WTC and fear that bombs have been planted in, or nearby the buildings. (MSNBC)
  24. BBC's Stephen Evans reports there was a big explosion from 'much, much lower' in the WTC from where the plane crashed. (BBC)
WTC 7

  1. 9/11 - 6:47am, WTC 7's fire alarm is placed on 8 hr 'test' mode which any alarms received are ignored. (NIST)
  2. 9/11 - WTC landlord Larry Silverstein says he gets a call from a fire chief about the WTC 7 and he recommends to him to 'pull it' and after they 'decided to pull,' they all watched the 7 collapse. (PBS video)
  3. 9/11 - BBC correspondent Jane Standley announces that the WTC 7 collapsed before it did. (BBC video)
  4. 9/11 - CNN correspondent Aaron Brown announces that the WTC 7 has either collapsed, or is collapsing before it did. (CNN video)
  5. 9/11 - A medical student watching the WTC 7 hears a clap of thunder, sees a shockwave rippling through it and windows bust out, then sees the bottom floor cave out followed by the rest of the building. (1010 WINS video)
  6. WTC 7 becomes first steel high-rise building in history to collapse due to mostly fire. (Chicago Tribune, Stanford Report)
  7. The collapse of the 47 story WTC 7 skyscraper hardly gets any media attention. (NY Times)
  8. WTC 7 debris was removed without investigators having the chance to examine it at the scene to help determine the cause of failure. (History Channel)
  9. FEMA report concludes specifics of WTC 7 fires and how they caused it to collapse remain unknown and call for further investigation and also says the facade was 'pulled downward', suggesting an internal failure and 'implosion'. (FEMA)
Rescuers told and waited around for collapse

  1. A Ground Zero rescuers mentions that the WTC 7 will be 'coming down soon' as he walks away from the area. (CNN video@2:20)
  2. A Ground Zero rescuers tells people they are walking away from the WTC 7 because it's about to 'blow up'. (CNN video@2:25)
  3. Captain Chris Boyle says 'they' said WTC 7 is coming down. (Firehouse Magazine)
  4. Firefighter Marcel Claes says he was kept away from WTC 7 because of the 'potential of collapse'. (Firehouse Magazine)
  5. Deputy Chief Peter Hayden says that by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon 'we realized' WTC 7 was going to collapse. (Firehouse Magazine)
  6. Firefighter Scott Holowach says he and his crew were just 'hanging out' until tower WTC 7 came down and went right to work to put the 7's fires out. (NY Times)
  7. Battalion Chief John Norman says 'they’re telling us' that WTC 7 is going to fall down. (Firehouse Magazine)
  8. Paramedic Steven Pilla says he and his crew didn't do any further because they were 'waiting' for WTC 7 to come down. (NY Times)
  9. Firefighter Lt William Ryan says he and his crew were told WTC 7 was going to collapse 'around 3 pm' and fell back until it came down. (NY Times)
  10. Firefighter Frank Sweeney says he and his crew were sent back down near the WTC 7 and 'stood and waited' for it to come down. (NY Times)
  11. Battalion Chief Tom Vallebuona says 'we thought' WTC 7 was going to fall and push the side of the WTC that was still standing. (Firehouse Magazine)
  12. Deputy Chief Nick Visconti says Chief Frank Fellini responded to him saying WTC 7 'imminent collapse' and they moved the command post over because WTC 7 is 'coming down'. (Firehouse Magazine)
PENTAGON ATTACK

Witnesses describing a missile, or other non-Boeing 757

Witnessing hardly any plane debris

Hearing multiple explosions, or smelled explosives

PENNSYLVANIA CRASH



Witnessing hardly any plane debris



Small white military plane seen circling area before and right after alleged crash



IGNORED WARNINGS / ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN

COVER-UP

MOTIVES


Afghanistan, opium, pipeline


Iraq, oil


CULPRITS

PATSIES / OPERATIVES

Framing

Fundamentalist Muslims 'gone wild'

 

Origin

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greed and power maybe? get your herb and your popcorn ready, open your mind and prepare to be enlightened with the facts.:peace::peace::peace:

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Good Post. I've watched all of Alex Jones documentaries (and countless others) and agree with you that it was an inside job. Below is a list of main stream news articles that are food for thought on the subject - Enjoy while you can - some have already been "disappeared".

250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media
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Johnnyorganic

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Thank you very much for bringing this up. Very informative.

Here is my rebuttal:

Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin`Awaḍ bin Lādin was a CIA operative. Un-disputable, he worked with the CIA during the Cold War-era proxy war with the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. However, there is no evidence he cooperated with the agency since February 15, 1989, when the final Soviet troops re-deployed out of Afghanistan. In fact, after the mujahideen dissolved into chaos of internal struggle for control of the country, there is very little evidence of any cooperation with any foreign agents, including the CIA.

Bin Laden himself discounted the effect of U.S. involvement against the Soviets.
The Islamists who fought also believed that they were responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union. Osama bin Laden, for example, was asserting the credit for "the collapse of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan ... the US had no mentionable role," but "collapse made the US more haughty and arrogant."
Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia

Alliances shift every day. Sometimes they are official and out in the open and sometimes they are discreet. Germany and Japan were both our enemies at one time, but are now staunch allies. France was our ally for a long time. But through it's actions, France was our enemy until recently. Remember 'freedom fries' and 'freedom kissing' your girlfriends? The French people got the message of the unofficial boycott and finally recognized the threat they face from the clash of civilizations. Now France is our ally once again.

The CIA has propped up and supported some of the most heinous, brutal dictators in recent history. Remember the photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein? Our hands are not clean by any means. The CIA would work with Satan himself to gain an advantage in any given situation.

In 1998 bin Laden appeared on my radar. I remember ABC News interviewed him in a cave somewhere. He claimed openly he would seek to "wage war against America."

This link is a PBS transcript of the interview:
frontline: hunting bin laden: who is bin laden?: interview with osama bin laden

In 1998, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri co-signed a fatwa in the name of theWorld Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders which declared the killing of the North Americans and their allies an "individual duty for every Muslim" to "liberate theal-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Mecca) from their grip". At the public announcement of the fatwa bin Laden announced that North Americans are "very easy targets." He told the attending journalists, "You will see the results of this in a very short time."
In response to the 1998 United States embassy bombings following the fatwa, Bill Clinton ordered a freeze on assets that could be linked to bin Laden and signed an executive order authorizing bin Laden's arrest or assasination.
Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia

I was neither surprised nor shocked on September 11, 2001. I did not know bin Laden was behind 9-11, but I believed the man when we vowed to take the fight to us. I was not shocked because I was reeling from a nasty divorce finalized September 4, 2001, exactly a week to the day before 9/11. I was already in a state of shock.

In conclusion, he was a CIA operative. He ain't one now.

ASIDE: See what an intelligent, measured point gets you dirtyshawa? This was new information for me, your fairy tale is old news.
 

PoseidonsNet

Well-Known Member
the thing about france and germany is that both countries
have factions that support and are against america, their power
ebbs and flows,

old germany and viche are not americas allies, they are merely
conquered battle squalls,

the freedom fries issue and the way america was forced to go around the UN
should make this obvious.
 
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