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spineshank

spineshank

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thats kind of how i was lookin at the whole situation but i dont know and dont care to admit it. i would just really like someone to explain how that works in english or post a link to a thread where its been clearly explained and not a bunch of noobs arguing with ppl who know. i mean no offense to anyone with this statement.
 
Tongbokes

Tongbokes

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Spineshank u must be in the heating and Air conditons business ?? With all that access to foil tape ? Good for duct work and cold storage .
 
Wolfman Zen

Wolfman Zen

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bigd921 said:
itsgrowinglikeaweed said:
so humor me... you have a device that takes 5 1.2 volt batteries evern though each only puts out 1.2v and you clam they dont add, then why cant I power the device with just one battery? because it takes 6 volts to run the device and 5X1.2=6?? doesnt that make sense, if the volts didnt add or the addition of more made kno difference then you could run it on one battery...and if you take 5 800 lumen bulbs granted each bulb only puts out 800 lumen if you combine the 8 bulbs to an area isnt the area receiving 800 lumens from each bulb thus 4k lumens in the given space??:confused:
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This has been discussed to death... but it keeps being one of those things that noobs trip on all the time...

Even though I believe when some one with more experience tells you something that seems unreal... you should give them the benefit of the doubt, and before trying to argue the point... you should do some research first.

With that said... I will try to clarify some things....

First, if you are going to use the voltage analogy, you need to think of the voltage in parallel not in series... if you have 2 9 volt batteries, and wire them up in series, the voltage will add up, but the current stays the same.. you just end up with more voltage for the same current... on the flip-side, if you wire them up in parallel, the voltage stays the same, but the current adds up..

Ok now for the lights.....

Say you have a very bright MH bulb on you that says it's 10,000 lum.s
you also have some industrial bulb that is super bright at 100,000 lum.s

you may think that if you get 10 of the MH bulbs together they would equal the super bright bulb... but if you were to plug them all up and put them in a circle, then plug the super bright bulb next to the others and point them all up in the air... jump on a plain in the middle of the night and look down.

You will see a large circle of light next to a brighter dot of light.... yes the MH bulbs will give you more light... but they are all the same brightness... You take your plane ride higher and eventually you won't be able to see the circle of MH bulbs any more, but you will still see the super bright dot.

Thats how plants see light....

You get a bunch of bulbs with a low lum.s rating and your plants see alot of light of the same brightness. If you only had 1 bulb with a high lum.s rating , then you're plants won't see allot of light, but the light thy do see will be brighter... Plants need more strength of brightness, then they need amount of light.

Well thats the best I can explain it... if anybody else has questions..... just do some research and come back to us with facts... before you dismiss it.

peace
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bigd921

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Wolfman Zen said:
bigd921 said:
This has been discussed to death... but it keeps being one of those things that noobs trip on all the time...

Even though I believe when some one with more experience tells you something that seems unreal... you should give them the benefit of the doubt, and before trying to argue the point... you should do some research first.

With that said... I will try to clarify some things....

First, if you are going to use the voltage analogy, you need to think of the voltage in parallel not in series... if you have 2 9 volt batteries, and wire them up in series, the voltage will add up, but the current stays the same.. you just end up with more voltage for the same current... on the flip-side, if you wire them up in parallel, the voltage stays the same, but the current adds up..

Ok now for the lights.....

Say you have a very bright MH bulb on you that says it's 10,000 lum.s
you also have some industrial bulb that is super bright at 100,000 lum.s

you may think that if you get 10 of the MH bulbs together they would equal the super bright bulb... but if you were to plug them all up and put them in a circle, then plug the super bright bulb next to the others and point them all up in the air... jump on a plain in the middle of the night and look down.

You will see a large circle of light next to a brighter dot of light.... yes the MH bulbs will give you more light... but they are all the same brightness... You take your plane ride higher and eventually you won't be able to see the circle of MH bulbs any more, but you will still see the super bright dot.

Thats how plants see light....

You get a bunch of bulbs with a low lum.s rating and your plants see alot of light of the same brightness. If you only had 1 bulb with a high lum.s rating , then you're plants won't see allot of light, but the light thy do see will be brighter... Plants need more strength of brightness, then they need amount of light.

Well thats the best I can explain it... if anybody else has questions..... just do some research and come back to us with facts... before you dismiss it.

peace
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I am sorry perhaps my advanced degree in logic is blinding me, but what fact did you just state in this long hypothetical post?? Unless you are about to tell us you have flown up and looked down at these lights you gave a hypothetical situation just as I did one deserves no more merit than the other... and if you read my original post, I provide a link to a post that was done by an alleged scientist, I dont think we can get anymore factual than that at least not on the net... so perhaps you need to take some time a reasearch my friend and at least provide a link to support your light in the sky theory....:joint:
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itsgrowinglikeaweed

itsgrowinglikeaweed

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bigd921 said:
itsgrowinglikeaweed said:
so humor me... you have a device that takes 5 1.2 volt batteries evern though each only puts out 1.2v and you clam they dont add, then why cant I power the device with just one battery? because it takes 6 volts to run the device and 5X1.2=6?? doesnt that make sense, if the volts didnt add or the addition of more made kno difference then you could run it on one battery...and if you take 5 800 lumen bulbs granted each bulb only puts out 800 lumen if you combine the 8 bulbs to an area isnt the area receiving 800 lumens from each bulb thus 4k lumens in the given space??:confused:
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Lumens don't add just look into it you will see niether do battery volts so its a good comparison. Do some reading. I'm not a fast typer I'm sorry i can't explain it to you. Its not even important. The bottom line is more light is better.
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Wolfman Zen

Wolfman Zen

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"more light is better" yes, i'm sure we can at least all agree to that lol =]

Any way...
Looking at your pix, I say that the lights are not the problem here..... though you should change them over to "daylight" cfl's if you plan to keep it vegging.... or keep the "softwhites" and go to flower.... but I think we should fix the problem befor making her flower.

Can you tell us more about the liquid miracle grow you have been using... how much and how ofter?... this could be nute burn... or a deficiency...
 
itsgrowinglikeaweed

itsgrowinglikeaweed

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This is from page 2 of my journal. Written by Homegrownboy, a very experienced grower.
Ok, from the 20+ years i have been growing...it has ALWAYS been known, in order to get alot of lumens...you need to buy a bulb that produces alot to begin with. Adding lights together does NOT increase your lumens, only your lux...there is a post on here somewhere that a guy PROVED that you can't...he had a light meter and he put 2 1600 lumen bulbs together everywhich way he could..and guess what...it stayed at 1600 lumens.

Fact is fact...i NEVER post anything that isn't already a known fact...but i guess there'as always people that have to debate you.

(((((((((((((((CFLs are still fluorescents, despite being physically smaller than the traditional long tubes. Fluoros make low intensity light; the intensity drops dramatically only a few inches away from the lamp tube. This is generally OK for slow-veg of small plants. However, good bud development requires the high-intensity light you only get from HID lighting.

CFLs as such are not revolutionary nor in any way 'the next big thing.' They DO have some good applications with clones and early vegging, though. Even the big 100-300W CFLs as used in Envirolites and other fixtures, while brighter (more intense) than their small grocery-store cousins, still produce low-intensity light. These big CFLs will do better with flowering than the small ones but simply can't produce the same results as even a small HPS. A 150W HPS will kick the pants off a 150W CFL in flowering due to the difference in luminous intensity.

One point that even long-experienced growers miss is that lumens don't 'add.' Lumens are a measure of light intensity, which the human eye interprets as brightness. If you have a 1500 lumen CFL and you put another 1500 lumen CFL beside it, the total luminous output in the effective coverage area near your two CFLs is- wait for it- 1500 lumens. Just because you put one CFL next to another does not make either lamp any brighter or more intense.


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For the above image, I set up two 20W CFLs in two fixtures, let them warm up for about 5 mins and measured the luminous output around them at a distance of 50mm. The lux meter read around 63-65K lux from the sides of either CFL by itself. When the lux meter sensor is placed so that it is as close as practicable to within 50mm of both tubes, the meter still reads 63-65K lux.

Luminous intensity from multiple sources acts like voltages in parallel. If you put two 1.5V batteries in parallel, you get 1.5V. Same with luminous intensity. As said previously, if you put two 1500 lumen lamps next to one another, you have... 1500 lumens. Neither lamp gets any brighter just because they are next to one another. Luminous intensity is not a measure of the volume or number of photons being thrown at a given point but rather the energy pushing them, analogous to voltage in an electrical circuit.

Consequently, you can put all the 1500 lumen CFLs you want in a grow but the luminous intensity will remain at 1500 lumens. If you need more intensity, you need a more intense (brighter) light, not more low-intensity lights.))))))))))))))
 
itsgrowinglikeaweed

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I agree with Wolfman, I'd want to get her a little healthier before flowering, but no big deal. Your 1st grow is supposed to be a learning process. I recommend you get a Ph meter. I just ordered this one on someones recommendation > Digital pH TESTER PEN Test pH levels Pools, Spa pH600 - eBay (item 180262382000 end time Jul-17-08 18:00:00 PDT)
Chemical nutrients like miracle grow can slowly turn your soil too acidic over time if they're not being taken up by the plant.
And ya know what I just noticed...That pot looks a little shallow???? And I see its only about half full of dirt. You might benefit tremendously from a transplant.
Whatever the problem is, its not beyond repair. She could still bounce back and give you some goods buds. Maybe post a pic in the plant problems forum. Might get some more opinions that way too... Good luck!
 
spineshank

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ok my liquid miracle grow is for indoor plants its 8-7-6 i have a feeling its not strong enough after the reading i did last night. im using minimum amount (10-20 drops per quart) so that i wouldnt burn it. im watering on saturday morning with distilled water at room temp. this is about the amount of time it takes for the top 1 1/2 to 2 inches to dry out. the worst looking nute burn on the plant is from where i foliar fed it one time.
 
Wolfman Zen

Wolfman Zen

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If I were you I would flush it, and see how it reacts to the flushing... if it gets better, then next time you water, feed it at a 1/4 strength, and gradually increase from there.

If it gets worse, then feed with 1/2 strength and gradually increase from there.
 
spineshank

spineshank

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its not getting anymore liquid MG i transplanted it to a bigger pot added fresh soil changed my 5x 23w CFL's to 5x 100 w CFL's and lined my box with mylar and put it on 12/12 two days ago. its showing good growth compared to when i took the pics in the old pot with weak cfl's. its almost 12" now. thanks for all the help everyone.
 
spineshank

spineshank

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since im gonna flower it when should i start adding bloom booster and what easily available and affordable BB do you peeps suggest.
 
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