All Strains Are Fake
- Thread starter Big Trees
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So tell us about the land grab. A sweet field like this is gonna have lots of experts contesting for the big research money. Who do you think is going to split up the spoils of this campaign?Oh God.
I don't think chemistry has all that much to offer to the discussion. Not until the research gates are opened and we can properly assign effects profiles to cannabinoid-ratio profiles. And then the chemists are gonna have to play nice with the clinicians, who are the necessary human/geek interface buffer types.
I had two lool moments reading the article.
One was "turpenes". ~elitist giggle~
The other was inspecting "Jack Herer", perhaps the queen mother of hybrid strains. A little of everything is in there, and the chance that pretty much every profile from hard Haze to hard Afghani can come from a pollen-chucked sample of Jack Herer is nonzero. Also, whose Jack Herer? C99 was a "stabilized" strain offered by Bros. Grimm back around the turn of the millennium and was both admirably consistent and admirably asskicking in both categories: growing and smoking traits. Now C99 has been bred into a constellation of breeds that make me think of dog breeds, different trait sets being offered by different sources.
I'd trust this guy's analysis better if he compared landraces at the two ends of the varietal spectrum. Remember boy&girls: having an advanced chemistry degree does not certify that the practitioner either is honestly representing the profession ... or competently representing knowledge outside that profession.
Mind you ... some do. But often the sheer ego-swelling side effects of getting that Ph.D. lead to unwarranted opinions about related but not contained fields of sciences. Or complete wingnut opinions about sociopoliticoanthropologic issues. ~blush~ Or so I have been told ...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Imo the folks who control the Claims Office aka the FDA are the big ag and pharm concerns. Plutocrats skipping hand in hand are ... bracing, no? They guarantee our essential purity.
OH NO! I'm actually to loaded to ask the question! I smoked to fast or you typed to slow..... sigh....... but the music sounds wonderful
Singlemalt
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I agree, weed is not nor has the importance of say rice or corn......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rice_Research_Institute.........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize.....Imo the folks who control the Claims Office aka the FDA are the big ag and pharm concerns. Plutocrats skipping hand in hand are ... bracing, no? They guarantee our essential purity.
If only the major religions had used weed as a sacrament
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Ve haff incrreazed ze specific impulze of ze veeed to achief orrbit ..OH NO! I'm actually to loaded to ask the question! I smoked to fast or you typed to slow..... sigh....... but the music sounds wonderful
the new strain ... Peenemünde x Tuttlingen
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About damn time too you ole sheep skinner you. Anyway I'm thinking the chemists are going to be a royal pain in the orifice over this one. Agra's botanists/horticulturists will have nothing over you guys and your long whites flapping about like disgruntled ravens pecking at a royally messed up carcass
so far you've been at the forefront of every potential chem. find until now. There will be much clucking and head shaking at how badly we screwed it all up More fun than say...
AlGore
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You guys I think are missing the point somewhat.
It's not so much about botany, its about the chemical make-up of the compounds and that when you get right down to it, the same chemicals are in every single strain. In the Cup video they even talk about how the different effects from indica and sativa are being shown to boil down to 1 single compound that is more prevalent in indicas.
I have no doubt that the different strains I get are legit and that they have different flavors and effects, but what they are trying to say is if you apply science to it you can give patience much better, consistent medicine.
If you watch the 2nd video link I posted some of the most well respected guys in this industry talk about exaclty this kind of shit. They even touch on the fact that with all this "gurlllia" research going on, legitmate doctors and resarrchers are gaining access to this stuff YEARS before big pharma will be able to get on-board.
PS> I also love how Addison knocks Derrik down a peg or two, I have 3gs of Derrik's shit right now and it's no where near as good as some others. Its too pure and flavorless, these peeps need to refine their process so they don't have to oven vac for hours and remove all the goodies. But that's another topic, lol.
It's not so much about botany, its about the chemical make-up of the compounds and that when you get right down to it, the same chemicals are in every single strain. In the Cup video they even talk about how the different effects from indica and sativa are being shown to boil down to 1 single compound that is more prevalent in indicas.
I have no doubt that the different strains I get are legit and that they have different flavors and effects, but what they are trying to say is if you apply science to it you can give patience much better, consistent medicine.
If you watch the 2nd video link I posted some of the most well respected guys in this industry talk about exaclty this kind of shit. They even touch on the fact that with all this "gurlllia" research going on, legitmate doctors and resarrchers are gaining access to this stuff YEARS before big pharma will be able to get on-board.
PS> I also love how Addison knocks Derrik down a peg or two, I have 3gs of Derrik's shit right now and it's no where near as good as some others. Its too pure and flavorless, these peeps need to refine their process so they don't have to oven vac for hours and remove all the goodies. But that's another topic, lol.
Commander Strax
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You are comparing apples and apples.... then just assuming all apples are the same
guy incognito
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All apples are the same. There are no such thing as apple strains.
ASMALLVOICE
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They changed the word to "variety" and of which there are over 7000 variations.
Peace
Asmallvoice
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But there are strained apples.
hempyninja309
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Tell that to this guy... [video=youtube;bULWw-gfJsM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bULWw-gfJsM[/video]
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
Yeah, I saw an Apple the other day trying to loosen the lug nuts on his car, he was straining away..
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If you have enough money the technical gulf is nothing and if you think *they* haven't been paying attention, you have not been paying attention.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
My damned router just ate a long reply to this.
The gist:
different strains have different effects, both subjective (the high) and medicinal (symptoms relieved or exacerbated).
It's an axiom of pharmacology that different effects require different drugs, or a different dose and ratio of shared drugs, to be in action.
So i reject that we're dealing with "the same compounds" here.
The chemists have their work cut out for them. The actives have to be identified and tested singly and in likely ratios of combination.
If a plant acts differently, there is an unidentified active factor there to be unmasked.
And with the bewildering variety of strains ... and the almost infinite number of phenotypes being expressed in these unstabilized hybrid cultivars ... the amount of work to be done in order to only survey the terrain is large. And that is just from the perspective of the chemist, whose job it is to identify and then deliver the pure and compounded actives to the medical research community and ultimately the patients.
Big Trees
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So a fuji is the same as a red delicious cause last time i ate apples they tasted quite different. Now all fuji don't taste the same but each have a distinct taste that makes me recognize them as a fuji, same as red delicious