MMPR Pricing and Varieties

[Kootenaygirl]

So far were seeing 6-12 dollars a gram from the MMPR. That covers the thread heading LOL. Hoping it gets hijacked.

Everyone is talking quality bud. Has anyone considered offering any of the rest of the plant? Many patients prefer to eat or drink it but will find the cost prohibitive under the new system.

When we are hand trimming our crops we find it very easy to sort everything into stem, fan leaves, bud trimmings (seconds) and buds. The stem has no medical value I'm aware of, but the fan leaves can be used for juicing and many other things. The seconds are covered in crystal and make very potent cookies as well as being hard to tell the difference from the bud when used in a vaporizer.

HC says we are only allowed to sell "dried marihuana" but they do not state how dry, only that it has gone through a "drying process". Can we offer seconds and fan leaves that are suitable for juicing and many other things, at a much reduced cost after our 20 minute drying process?

It would need an expiry date for sure and have to be shipped quickly or frozen. Testing it would add to the costs, reducing the benefit to the patients.

 

[leaffan]

Very risky proposition

 

[Kootenaygirl]

What risk? Get HC on board, they wrote the rules, as far as I can see we wouldn't be breaking them.

We would think that anybody risking their Production License is crazy, that is not an option, we always play within the rules, cheating is for DG's.

Another issue for marihuana that could be juiced would be the 150 g shipping limit for a wetter/heavier marihuana.

There are rules, let's explore where they take us, think outside the HC box within their rules. Let's help patients get what they need legally, that is also partly our responsibility too as wannabe LP's. Did HC not define the "drying process" on purpose to allow for this variation? HC does not tell us how to use our prescriptions either.

 

[Magenta Thumb]

Let's start with the dull MMPR and CDSA document reviews that shows Kootenaygirl seems to be on the right path:

MMPR:
There are no restrictions on how dried marihuana is to be ingested or inhaled, and patients may choose to use it, for example in foods or by vaporizing. HC does not limit or recommend a particular method of administration.

MMPR definitions of dry marihuana:
- “dried marihuana” means harvested marihuana that has been subjected to any drying process.
- “marihuana” means the substance referred to as “Cannabis (marihuana)” in subitem 1(2) of Schedule II to the Act.
- “Act” means the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
- CDSA “marihuana” seems, by inference, to “include leaves, flowers, seeds or branches” but not include “resin”

Note that "drying process" is never defined. Now the possible hiccup: I don't think you will have much leeway when it comes to defining it yourself. Given that they are urging you to use compendial methods as much as possible, they will likely fall back on something like this for dryness and also explains why they want it dried:
http://www.ema.europa.eu/docs/en_GB/document_library/Other/2009/09/WC500003093.pdf
Appropriate harvest/collection, drying and storage procedures reduce the risk for contamination with mycotoxins. For example, drying of the material following harvest as quickly as possible with a homogeneous loss on drying of < 12% (or even < 10%) as control measure reduces the risk. A reduced water activity (Aw) will assist in the prevention of contamination. The water activity requirements for the growth of different Gram-reactive bacteria, bacterial spores, yeasts and moulds are described in the literature. It is generally recognised that in products with water activity below 0.60, moulds and yeasts do not proliferate.

Now, as requested, I am going to attempt to fly this thread to Cuba:
One of the labs on the HC list looks to be up and running for MM and seriously looking to help with QA tasks:
http://www.experchemlab.com/news.php?id=38

TPNP is gearing up:
http://www.simcoe.com/news-story/4194694-clearview-medical-cannabis-grower-granted-commercial-licence/

 

[Kootenaygirl]

I saw seconds for sale on a compassion club site for $2.00 a gram.

 

[Doobius1]

MMPR:
There are no restrictions on how dried marihuana is to be ingested or inhaled, and patients may choose to use it, for example in foods or by vaporizing. HC does not limit or recommend a particular method

Does this mean we can make tincures, oils, hash and butter (you know...the REAL medicine!) out of your milled and nuked schwag?

 

[Kootenaygirl]

I don't know why you'd buy from PPS, but if that is what you are used to, yes, you the patient can make any of those for yourself.

 

[AB Bud Soon]

Selling the non-flower parts would be great. Even better would be if HC would allow the LPs to process the leafs to make it into oils or hash or butter and sell that to patients. I have already talked to a local place that might be interested in my waste stalks. According to HC, the stalk (once leaves/flowers/seeds are removed) have no potential risk value. They have use of these stalks for hemp products. Now I don't know much about the difference between hemp and MMJ plants, but would there be any use for it in the hemp industry?

Cheers

 

[Kootenaygirl]

Damn, this ain't Mighty Morphin Power Rangers!

 

[Kootenaygirl]

As a wannabe LP and a patient, this is the issue I think fellow patients should be making now to educate doctors and nurses about the new MMPR system.

START RANT Come on MMPR websites! WTF! I need to give you all my information, sign up for a year, and give you my prescription just to see your prices and varieties, bullshit. The only thing that the MMPR and MMAR have in common is the MM's, get your head out of your asses. We are not matching patients to growers any more. Open up your store already, let us sick people compare selections and prices so we can get the best medicines for ourselves at the best prices.

You LP's should distance yourself from that old flawed system. Just taking advantage of this short term monopoly on the backs of the sick? Sign up for a year, f-that! My doctor will give multiple prescriptions, now that he understands the new system and that one scribe will not let you order from more than one LP. I sure won't spend my money on places that make me give them all my info first, what a scam.

Automatically refill order? I want to shop every month for the latest and greatest, I want to learn what works best for me through experimentation. Give me 5/grams of this to try and that, and that, yada yada!! One LP per patient, bullshit, doctors know about variety, they also know that this is the first opportunity for patients to know what they are getting and experiment with real numbers. My doc will give me 1g/day scribes for each of my g's/day overall prescription, maybe I should go see him once a month too and only get scribes for a month at a time. Once I learn what works best, then and only then will I settle for 2 or three LP's varieties. Does anybody with good compassion club access not shop around, try new strains a little bit at a time, it is not rocket science!

Time to wake up LP's. Ever heard of a middle man, soon you won't be competing with other growers you'll have to compete in an open market, where patients get to see behind the veil, good luck with your closed door exclusive access then, us patients will remember. END RANT

After patients growing their own medicine, this issue will be a nightmare for patients and LP's if they are not very careful. My compassion club owner friend says that the worst words out of his growers mouths are either, "I'm starting on a new strain" or " I am moving my location" because he knows the quality and quantity will suffer during the time it takes for a grower to fine tune. Put those together and we will likely have smaller crops of less than great weed no matter the skill of the grower. You want to have signed a year long contract with a single grower, ouch, hello dud bud for a year, if they even have enough after over selling and under growing. Us patients will determine shortly what is the best medicine for what and we will vote with our loonies. Doctors and nurses do not understand the system by and large and need to be educated fast, before the first scribes get signed, too late. stirring up the pot

 

[Tuvok]

Could not agree more. I was going to apply but then found out I have to give up my Possesion permit as well as my DG permit. I dont think SO!!!

Right now I have a great grower. Had a glitch or two but in the large picture it has worked out perfect. Meds have been Good to Very Good in my opinion
and have alwas looked after my pain requirments.
Looking at the web pages of the 3 permited Growers on Gov. wep page and i find all
3 discust me. No where do they show you the bud. On one site i found the price is $6 per gram but again have no idea what it is they are selling.
I use Cannotonic for night time meds and Malawii Gold for day time. This combo with a few other strains thrown in for diversity keeps me moving and feeling Good.
So do they have anything that compares? Why are they being so secritive? Now as far as price at 6 per gram that just Doubbled the cost of my meds. What an absolute crock of SHIT!!!!!!

 

[AB Bud Soon]

Could not agree more. I was going to apply but then found out I have to give up my Possesion permit as well as my DG permit. I dont think SO!!!

Right now I have a great grower. Had a glitch or two but in the large picture it has worked out perfect. Meds have been Good to Very Good in my opinion
and have alwas looked after my pain requirments.
Looking at the web pages of the 3 permited Growers on Gov. wep page and i find all
3 discust me. No where do they show you the bud. On one site i found the price is $6 per gram but again have no idea what it is they are selling.
I use Cannotonic for night time meds and Malawii Gold for day time. This combo with a few other strains thrown in for diversity keeps me moving and feeling Good.
So do they have anything that compares? Why are they being so secritive? Now as far as price at 6 per gram that just Doubbled the cost of my meds. What an absolute crock of SHIT!!!!!!

Not being secretive...just nothing to sell to you yet, so nothing to show on their website. You may not be aware of this, but they only got their license within the last few weeks. NOW...if u know anything about growing MJ, then u know it takes more than 3 or 4 weeks. Their options (now that they have their LP approval) is:
1) Buy a few Kg of mmj from the Netherlands and package it for sale.
2) Finish growing the mmj that just hit dirt 3 weeks ago, veg it, flower it, harvest it, dry/cure it, QC it (5 to 10 days), then package it for sale. So add 3 months to today to have their own stuff ready for sale.

So if you're looking to start a conspiracy theory about them being "secretive", then you are a few months ahead of the game. Secondly, I doubt that they will sell it under the street names that you are familiar with. So now might be a good time to ask your dealer/grower what the known THC and CBD levels of your current MMJ is. Then once more companies come online, you will be familiar with what they are selling as to how it compares to your usual purchases.

Cheers

 

[Doobius1]

As a wannabe LP and a patient, this is the issue I think fellow patients should be making now to educate doctors and nurses about the new MMPR system.

START RANT Come on MMPR websites! WTF! I need to give you all my information, sign up for a year, and give you my prescription just to see your prices and varieties, bullshit. The only thing that the MMPR and MMAR have in common is the MM's, get your head out of your asses. We are not matching patients to growers any more. Open up your store already, let us sick people compare selections and prices so we can get the best medicines for ourselves at the best prices.

You LP's should distance yourself from that old flawed system. Just taking advantage of this short term monopoly on the backs of the sick? Sign up for a year, f-that! My doctor will give multiple prescriptions, now that he understands the new system and that one scribe will not let you order from more than one LP. I sure won't spend my money on places that make me give them all my info first, what a scam.

Automatically refill order? I want to shop every month for the latest and greatest, I want to learn what works best for me through experimentation. Give me 5/grams of this to try and that, and that, yada yada!! One LP per patient, bullshit, doctors know about variety, they also know that this is the first opportunity for patients to know what they are getting and experiment with real numbers. My doc will give me 1g/day scribes for each of my g's/day overall prescription, maybe I should go see him once a month too and only get scribes for a month at a time. Once I learn what works best, then and only then will I settle for 2 or three LP's varieties. Does anybody with good compassion club access not shop around, try new strains a little bit at a time, it is not rocket science!

Time to wake up LP's. Ever heard of a middle man, soon you won't be competing with other growers you'll have to compete in an open market, where patients get to see behind the veil, good luck with your closed door exclusive access then, us patients will remember. END RANT

After patients growing their own medicine, this issue will be a nightmare for patients and LP's if they are not very careful. My compassion club owner friend says that the worst words out of his growers mouths are either, "I'm starting on a new strain" or " I am moving my location" because he knows the quality and quantity will suffer during the time it takes for a grower to fine tune. Put those together and we will likely have smaller crops of less than great weed no matter the skill of the grower. You want to have signed a year long contract with a single grower, ouch, hello dud bud for a year, if they even have enough after over selling and under growing. Us patients will determine shortly what is the best medicine for what and we will vote with our loonies. Doctors and nurses do not understand the system by and large and need to be educated fast, before the first scribes get signed, too late. stirring up the pot

Hmmm...maybe you're not so bad after all

 

[Kootenaygirl]

Tell that to peace naturals, gotta sign up to even see if they have product.

 

[Brian Savage]

The MMPR is unconstitutional and will not be enacted as is. You have fun smoking that irradiated shake and stem.

 

[Kootenaygirl]

Hope your right. But I gotta say Brian, disappointing post, just a jab, no witty or intelligent debate? Was expecting better.

 

[Brian Savage]

I've said what I needed to say, the courts will decided the legality of the Torys harebrained policy.

 

[cannadan]

nothing like constantly being ganged up on by the up coming LP types...
your personalities are showing thru....
its no wonder most of us don't post much until we can no longer stand the BS

 

[Kootenaygirl]

I'm sorry you feel that way Dan. From my point of view, as one who has studied all the different aspects of the MMPR, not standing for the BS is constant, even the media has it wrong most of the time.

Can't stand the heat get out of the fire. I am a minority, holding feet to the facts, I admit when I'm wrong, tired of the ignorant MMPR smears. Please read the regs and the 19 other related documents (sofar).

Many of the smears, either are totally false or just ridiculous.

Didn't you notice that I like to debate both sides, as we are patients too, lets challenge the facts(rules). Your getting flak from people who are risking a lot, and therefore have studied everything they can. "Can't stand the BS",..... tell me/us about it.

What your missing Dan is that, MMPR stands for "people of marihuana", we eat it, breath it, grow it, medicate with it, rub it on our bodies, it is our lives, we believe, now we might be able to earn a living with it and we are trying to embrace it.

Like you Dan, I just can't stand all the Bullshit. Call me out on anything you think was less than factual, I can take it. I think that I have made it clear when it is just my opinion too.

I've gone back and read, and I think you may be a little sensitive, none of the posts read that way to me.

Last but not least, this site(rollitup), was the only one that has had any constructive dialogue about the MMPR that we could find, most were so full of bullshit and hate that I couldn't bring myself to wade in. This is probably concentrating the few MMPR wannabes here. Everywhere blind hate for the MMPR except here, and you feel ganged up on? Sorry, but I will reject the hate and lies, just can't let this site slide, thankyou maximum.

I speak for myself and my husband only and hope that others will speak up on either side of the issue. Thank you cannadan for speaking up, I respect that.

 

[Magenta Thumb]

[snipped] Last but not least, this site(rollitup), was the only one that has had any constructive dialogue about the MMPR that we could find, most were so full of bullshit and hate that I couldn't bring myself to wade in. [snipped]

I was just happy to find a site wherein folks seemed to communicate in coherent English, Kootenaygirl being a case in point. For example, IC & CC have an egregious amount of cacophony; hard to find the wheat for the chaff.