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  1. SupraSPL

    Top bin COB comparison

    I use a combination of bare COBs in the center of the canopy and reflectorized COBs on the edge of the canopy. I suspect that if I used short reflectors in the center I could improve gpw. I do believe reflector losses will be lower than wall losses because the reflector has more opportunities...
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    CXB spectrum vs output

    Not sure exactly which device he used but maybe he can fill us in @welight Some of the methodology is here (Cree 5700K test)
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    CXB3590 1500W

    You can adjust for a tall canopy by increasing PPFD. So you could: increase current or run them even lower (350mA) and pack them in tighter. You could also use higher angle lenses or reflectors. I run mine at 500-700mA, no lenses on the center COBs and the ladies are as tall as 5.5 feet tall at...
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    CXB3590 1500W

    I come up with 811 PPFD averaged for 6 sq ft. Yes that should treat you very well in you 2X3. Good luck!
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    CXB spectrum vs output

    Thanks to Mark we were able to compare the SPD and output of the 3000 80CRi 3500 80CRi and 4000K 70CRi. Butwe will have to work on getting the SPD for the 4000K 80 CRi CD bin. Once we have that, @alesh might be able to extract the LER and QER, then Apogee should be able to get us the correction...
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    Please help me to stop blowing my LED's

    One major threat to a COB is intermittent power from a high voltage constant current driver because it can kill a COB instantly (over voltage). Because of this all wires have to be 100% secure during testing, especially if there is a single COB on a high voltage driver. Since your HLG-185H-C500...
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    CXB spectrum vs output

    I have also had good results from the 4000K 80 CRi CD in flower, but have not tried the 4000K 70 CRi DB. In veg, I have had good results from the 5000K 70 CRi CD and recently the 5000K 80 CRi CD became available. I expect the 4000K 70 CRi DB would be an even better veg light than the 5000K CD...
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    CXB spectrum vs output

    In Mark's test the 3000K = 3044K, the 3500K = 3375K and the 4000K 70 CRi = 3784K. The 4000K has the highest photon count and it has the least of its output above 700nm (where photosynthetic efficiency is known to drop off quite a bit). The 3500K has only slightly more output above 700nm, but not...
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    CXB spectrum vs output

    @mduke pointed out that Cutter (THANK YOU Mark @welight ) posted the SPDs (based on photon count) for some of the most popular CXBs and it takes the bin into account, the 3000K 80CRi CB, 3500K 80CRi CD and 4000K 70CRi DB. I tried to adjust them to be relative to each other in this gif
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    If you do run them soft, passive cooling is much more affordable and you can break the heatsinks...

    If you do run them soft, passive cooling is much more affordable and you can break the heatsinks into any size/shaoe that best fits your space. If you went with 15 CXB3590s @ 1050mA, tht would dissipate 555W at max, @ 66.3% that is 187W of heat into the heatsink. 187 heat W * 120cm² = 22440 cm²...
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    That is such a large difference in photon count (34% more) there is no way the spectral...

    That is such a large difference in photon count (34% more) there is no way the spectral improvement could make up for that. So for thos who want to tweak and maximize their lamps, the most effective you possible is to run big COBs soft.
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    To put that example in another perspective, the cost of SSL80 @ 700mA = 1.67W @ 43% = 2.34...

    To put that example in another perspective, the cost of SSL80 @ 700mA = 1.67W @ 43% = 2.34 umol/J cost $2.83/PAR W. If you were willing to pay $2.64/PAR W you could get: CXB3590 4000K BD @ 700mA = 23W @ 69.3% = 3.13 umol/J.
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    The best deep reds are probably Oslon SSL80 Hyper red, because of their 80 degree-ish beam...

    The best deep reds are probably Oslon SSL80 Hyper red, because of their 80 degree-ish beam pattern and relatively high efficiency, especially if you can get the 4T bin. Unfortunately the efficiency is far short of the 3590 so it will drag your system efficiency down but it can partially make up...
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    I agree the KB reflectors look very promising and I plan on doing some testing with them...

    I agree the KB reflectors look very promising and I plan on doing some testing with them, hopefully comparing against the LEDIL and also modifying them with the best performing reflector paint that I have found so far (Rustoleum High Heat White 7751830)
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    Happy New Year! So 18 PAR W/ft² puts you around 875 PPFD averaged. One example that would get...

    Happy New Year! So 18 PAR W/ft² puts you around 875 PPFD averaged. One example that would get you there, (3) HLG-185H-C1050s with 5 CXB3590s on each.
  16. SupraSPL

    Top bin COB comparison

    I guess the most useful way to use the PAR meter for those tests would be to make a map without walls and another inside the tent. Nice, Euroaquatics Angel is actually owned by Gavita, I guess I should have searched harder. Maybe they will develop an LED grow lamp at some point (or buy one)...
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    question about heat please help might miss a good deal

    Corey from Black Dog LED (Colorado) was interviewed on the Adam Dunn Show, seems like he has some decent knowledge but that does not seem to be reflected in the product IMO. I would be willing to bet he will jump on the COB bandwagon at some point. LED talk starts around 1:25:30
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    question about heat please help might miss a good deal

    Yep Blackdog goes right in the pile with the rest of the generics. When it comes to generic LEDs, assume the worst and you will have a pretty good idea of its value. http://growershouse.com/blog/black-dog-platinum-xl-u-750w-led-grow-light-unboxing-review-par-test/
  19. SupraSPL

    Top bin COB comparison

    Sativied, you seem to know a lot about Gavita so maybe you can answer this. Do you think they will jump with excitement to experiment with a lighting technology capable of game changing efficacy, or will they stubbornly resist it and be one of the last to develop LED based grow lamps?
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    Or are you referring to 72V class?

    Or are you referring to 72V class?
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