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    Debt ceiling talks: Whose fault?

    just what do you think the results of your poll really show. i suppose we could look at it from your limited perspective, that even the conservatives can see how wrong their stance is. we could merely consider that there really are no blind conservatives here or that they have just ignored...
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    Why Do People Debate About Religion?

    we debate it because we shouldn't. all my life i've been told that the two topics one should never bring up in polite society are politics and religion. as can be expected from a malcontent such as myself, i never listened. politics controls our daily lives more than we would like and...
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    The Progressive Income Tax in U.S. History

    do you honestly believe that's what this is about, the war between the ultra-rich and the struggling, impoverished masses? if so, i really feel sorry for you and i can understand your desperation, but this is a battle of an altogether different sort. i couldn't care less about the rich...
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    The Progressive Income Tax in U.S. History

    how dare you speak such blasphemy!!! the proper party line, what is considered undeniably true (until it's inconvenient), is that the people are the government and that it is the power of government that makes a country great. the individual is weak, so the story goes, and prone to the...
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    Amnisty is here, Dream Act-Illegals no longer illegal.

    it's called business as usual for the federal government, but you forgot to mention a few of the criteria. no illegals are to be deported who drive a car, walk, ride the buses or trains, commit crimes, lie, cheat, steal or breathe. in short, only deport someone when there is no other...
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    I Disagree With Ron Paul.

    or is it separating those who adhere to a traditional interpretation of the constitution from the fair weather patriots who are willing to sacrifice the rights of some for the welfare of others? i'm sure it's a bit of both. there are, after all, quite a few of us who believe in the supremacy...
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    talk about confirmation bias, you can't even get this right. the talk of zombies was mine, it appeared nowhere in the video. i realize that this, as one of my few errors, has gotten you all excited, but i'm afraid you might suffer a stroke and we would be deprived of your scintillating...
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    Can Ron Paul Really Be Right About Everything?

    this one statement is at the heart of every argument against dr. paul's positions and is central to the modern liberal agenda that has taken root in both political parties, that the ends justify the means. the basic laws of the land are as changeable as the weather, our rights have become...
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    POLL: Income Tax

    i'm afraid you have a bit more rosy view of the people than i do. one of democracy's great flaws is that the majority may change the most basic rules we live by. they may decide that personal wealth can be confiscated for the greater good, they may choose to demonize any segment of the...
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    i realize that responding to your typical ignorance is futile, but i have little to do today and playing with children is a better diversion than cleaning the house. this is after all the "politics" forum and every chance must be taken to expose the agenda of power-hungry statists and their...
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    hissy fit? purple prose? duped? you do so love to exaggerate the foibles of your opposition. yes, i'm as prone to error as any other human. no, i never claimed to know what is best for everyone. i claim only to know what is best for myself. unlike the cowardly statists, who can't even...
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    nope, didn't notice the little onion logo at the bottom. it just seems so incredibly true to the workings of our government, unlike most of the onion's other offerings, that it's an easy mistake to make. so much like the abortion that is obamacare, it is a bit too plausible that our...
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    does "we have to pass this in order to find out what's in it" ring any bells?
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    Would ya listen to that sh*t!? WTH?

    just replace each "classified" with "zombie(s)" and it all begins to make more sense, at least as much sense as we have come to expect from our government.
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    The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

    i have to wonder which you would prefer, the fantasy world of the rights of the individual upheld or the fantasy world of the individual will subjugated to the desires of the mob and its "representatives"? it's all very well to rail against the extremes of human perversity, but regulating the...
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    Ron Paul: Turtle Fucker?

    having never before heard of this rumor concerning dr. paul's penchant for seeking testudinal affections, it strikes me that this may very well be a classic case of transference. tell me, do you often muse on the amorous possibilities of shelled reptilian flesh? do the galapagos islands have...
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    The Choice I Never Made...

    whether conscious or unconscious, the decision to believe or refuse the god myth and the religions of the world is a choice. doubt, since we lack any direct evidence of any god's existence, would seem only rational, but to claim a deity's existence or lack thereof goes beyond mere doubt...
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    Finding More Effective Ways For Atheists And Believers To Communicate

    i've answered these and similar questions so many times i've almost memorized my responses, but i'll be glad to go over it all once again. before i do, i'd like to clear up a sticking point we constantly seem to run up against. time after time you confuse religion with the god myth, preferring...
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    Atheism Anyone?

    do we really need another example of ignorant atheism? consider that only 12% of americans consider themselves as atheists or agnostics. do you really feel yourself so superior to nearly nine out of every ten people in the nation? in the rest of the world that number is much lower, in some...
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    Atheism Anyone?

    it's nice to see that at least one other atheist here is unwilling to buy into these cliched attempts to belittle faith, though i do object to your blanket use of ignorance as an excuse. i understand perfectly, having used the same rationale myself, the reason for such an attack, but ignorance...
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