Experienced Electrician! Here to Answer Any and All Growroom Electrical Questions

hibok

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Hey guys, migrated here from another site. A site that blames broad mites on everything. lol

I have always been fortunate to have sparkys very close to me. I have relocated and now I am dealing with the "f....I shouldve watched him.." mode.

I have a Titan Helios 8 light controller. Now in the past I have always used HPH-8s from Sent, and there has always been just three wire to connect ( green black white). In this particular location, the Titan is what I was dealt.

When I open the titan box, I am presented with 4 ...the green, obviously ground. But, then there is 3 more places to place wiring. I am confused and wanting to know why there is 4, including the ground hook up? Of those three open spots after i connect my ground, does it matter where my Black, and White wires go?

Here is the PDF manual to the titan helios 8, i understand if you dont want to click something from someone new.
http://www.titancontrols.net/media/8221/702677_helios8_instructions.pdf At the bottom you see the wiring diagram. They dont show the ground, the ground I understand. Just want to understand why there is those three? I always have just used Ground-green and a black and white. That diagram shows 3, not including ground. Sorry just trying to be specific and im becoming long winded lol
its a 240 volt system, two hots , one neutral. you got the one wit bare end?

and dont forget taht your running 240 system so make sure your ballast are set to 240 else your 120 volt ballast will make a loud noise and a little cloud will form. leaving a burnt smell.
 

Manystacks

New Member
its a 240 volt system, two hots , one neutral. you got the one wit bare end?

and dont forget taht your running 240 system so make sure your ballast are set to 240 else your 120 volt ballast will make a loud noise and a little cloud will form. leaving a burnt smell.
I understand that. One with bare end? You mean left open, not used?
All my shits to 240, Im just confused why they offer 4 slots for wiring(including ground) when all you need is 3, including ground. Is it for mere convenience when installing wire?
 

hibok

Well-Known Member
two are for the hot, 120 volt, 120 volt , neutral, and ground.

50 amps you will be running a 8/3 AWG ( black , red, white, and ground)


does it look something like install.jpg
 

Abiqua

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Red wire from 12 volts power supply to terminal #1 on the pot. Red wire from fan to terminal #3 on the pot. Jumper wire from terminal #2 to terminal #3 on the pot. Black wire from the fan to the black wire from the 12 volts power supply. There should be no black wire going to the pot. Why are you using the 5k pot? You should be using the 1k pot.
^ The 5k was what I was given initially and I wasn't exactly sure what I needed. I have 1k pots as replacements, so I am soldering tomorrow morning, 1st thing.


I feel like an idiot, but that is how we all learn, double check and asking saved me. Rep

Thank you for the big save, Stevie




Like this:???
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Manystacks

New Member
two are for the hot, 120 volt, 120 volt , neutral, and ground.

50 amps you will be running a 8/3 AWG ( black , red, white, and ground)



does it look something like View attachment 2899989
This shit is tough for me to understand man...With my sentinel hph-8s my elecs have always just used Ground and Black and white. Why with this titan do I need 4 wires? Why is 4 an option?
Its a 50 amp breaker and I have always used 6/3 sow.

Yea thats the same diagram, but doesn't show ground* of course.
 

SnapsProvolone

Well-Known Member
This shit is tough for me to understand man...With my sentinel hph-8s my elecs have always just used Ground and Black and white. Why with this titan do I need 4 wires? Why is 4 an option?
Its a 50 amp breaker and I have always used 6/3 sow.

Yea thats the same diagram, but doesn't show breaker of course.
The neutral is required if say a timer or contactor coils need 120v.
 

hibok

Well-Known Member
our 6/3 will have a black(120volt), red(120volt) , white(neutral), bare(ground). your going to add a 50 amp breaker to your panel. run your 6/3 from your panel to the sentinel. your 50 amp breaker will have two screws one one for the black and one for the red. the 50 amp breaker has two poles which connect to each 120volt phase of the bus bar.
 

Manystacks

New Member
The neutral is required if say a timer or contactor coils need 120v.
Not sure I fully understand. My set up is ..50amp - to the Titan 8 - to my Sentinel Hid, which is my timer, where I plug my trigger plugs from my titan to ( this is an 8 light flower). Like I have said, only have used sentinel hph8s, and have only ever used 3 wires total (6/3). This titan shows four slots including ground. Do I disregard one of the slots? Sorry im thick and I need to be completely clear.
 

Stevie51

Active Member
Not sure I fully understand. My set up is ..50amp - to the Titan 8 - to my Sentinel Hid, which is my timer, where I plug my trigger plugs from my titan to ( this is an 8 light flower). Like I have said, only have used sentinel hph8s, and have only ever used 3 wires total (6/3). This titan shows four slots including ground. Do I disregard one of the slots? Sorry im thick and I need to be completely clear.
First off we need to verify a few things. With nothing wired to the light controller, plug the trigger cord into a 120 volts wall receptacle and listen for a "click" indicating that the contactor (relay coil)) has energized. Unplug the trigger cord from the wall receptacle. Using an ohmmeter check to see if there is continuity from the middle terminal (neutral in the diagram) to the ground slot in the receptacles on the lighting controller. If there is no continuity, you will not be using the neutral terminal. I hate to say this, but I would almost be tempted to break the "Warranty is void if broken" sticker to look inside the light controller. Titan didn't mention anything about having any kind of overcurrent protection inside the lighting controller to the receptacles for the ballast cords.
 

powerslide

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I don't get the question your trying to ask?

like convert 240v to 110?
Exactly! I have a 240 welder plug in my shop. My shop 110 powers my "flower" room. I have a 240 welder plug and I want to be able to plug a small panel into it that has 110 outlets. Essential creating another avenue for 110 power but being able to unplug it and still use my welder. I think I've seen it done before.
 

SnapsProvolone

Well-Known Member
Not sure I fully understand. My set up is ..50amp - to the Titan 8 - to my Sentinel Hid, which is my timer, where I plug my trigger plugs from my titan to ( this is an 8 light flower). Like I have said, only have used sentinel hph8s, and have only ever used 3 wires total (6/3). This titan shows four slots including ground. Do I disregard one of the slots? Sorry im thick and I need to be completely clear.
What's the difficulty? You have a three wire receptacle?

Use a jumper to connect ground lug to the neutral lug on a three wire. Like on a range.
 

SnapsProvolone

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Exactly! I have a 240 welder plug in my shop. My shop 110 powers my "flower" room. I have a 240 welder plug and I want to be able to plug a small panel into it that has 110 outlets. Essential creating another avenue for 110 power but being able to unplug it and still use my welder. I think I've seen it done before.
Can be done with a subpanel to break down the 50 amp feed.
 

hibok

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Exactly! I have a 240 welder plug in my shop. My shop 110 powers my "flower" room. I have a 240 welder plug and I want to be able to plug a small panel into it that has 110 outlets. Essential creating another avenue for 110 power but being able to unplug it and still use my welder. I think I've seen it done before.
whats your amperage of the overcurrent device (breaker) that the welder out let is currently wired up to?
 

Stevie51

Active Member
^ The 5k was what I was given initially and I wasn't exactly sure what I needed. I have 1k pots as replacements, so I am soldering tomorrow morning, 1st thing.


I feel like an idiot, but that is how we all learn, double check and asking saved me. Rep

Thank you for the big save, Stevie




Like this:???
View attachment 2900012
Yes the diagram is correct. As you are perhaps well aware of, the resistance of the 1k pot is way too much. We could replace the pot with one of another value, or we could simulate a lower-value pot by placing a resistor in parallel with it, diminishing its maximum obtainable resistance. Placing a 100 ohms 3 watt resistor connected from terminal #1 to terminal #3, will decrease the span of the pot to 91 ohms, but that span will become non-linear.
 

SnapsProvolone

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Looks like a 50. It's a 3 prong plug
Ok. By code your subpanel needs an EGC that's fed back to the main panel. This is to prevent the panel housing from becoming "hot" in the event of an open neutral as well as providing a pathway for surge dissipation on your resulting 120v circuits.

Question: is there a ground (bare copper) conductor in the outlet box behind the three prong receptacle? It needs to become a four prong.
 

hibok

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Powerslide, so you have 40amps to play with for an 80% demand factor.

from here you can pick up a 1 phase 50 amp subpanel, 6/3 wire or if your hardware store has a standalone 240 plug that the same as the configuration of your welding plug comes in 6ft i believe, and two 20 amp breakers
EZPZ ?
 
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