masterblaster82
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I want to make my plant bulk up a bit before harvest. Any advice?
Molasses .. Does it work for a Bigger yield?
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Moldy
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I use small amounts of Molasses every other watering. It feeds the microbes or some shit like that. Also some carbs are supposed to increase bud weight according to Jorge Cervantes' book but you'll get a lot of non believers jumping in if I say that. Oh fuck, I just did! When I tried using more than a 1/2 teaspoon per gallon (tablespoon) it turned my leaves yellow... I think. It may have been another issue but I usually feed a small amount of N all through flowering to prevent yellowing.
jondamon
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Too much molasses causes an uptake issue with nitrogen.
It can also throw out your mediums pH quite horrifically if over used.
It does help to feed microbes contained in the rhizosphere.
Small trace minerals are uptaken via the roots.
It does very little to bulk up buds or make them sweeter.
J
NorthofEngland
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This problem of Nitrogen deficiency turning the leaves yellow - does it affect the bud at all?
Potency, yield, smell, flavour, density or stickiness to the touch....?
Potency, yield, smell, flavour, density or stickiness to the touch....?
jondamon
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What molasses?
No.
It does supercharge the friendly bacteria and fungi contained in the rhizosphere, their job is to convert organic matter into usable nutrient ions for uptake via the roots. They feed generally on carbohydrates exuded by the plants roots but sugars give them a boost.
Small amounts of things like calcium magnesium iron etc are taken in from the molasses.
Unfortunately the use of molasses has been somewhat confused over the yeàrs. Its GREAT for organic gardening for use in microbial teas etc.
Chemical nutrient grows night aswell not bother using it.
J
NorthofEngland
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So which of the Canna products does what molasses is rumoured to?
Cannazyme or Rhizotonic?
Moldy
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Thanks for the info. I kinda thought that N uptake was affected but wasn't sure. Now after noting the yellowing issues I had five years ago it makes perfect sense. Note that I said small amounts of molasses plus I'm going on what I've read. Page 290 in the Medical Growers Bible, states 20% weight gain in the buds using "sugar" but no mention on taste nor the dose. Not arguing, just pointing out what Jorge wrote.
ThorGanjason
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J is very correct. Molasses main benefit is to feed the beneficial bacteria in a soil grow so that they can become populated. Its helpful to feed a teaspoon or so with water 2-3 times during the seedling/early veg stage, but you don't want to keep using it after.
You want to supply enough carbs to increase the population of the bacteria, but then you want them to stop feeding on the molasses and start feeding on your organic compounds so it can make the nutrients available. Continuing to feed molasses will only keep feeding the bacteria, and they won't unlock the nutrient goodness (in other words continuing to feed with molasses defeats the purpose of using it)
You want to supply enough carbs to increase the population of the bacteria, but then you want them to stop feeding on the molasses and start feeding on your organic compounds so it can make the nutrients available. Continuing to feed molasses will only keep feeding the bacteria, and they won't unlock the nutrient goodness (in other words continuing to feed with molasses defeats the purpose of using it)
harris hawk
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Not so much yield but for taste and use in late flower
jondamon
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Non.
Canna coco nutes aren't organic. They're chemical nutrients. Chemical nutrients don't have any organic matter for bacteria to breakdown as the nutrient ions are directly available for uptake via the roots.
CANNA BOOST ACCELERATOR is a complete waste of money.
J
jondamon
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Oh dear me.
You do realise plants make their own sugars and starches during photosynthesis....
J
jondamon
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Here are some keywords for you to research.
"ENDODERMIS" "CASPARIAN STRIP" "MICRO ENCAPSULATION"
J
jondamon
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Never read any grow bibles. I don't see the point in them. Just a stoner telling a stoner how a grow a plant.
20% gain in weight lol.
That one would have me rolling on the floor with laughter.
Co2 = 20% gain
Sugar I don't think so.
Don't people say that Jorge probably hasn't ever grown a plant???
J
Cobnobuler
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Here this one goes again.....Molasses
.....and what about flushing ?
.....and what about flushing ?
Nullis
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Plants can only absorb very minor amounts of the smallest mono-saccharides. If a plant root cell does take in any glucose, it is metabolized right there and will not be translocated.
Blackstrap has a variety of carbohydrates: glucose, fructose, sucrose, hemicelluloses, pectin and raffinose (in beet molasses) which cater to different microorganisms at different dosages (bacteria at higher doses, fungi at lower). Molasses has amino and cyclic hydroxamic acids which complex with or chelate metals (such as Iron). Also, blackstrap molasses has significant amounts of potassium, iron, zinc, manganese, other trace minerals and even calcium and magnesium. Minerals are needed by plants and microbes in the soil.
Any limiting nutrient is going to have an effect on plant growth and thus yield, and characteristics such as smell. Point being if blackstrap happens to be providing an otherwise limited nutrient, then yes the results will be overwhelmingly positive.
Blackstrap has a variety of carbohydrates: glucose, fructose, sucrose, hemicelluloses, pectin and raffinose (in beet molasses) which cater to different microorganisms at different dosages (bacteria at higher doses, fungi at lower). Molasses has amino and cyclic hydroxamic acids which complex with or chelate metals (such as Iron). Also, blackstrap molasses has significant amounts of potassium, iron, zinc, manganese, other trace minerals and even calcium and magnesium. Minerals are needed by plants and microbes in the soil.
Any limiting nutrient is going to have an effect on plant growth and thus yield, and characteristics such as smell. Point being if blackstrap happens to be providing an otherwise limited nutrient, then yes the results will be overwhelmingly positive.
MedicatedGrow
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Personally I have done a side by side and people can tell me different but molasses had made a big difference in my grow.
I used AN 3 step lineup with two of the same strains planted at the same time. One with molasses and other with nothing, the one with molasses was a bit denser and a lot more smell/resin. Doubt it made it taste sweeter as it tasted as the strain does everytime.
I used AN 3 step lineup with two of the same strains planted at the same time. One with molasses and other with nothing, the one with molasses was a bit denser and a lot more smell/resin. Doubt it made it taste sweeter as it tasted as the strain does everytime.
jondamon
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Nullis
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Another note: unsulphured blackstrap or 3rd molasses is more effective\appropriate for horticulture, although some companies do sell Hi-Brix molasses for plants. Blackstrap has less sugar and more minerals, with much more potassium than the kind more commonly used for baking (e.g. Grandma's which has more sugar and 1/3rd the K).