Cannabis Connoisseur or just a Snob?

[undercovergrow]

I'm curious so I thought I'd ask: you know when you get a bag that looks good but when you smoke it, it has a slight "chemical" taste (mostly on the exhale--most definitely not a good taste) to it? Does anyone know if that is from either chemicals during the grow or during the curing process? If this is the wrong place to ask this question, sorry!!

 

[budbro18]

Its the drying/curing process thats messed it up. Jarred it before it was dry enough and just havent waited long enough for it to cure/ripen.

 

[sikkinixx]

I think it is also not flushing the plants properly.

 

[undercovergrow]

BudBro18 & Sikkinixx thanks very much for the information--wanting to avoid that in any future endeavors I might have!

 

[budbro18]

No problem. It has nothing to do with flushing. Ive fed plants up until a day or 2 before harvest and they dont taste like "chemicals" because i dry/cure right.

 

[tip top toker]

No problem. It has nothing to do with flushing. Ive fed plants up until a day or 2 before harvest and they dont taste like "chemicals" because i dry/cure right.

My experience as well. I, like most growers, believed that flushing was vital, to go on to do side by side comparissons, and there was no difference in my experience.

 

[budbro18]

Yup. I may stop feeding a few days before harvest but at MAX its 3. And thats just to let the roots dry out and the plant finish up. Also i put em in the dark for 3 days. Not sure if it helps but the science says there is less starches in the plant when the lights are off because it uses them at night to power itself, so to speak, So if you harvest at night/after a few days of dark, SUPPOSEDLY, itll be easier to cure/dry because those starches have already started to break down.

Ive tested the darkness thing and it doesnt do much to anything but drying/curing time. 3 days in total darkness with the fans runnin 24/7 shaves about a week off my cure time.

 

[chuck estevez]

I honestly think the chemical taste comes from, well, to many chemicals. All the growers I know who use MANY bottles of stuff in there grow and finish with their plants dead from over nuting it with bloom foods, bud candy and other so called boosters, always have harsh bud. If you keep her green and happy,have good genetics,dry properly. You should have dank smoke without having to "cure" the bad out of it.

 

[budbro18]

People do tend to over use flower nutes but even with the right dry/cure youd be able to rescue the most over nuted buds. Ive used too many flower nutes before and its the same process. Just curing longer before that taste/harshness goes away.

 

[undercovergrow]

so as a noob, does anyone have something specific that the grower is doing during the curing part that causes this chemical taste? that's what i would like to avoid for my own... thanks everyone for responses. it was my first post!

PS i mean what is going on with the plant not being dried enough--would drying longer have removed it or from the beginning once it wasn't dried enough, you've got that problem? because i have seen where people do "taste tests" on the boards and question why it wouldn't taste like that to them during that time--is this strain specific?

 

[budbro18]

Its like with fruits and vegetables. Take bananas. If you pick one right off the tree and its still green, and you take a bite into it, it will be very starchy and tough and not very flavorful because all of those cells/cellwalls are still in the growing process even though being picked. So you let the banana sit for a few days. You see it start to turn more and more yellow. This is the "curing" process. Those starches and cells are being broken down because that is the cycle of life. Seed, tree, fruit, ripen, decay, seed, repeat. There is obviously more science to it but this is as easily as i can explain it.

So lets say you bought a bunch of bananas. And lets say they all ripen really fast except for one. Then you would throw them in the freezer to stop the ripening process right where you want it. But that one your froze too soon would still come out green and "uncured" or significantly less cured because even though freezing slows the process down it can still happen over extended periods of time.

That is essentially curing. You pick a fruit, wait for the natural process of chlorophyll and other compounds to break down until it is "ripe" then either ingest or store in an appropriate container.

Hope this helped out haha.

 

[little butch]

I just answered this for someone else yesterday. When you pour all these chemicals on your grow, where do you think they end up ? I been doing this for fourty five years and I can tell you from personal experience that they end up in your lungs !! The damage is cumulative, and when you get to my age you will wish you had flushed. I've been in tne hospital from trashing my lungs..I have flushed for a long time now and the lungs are getting better. Not much fun in a non-legal state telling the docs you fried your lungs. The crap they sucked out of me was tested and was full of fertilizer chemicals. You young guys think you are bullet proof when you are young, but you will pay for your lack of attention to detail. Peace & be kind

 

[BWG707]

I just answered this for someone else yesterday. When you pour all these chemicals on your grow, where do you think they end up ? I been doing this for fourty five years and I can tell you from personal experience that they end up in your lungs !! The damage is cumulative, and when you get to my age you will wish you had flushed. I've been in tne hospital from trashing my lungs..I have flushed for a long time now and the lungs are getting better. Not much fun in a non-legal state telling the docs you fried your lungs. The crap they sucked out of me was tested and was full of fertilizer chemicals. You young guys think you are bullet proof when you are young, but you will pay for your lack of attention to detail. Peace & be kind

Wow, that's very interesting! I sure would like to see some of your medical records. This is something I've never heard anything about at all. Did the hospital run tests on the stuff they pulled out of your lungs? If so, what tests did they run. I've spoken to my Doc and he's never heard anything about your type of condition, or about testing for chemicals in your lungs, other than solid particles such as asbestos. Please they us more.

 

[budbro18]

that is not true.... Whether its a salt or an organic compound that gets broken down, nitrogen is nitrogen and is used exactly the same in every plant. It goes in through the roots, and is used to build different parts of the plants. Not directly like a brick would build a house, but like all the components of concrete mixing together combining and changing into a different form.

Commercial farmers dont flush, so either EVERYTHING we have ever eaten is as bad for us as unflushed weed, or flushing doesnt do anything.

Its like the fruit thing i was saying. Take a bite of an unripe fruit and tell me you dont taste "chemicals" over sugars.

So if i ate nothing but the best grown organic/synthetic fed fruit but it wasnt flushed (like was done for the entire existence of man) than i would be ill and have a build up of said "chemicals" in my liver, kidneys, etc... Which no one has....

Youve smoked for over 40 years.... No matter what you smoke, smoke going into your lungs, no matter how pure, is not good/"natural" and will lead to premature failure or be more prone to problems. Likewise with alcohol. There is worse shit in our air than the shittiest weed grown with the shittiest nutrients. Let alone what is in cigarettes.

Unless you foliar feed with high dose nutes very shortly before harvesting, there shouldnt be any of the original compounds from your nutrients, in your buds. If the nutrients are powder/crystalized when used that could lead to airborne chemicals that could very well get into your lungs.

Do you live near any type of fertilizer plant? Or something similar? Its most likely an environmental factor playing a roll in you lung issues.

Since youre over 40 it could even be asbestos related.

Last nail in the coffin... nitrogen is the majority of our air, and is a key nutrient in alot of things life cycles, and we breath it in every day in higher doses than we give our plants.... so for there to be chemicals, that are similar to the ones you are feeding your plants, in the fluid in your lungs, it is not a surprise to me because they are most likely in the air you breathe every day.

No disrespect is meant in this reply, just facts.

 

[SeymourGreen]

I definitely feel like some people can get carried away with their "knowledge" of marijuana. Like very time you come over, they want to give you a full biology and chemistry lesson on THC and throw in a botany class on the best way to grow. I just want to chill and smoke my weed man lol...

 

[SeymourGreen]

A lot of times, growers will spray the bud with a chemical to give it that strong skunk smell and that can give it that chemical test. I prefer my bud all natural. The skunk smell resonated around your apartment/house and is hard to get rid of. I have the spray bottle product called Squelch that totally gets rid of any odor including dank weed smell but i'd rather just not have to worry about the stench at all.

 

[wdk420]

Flushing is to remove the chemicals trapt in the bud still which give it that chemical catpiss smell. If your ashes are black you have not properly flushed and you are smoking chemicals which harm the lungs and throat. If your ashes are white you have properly flushed the fertilizers out of your bud.

 

[tip top toker]

Ashes are black or white. Lol.

You do realize that anything that is burnt sufficiently will produce white ash. Burn a piece of paper, it burns black, burn it some more, it goes white. The colour of ash has nothing to do with flushing.Or are you seriously trying to tell me that there are no chamicals whatsoever in tobacco?

My own anecdotal evidence would also tend to disagree given that my ash was always white and i never flushed. Shit. Now what?

 

[budbro18]

Flushing is to remove the chemicals trapt in the bud still which give it that chemical catpiss smell. If your ashes are black you have not properly flushed and you are smoking chemicals which harm the lungs and throat. If your ashes are white you have properly flushed the fertilizers out of your bud.

they are not "chemicals" they are starches and unconverted sugars. that is whats harsh and nasty about it. Also the leafy taste is from excess chlorophyll

im not throwing anything in anyones face. Just showing those what is truth and science and what is myth so those who are less educated dont get caught up in the hype people put into certain things that they are basing on very little concrete evidence.

 

[little butch]

Bud bro...I will admit that in the early days I tried anything and everything nutes, however, your truth by science is simply misguided confidence in what YOU have come to believe. Argue all you want. It wasn't your lungs they sucked a pound of nasty jelly consistency like flem. It was in fact tested and the list of and the strength of fert related compound was huge. You believe "your" truth and we'll see what your lungs are like when you are in your sixties, if you don't flush. No animosity, you just haven't been where I have, and really are not qualified to make a blanket statement, if you haven't been there. Science is nice, but reality can bite you in the ass. Peace & be kind