Double Harvest

[Uncle Ben]

I just "strip" off all lower branches and the first 2-5 buds per branch and its all chunky! no need to wait on pop corn, rip that shit off early (day 10-17) flower and it will all go to the top! its need if you in CAlI because clubs wont ever look if they see popcorn

If it "goes all to the top" it's because someone did something based on feelings rather than understanding plant processes and the life cycle of cannabis. It has to do with apical dominance, hormonal responses.

Don't mix up marketing and sales with botany - apples and oranges.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I haven't tried double harvest before, but due to my limited growing space I think it might work for me. However, there's one thing that doesn't fit.. what about flushing the plant?
Usually I would feed the plant nothing but water for the last week before harvesting it.

Any thoughts on this?

Yeah, don't flush. It's another bullshit drill, a misguided forum paradigm, parroted by each new crop of newbs.

I bet you also use bloom foods?

 

[GrowersWarehouse]

Whenever I have tried doing that it stresses the plant and the lower buds never reach their full potential. I recommend just waiting until the plant finishes ripening.

 

[GrowersWarehouse]

Yeah, don't flush. It's another bullshit drill, a misguided forum paradigm, parroted by each new crop of newbs.

I bet you also use bloom foods?

bloom foods? As in Potassium and Phosphate?

 

[GrowersWarehouse]

I've been farming over 15 years I've tried this technique and when I have the lower buds never reach their full potential.

 

[Uncle Ben]

bloom foods? As in Potassium and Phosphate?

Yes. Bloom foods will actually work against you and in the favor of the seller.

 

[TechnicalToker]

I would really like you to expand on the bloom nutes Uncle Ben. I have just flipped, and on recommendation, I am using grow nutes and MH lamp until the strech is over. The I have flowering nutes with a booster that I am supposed to add at week 5 of flowering. What am I supposed to drop and what am I supposed to feed?

Thank you

 

[Uncle Ben]

I would really like you to expand on the bloom nutes Uncle Ben. I have just flipped, and on recommendation, I am using grow nutes and MH lamp until the strech is over. The I have flowering nutes with a booster that I am supposed to add at week 5 of flowering. What am I supposed to drop and what am I supposed to feed?

Thank you

You're supposed to keep the leaves happy.

 

[lilroach]

I have found that the bloom-foods that are top-heavy in Phosphorus and lacking in Nitrogen are counter-productive. I went with high phosphorus and no nitrogen a few grows ago....all of a sudden the plants stopped smelling....as soon as I re-introduced N to my plants the amazing bud-smell returned. I use a NPK of 2-3-2 on a daily feeding (small dosages) and the plants seem happy.

 

[skunkd0c]

You mean butchering your plants by pulling off the very unit that produces bud. That makes a lot of sense.



Wrong. It's not an issue of "necessary". It's an issue of finessing your garden and using botanical common sense.

Since your plants have no lower leaves left upon harvest, I'd expect this kind of spin and sideways anger out of you. Sour grapes?

UB

This above comment from you is absolute nonsense

If you are unable to successfully produce solid cola on lower branches (strain permitting) within one single harvest period your technique is at fault.

Requiring two separate harvests on a single plant/crop is conclusive evidence that the crop grew with light penetration problems.

A strain that would take 8-9 weeks may take a further 3-4 weeks to finish off lower immature buds
this would take the total grow time of a 8-9 weeks strain upto a possible of 13 weeks, this is neither time efficient or desirable.

if penetration issues are a problem for you, and you are unsuccessful at producing a plant that is completely mature on lower branches
employing pruning techniques / training and or lower lighting , or even growing smaller plants would be the logical remedy to this problem

by the time you are finishing off the lower branches of your first crop i have already started the next which would of entered flowering

why do you want folk to waste electricity, do you own shares in a power company ?

peace

 

[Uncle Ben]

....Requiring two separate harvests on a single plant/crop is conclusive evidence that the crop grew with light penetration problems.

It doesn't conclude shit and you're beginning to sound like a noob that blindly feels that buds require light. I thought I made myself clear, sheesh. My double harvest technique is not a requirement just like anything else around here (i.e. topping for 4 main colas). It's just another way I do business, and it works damn well IF you don't do the RIU fuckup drill by ruining your leaves with idiot defoliation drills and using bloom foods.

if penetration issues are a problem for you, and you are unsuccessful at producing a plant that is completely mature on lower branches employing pruning techniques / training and or lower lighting , or even growing smaller plants would be the logical remedy to this problem

Speaking of ridiculous statements, my indoor plants are crammed into each other. Branches of one grow into the other. I ALWAYS have heavy production at the lower levels compared to most. I'm not doing the skunkdoc rope-a-dope lollipopped one foot tall plants. I do SOB, large tall plants. Witness photos amongst many others I've shown a hundred times here -

A strain that would take 8-9 weeks may take a further 3-4 weeks to finish off lower immature buds

You're speaking out of turn because you've never tried it, not that I care if you do. It takes about another 2 weeks to get to where I want to go.

You obviously do not understand concepts of apical dominance or have a broad knowledge base of plant materials..... nor are you capable of acknowledging the fact that NO crop will come in consistently ripe with a short window of time and that includes everything I know of - apples, peaches, grapes, tomatoes, peppers, flowering annuals. I think you're here just to start a fight....am happy to oblige ya.

And since cannabis is nothing more than a flowering annual, a foliage plant, the fact that ripeness occurs over time includes cannabis. Cannabanoids (including THC) is produced over a month or so and accordingly like fruit the constituents of the cannabanoid mix, development and profile are totally different at week 3 versus week 9, as is bud development and mass. Cannabanoids are in a constant state of development and "degradation" from say..... week 3 to harvest.

UB

 

[skunkd0c]

It doesn't conclude shit. Skunk, I thought I made myself clear, sheesh. It's not a requirement just like anything else is (i.e. topping for 4 main colas). It's just another way I do business, and it works damn well IF you don't do the RIU fuckup drill by ruining your leaves.

Speaking of ridiculous statements, my indoor plants are crammed into each other. Branches of one grow into the other. I ALWAYS have heavy production at the lower levels compared to most. I'm not doing the skunkdoc rope-a-dope lollipopped one foot tall plants. I do SOB. Witness photos amongst many others I've shown a hundred times here -

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You're speaking out of turn because you've never tried it, not that I care if you do. It takes about another 2 weeks to get to where I want to go.

UB

I have seen those pictures before, you post them all the time as they are the only pictures you seem to have
i have told you in various threads i am not impressed

how would you know what i have and have not done ?
this is ignorant speculation form you

can you please explain why your lower buds are not developing and require "about" another 2 weeks to finish off ?
please address the question

i remember reading recently that you grow fruit trees and that you have not grown cannabis for security reasons for a number of years

shame

 

[lilroach]

Ah....the war continues to wage between skunkdoc and uncle ben.....when will it end?

I can only comment about light getting down to the lower leaves and branches. Due to not scheduling things right, I ended up with 11 plants in my 5x7 flower room. These were not small plants by any stretch of the imagination. I have about 1/2 that are at least 32" tall and a 52" to boot. These plants are stuffed in there. I was very worried about light penetration getting to my lower branches.

This is a plant I just harvested that endured being stuffed against the wall of my flower room. As you can see, I'm not a fan of defoliating:

What blew me away was when I got down to the stump...there were buds and branches that I know haven't seen direct light in months.

While they were not either big or impressive, they had somehow survived not getting any direct lighting.

The big and impressive was just above these little suckers (AKA the rest of the plant). Personally....I defoliate the day of the harvest.

Let's count the number of yellow leaves that didn't get shit for light exposure......hummmm....one? I could show you pictures of the other 10 plants in the flower room and while they are all jammed together....have no yellow leaves.

My point is that Uncle Ben is correct when he talks about how a plant processes light energy.

 

[qwizoking]

Double harvesting has always been detrimental to my landrace sativas...will never do it again

Leaves that don't get light will be deemed unworthy by the plant and yellow..if it takes more energy to keep it alive than it produces...I see quite a few down In there

But its also impossible to keep fan leaves green on a 6month sativa..its not how it naturally grows

 

[lilroach]

Double harvesting has always been detrimental to my landrace sativas...will never do it again

Leaves that don't get light will be deemed unworthy by the plant and yellow..if it takes more energy to keep it alive than it produces...I see quite a few down In there

But its also impossible to keep fan leaves green on a 6month sativa..its not how it naturally grows

If what you say is true...can you point out where this is evident on this plant? I can post numerous other plants that show no yellowing of leaves due to lack of light specifically on those leaves.

Edit: This plant is 90% sativa dom (dinafem's original amnesia).

 

[lilroach]

ah.....I see what you're pointing out...the dead leaves in the container. I can tell you that a good share of those where inadvertently yanked during feeding. One of the downsides of leaving all the leaves on is that the water container bashes the lower leaves pretty good...that and my clumsy-ass hand pulling on them when lifting the plant from here-to-there.

If what you're saying is true....how is it that there's buds growing on the stump....they should have said "good-bye" a long time ago.

If what you're saying is true...I should have more dead leaves on my flower-room floor. Sure, I get one or two, but compared to the number that are not getting direct light, I should have to sweep the floor often...which I don't.

 

[Uncle Ben]

If what you say is true...can you point out where this is evident on this plant? I can post numerous other plants that show no yellowing of leaves due to lack of light specifically on those leaves.

Edit: This plant is 90% sativa dom (dinafem's original amnesia).

Pearls before swine. Like me, you gave evidence, they present spin.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Double harvesting has always been detrimental to my landrace sativas...will never do it again

Last year I double harvested a couple of 7' tall TFD O. Haze sativas grown outdoors and it worked out fine, as usual. What in the hell are you talking about? Or perhaps I should ask, "how did you screw that one up?"

Indica versus sativa, it's all the same if you know what you're doing.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

What blew me away was when I got down to the stump...there were buds and branches that I know haven't seen direct light in months.

Yeppers....

 

[qwizoking]

Its not at all.. a true sativa looses its fan leaves around week 16..new fan leaves develop at the base of budsites those will stay green till harvest.. this is why they were called "gold" because true sativas yellow naturally.....I've literally never grown an indica. I only grow landrace sativas