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On the up side, he's given us a possible replacement for the phrase "like comparing apples and oranges".
Can anyone afford to buy?
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WHATFG
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The black market will not go away unless and until we as a country decriminalize or legalize marihuana. We might be the medical patients, but there are thousands more recreational users who are not going to be serviced by the new system. There will be people growing to supply them just like always. I don't get why we aren't following the leader ( the US) on this one. I'm still not convinced that mass production is the best way to go. Gonna be a lot harder to look after a warehouse full of ladies than a closet full. I can only see quality suffering. Not to be a naysayer...but just saying.
Kootenaygirl
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You are right about legalization and the Black Market. We'll get there, 2016 is my bet. MMPR is the foundation the government is putting in place for the full on legalization of recreational use. Long term, production growing will end the marihuana black market, it is history in my opinion.
Looking after a thousand ladies, will be challenging without pesticides. Quality will suffer at first at some locations, but just like any other crop, the quality will keep increasing. The constant testing in real numbers will keep growers on the right path, unlike breeding in the dark, with only our bodies to test it on. I am understanding as an MMAR license holder you can not even test your marihuana now.
WHATFG
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I actually think people like to grow for themselves. The variety that is available could keep any hobby gardener busy for several years trying to master all the different strains available. the only reason I emphasized that is because all LP's will be limited to how many different strains/varieties they will/can produce.
I don't have a lot of faith in the new system because of what my doc is telling me. They and I don't mean all, want nothing to do with this. When I asked if she would sign my papers for me in the spring or whenever, she said she didn't know. Of course there will always be the " marihuana clinics" that people can access if they have the money to pay for it.
Hey Kgirl.....what do you think will happen if the sensible bc vote passes? My doc says that we here in the yukon will most likely follow along as we usually do. I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that new law allow people to essentially grow for themselves without interference from the authorities? Status quo all the way.
The new system is Harper passing the torch to big business. No restraints on pricing? There is no way this was designed to help the sick and dying. Why wouldn't there be 500,000 patients right now instead of 10 years from now? That makes no sense to me. It's like saying there are only 37,000 sick people in the country. Even writing it looks stupid. Who's coming up with these numbers?
As an med mari patient, why can't you get you meds tested? Are there really no labs in this entire country? You obviously haven't made yourself sick so no worries!
leaffan
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No one claims that the MMPR was designed for patients in mind. Quite the opposite in fact. The government has said if patients can't afford the price, they should go to their doctor and get an alternative. (don't shoot the messenger)
The MMPR was designed to start the process of eliminating the black market.
There aren't 500k patients right now for a few reasons; having to go through HC for a licence, an abundance of readily available product from the street, lax enforcement from police, restrictions on DGs, etc...
With a very easy sign up procedure with lots of willing doctors, lots of varieties, good prices, and no threat of being arrested, the number of patients will grow very quickly.
You will soon see recreational users seeing med mj as the better way to go versus Joe on the street corner.
Eventually evolving to full blown legalization.
As best I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the only people who can have their mj fully tested now is a Licensed Producer. I have tried to get approval from HC to have product tested at a licensed lab with no success to date.
WHATFG
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I guess it all depends on what you're testing for. I've seen those home lc kits that would at least let you know about the thc, and I think 4 other cannabinoids. I think I'm going to look into at least that so I can calculate how much is in my butter, tincture, etc. I think they are a bit pricey but nothing compare to what LP's will be paying.
If doctors don't sign on, then what? I think doctors are going to be very choosey about who gets a note from the doc and who doesn't. The black market will continue to thrive. The mmpr was created because of sick people. I thought the supreme court basically told the gov't to create something for all the patients lining up at the door.
I'm really curious how these LP's that have been approved are already to go with their lab stuff etc. etc. It almost seems as though they've been operating in the shadows with the gov'ts blessing. Ah the conspiracy theories about!!!lol
i was being silly when I asked why there wasn't 500,000 patients already. I'm a late bloomer myself being paranoid that if my application wasn't accepted the police would be at my door. Now I could care less cause my kids are grown and they get why I do what I do. As long as I have the acceptance of my family, everyone else can go to hell!
I still maintain that the cost is going to dictate the direction. Price to high...big failure...cost too low...no LP's and the private gardens continue to bloom.
If doctors don't sign on, then what? I think doctors are going to be very choosey about who gets a note from the doc and who doesn't. The black market will continue to thrive. The mmpr was created because of sick people. I thought the supreme court basically told the gov't to create something for all the patients lining up at the door.
I'm really curious how these LP's that have been approved are already to go with their lab stuff etc. etc. It almost seems as though they've been operating in the shadows with the gov'ts blessing. Ah the conspiracy theories about!!!lol
i was being silly when I asked why there wasn't 500,000 patients already. I'm a late bloomer myself being paranoid that if my application wasn't accepted the police would be at my door. Now I could care less cause my kids are grown and they get why I do what I do. As long as I have the acceptance of my family, everyone else can go to hell!
I still maintain that the cost is going to dictate the direction. Price to high...big failure...cost too low...no LP's and the private gardens continue to bloom.
Kootenaygirl
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You bring up a good point, and I am all over it. Patient wants to test her medicine, why not? Thank-you. There are more than a dozen testing facilities.
Kootenaygirl
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format fail!
Kootenaygirl
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For easy figuring...
350,000 patients - 35,000,000 Canadians 1 in a 100 in 2024.
35,000 patients - 35,000,000 Canadians 1 in a 1000 now.
I think 1-100 is more reasonable, considering the wide range of relief it provides.
350,000 patients - 35,000,000 Canadians 1 in a 100 in 2024.
35,000 patients - 35,000,000 Canadians 1 in a 1000 now.
I think 1-100 is more reasonable, considering the wide range of relief it provides.
WHATFG
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Oh K girl.....I believe!!!!!!!!
I'm coming off a massive dose of morphine that I have built up over the last 10 years or so. I know all to well the benefits of this plant. I completely agree...if I'm growing for me alone nobody's probably going to bother me. But that would still be illegal and I truly don't want to break the law so I will be torn as to where to go and what to do.
As for doctors, they don't want to be the gatekeepers for some reason. You would think that with as many patients as they've had asking for it, that they would try to see the benefit. We are so limited in the territory. I don't think we have more than a handful of supportive docs. And even they look at you funny when you tell them you need a script for 15 g/ day. I think if the gov is going to treat it like other meds they're going to have to put it in the compendium at some point so it might be covered one day. A lot of if's I know.
I'm coming off a massive dose of morphine that I have built up over the last 10 years or so. I know all to well the benefits of this plant. I completely agree...if I'm growing for me alone nobody's probably going to bother me. But that would still be illegal and I truly don't want to break the law so I will be torn as to where to go and what to do.
As for doctors, they don't want to be the gatekeepers for some reason. You would think that with as many patients as they've had asking for it, that they would try to see the benefit. We are so limited in the territory. I don't think we have more than a handful of supportive docs. And even they look at you funny when you tell them you need a script for 15 g/ day. I think if the gov is going to treat it like other meds they're going to have to put it in the compendium at some point so it might be covered one day. A lot of if's I know.
AB Bud Soon
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Biggest part of the problem with gettin mmj in any compendium, is that there was too much prohibition at the hands of the US government. Schools and pharm companies could not test mmj for any health benefits or risk being shut off from any, and all, government funding. So synthetic cannabinoids were the planned future, but they didn't work out as hoped.
The way Canada has designed the mmpr could be a great stepping stone as a mass drug trial. Honest patents (honest being a very key word) that subscribe to mmj for specific health reasons, could be polled to find out what did work, and didn't work for them. This can lead to abetter understanding as to what specific cannabinoids are effective for certain ailments. Which will hopefully lead to a more mainstream understanding in the medical industry. That will hopefully lead to inclusion of mmj into a compendium and a DIN makin mmj covered by health insurance companies. BUT.... That will be years away. Take advantage of what the government is offering, and be supportive if the long term efforts.
Cheers
The way Canada has designed the mmpr could be a great stepping stone as a mass drug trial. Honest patents (honest being a very key word) that subscribe to mmj for specific health reasons, could be polled to find out what did work, and didn't work for them. This can lead to abetter understanding as to what specific cannabinoids are effective for certain ailments. Which will hopefully lead to a more mainstream understanding in the medical industry. That will hopefully lead to inclusion of mmj into a compendium and a DIN makin mmj covered by health insurance companies. BUT.... That will be years away. Take advantage of what the government is offering, and be supportive if the long term efforts.
Cheers