smokeandfly
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thanks for the appolagy holmes dont realy like being told that im talking shit when i take my time to calculate stuff but all good now. sofaking pretty sure u could get ur area u wanted with the 2 lights on the sides.
1000 Watt & Light Mover?
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LegalizeCannabisHemp
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first off i have never used a light mover.. obviously I have some interest in it or else I wouldnt be reading this thread ...now correct me if im wrong, and no offence..
lets say you have a 8 foot light mover..we will call the far left side of the mover side one,
the middle 2,
and the far right 3.
so if the light starts off at 1, then passes on to two, then onto side three, the first by pass all the plants receive the same amount of light right..?
now once it starts coming back from side 3, its going to stop on side 2(middle)( this will be the second time it touching on that area, as it continues its path, it will return back to side one( giving side 1 light for the second time), thus moving on back to side 2( side 2 has received light 3 times where as side 1 has received it twice, and side three has only received light once so far...
here is a better way to give an example.. most time when you smoke in a group of three people, everyone sit around a circle, takes a puff, and passes it..everyone gets one hit each(or 3 how many ever is custom where you live) .. now lets say the three people instead of sitting in a circle sat down on the couch to watch tv.. guy 1 hits the joint, passes it to the middle man, who hits it, then the guy on the end of the couch hits it, now for the rotation to stay proper, the guy on one end of the couch would have to pass it to the guy on the other end of the couch.. if you had it back to the middle man.. he is getting double tokes...
same theory with a light mover....
I guess what would be a great design for a light mover would be one that slows down a bit on the ends, and speeds up through the center...so maybe the guys with the sales pitches arnt totally full of bullshit panhead..just like 5/8ths full of bullshit.. hahaha
hope that helps
and please correct me if im wrong..
LegalizeCannabisHemp
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bump, bump, thats the sound of the speakers.. would anyone agree?
Dirtfree
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Newer light movers stop on each end so they recieve the same amount of light.
So using your number system
starting at 1-sits there for a pre-set time
passes over2
goes to position 3-sits there for pre set time.
That way all the plants recieve the same amount of light. Make sense?
I have a 600w over a 4x6 flood table. The buds are the same over the entire table. I havent finished with my first harvest but definitly think it was worth the money!
So using your number system
starting at 1-sits there for a pre-set time
passes over2
goes to position 3-sits there for pre set time.
That way all the plants recieve the same amount of light. Make sense?
I have a 600w over a 4x6 flood table. The buds are the same over the entire table. I havent finished with my first harvest but definitly think it was worth the money!
Dirtfree
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Oh one more question foe you guys without movers, how far are your lights from your tops?? Lets say you have a 1000w two feet away- so now your 100,000 lumens is now what like 1/10 of what it was.
My light is 3" away from my plants, that means my inital 90,000 lumens from 600w are ALL going to my plants!
They say you get what you pay for. Not you guys with your lights a foot or two from your plants. Just food for thought....
My light is 3" away from my plants, that means my inital 90,000 lumens from 600w are ALL going to my plants!
They say you get what you pay for. Not you guys with your lights a foot or two from your plants. Just food for thought....
Mcgician
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Just because you're running your lights close to the tops doesn't mean they're getting more light. What they're getting is momentary intensity. If you were to back the distance off a little bit, more light would spread off to the sides, (areas that wouldn't be getting much light at all) and in the end, it'd probably just result in a wash. The benefits of using light movers are these:
1. You CAN control intensity and overall coverage to your liking given each growers needs.
2. If you have more than one light, the fact that they move side to side can make for easier accessability in the grow room.
3. They make managing heat stress slightly easier because they don't camp out over one particular set of plants and fry the crap out of them as much as a stationary one would.
The drawbacks:
1. Obviously, cost. Even though they're not that costly, they can sometimes stretch some people's pocketbooks.
2. It's one more thing you have to plug into a socket, run on a timer, draw more amperage, and pay more electricity for.
3. Running air cooled hoods (especially more than one) with a light mover is far more a pain in the ass.
Not sure where this one fits, but cola size may shrink, but overall harvest weight is increased slightly.
In the end, any grow room setup is a game of compromises. This is just one of those.
I have a light mover with 1000 HPS and it seems to me that buds get fluffer if you let it move much more then about 3 feet. Iam hoping to set up a 600watt on one end and have the 1000 watt on the other so when one light is on one end of the track the other light will be in the middle and Ill have them move no more then three feet. I hope this will give me about six feet of good coverage with no loss of bud density. Ill put my tall girls (white widow haze) on the end with the 1000 watt and the short girls (mazars) under the 600. What do you think?
From my limited experience and heavy research, it all comes down to wattage per square foot. 1000 watts is probably too much for a 4x4 tray, but too little for a 4x8 tray. For a 4x8 tray, 2000 (2x1000) watts is overkill, but 1200 (2x600) watts seem to work well with 1800 (3x600) not worth the extra electricity cost.
My setup is a 1000 watt over a 4x6 tray, The light only moves back and forth over a 30-34 inch section of the rail. This allows me to maintain light intensity in the middle of the tray, which has my strongest plants, while also giving some light to the edges, which contain my weaker plants. If you can stack your trays all in-line, then you have very good overlapping coverage.
My setup is a 1000 watt over a 4x6 tray, The light only moves back and forth over a 30-34 inch section of the rail. This allows me to maintain light intensity in the middle of the tray, which has my strongest plants, while also giving some light to the edges, which contain my weaker plants. If you can stack your trays all in-line, then you have very good overlapping coverage.
wonderblunder
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I have a 1000w and a 6' mover. How far should it be from the tops? THe hood is not air cooled at this time. I have an AC and right now stationary, the light is about 2 feet from the canopy with no problem. Im ready to get this moving
How far should the light be from the canopy?
I only have 6 plants under it but they are bushes, and about to need the mover to get any bushier. THaks for your help. Check out the grow in my sig if you have any advice
How far should the light be from the canopy?
I only have 6 plants under it but they are bushes, and about to need the mover to get any bushier. THaks for your help. Check out the grow in my sig if you have any advice
reeferMaster
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when u learn 2 use the rail it will work for u it moves really slow it takes 20 mins for it 2 go from one side 2 the other, most applications will need 2 lights on one mover or 2 side by side, the thing is depending on your growing style is the light is moveing away from your plants , unlike stationary where u get full sun lite at all times, the rail creates uformity growth thats even, as they get get bigger they will most likly need full sunlight, i was thinking a recycling timer of one min on 5 min off would work perfect for rails maybe 3 on 4 off? i would imagine u can get better heat periods and longer light intensity periods with these timmers from my experience i think the light moves preety fast , a umbrela hood would create the best light spread, also just a thought those adjusta wings reflectors can hold another soket for 2 400s or 2 600s for a 1200 watt fixuture thats like 180,000 lumins
wonderblunder
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mine takes about 11 minutes to go from one side to the other, About 21 minutes or so from one side to the other and back
reeferMaster
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either way our sun doesent go back and forth al day repeatedly if u have a hot room and air cooled they work quite well hook the exsaust 2 you lite and then hook carbon scrubber 2 other side, that way ur exuast is always take ing air from different parts of the room and cooling the light and smell proofng the air all in one. good luck, fyi ive been growing indoor al summer with a little tent , it goes filter , fan,duct, light,duct then out of the room the filter makes the lens stay clean and i can cool my room at the same time while smell proofing it. good luck!!
newworldicon
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I recently started looking into light movers for a 8"x4" scrog of sorts hence why i'm looking at this thread. I have seen movers that offer a time lapse feature at the at either end of it's cycle, so yeah i think you were the first to point this out. I'll try to find the link but forgive me if I dont, I'm nicely baked right now. This time laspe is adjustable too.
I am thinking about getting a light mover as well, and am in a similar situation:
I have a 4x8 foot room and two thousand watts, which I have put through one cycle stationary and they did fine considering it was a rookie grow. I want to get the light mover with the extra light attachment, has anybody used two lights on their light rail, and was it worth it compared to two stationary thousand watts? also, i have air cooled lights, how did you modify your air system to deal with moving lights?
I have a 4x8 foot room and two thousand watts, which I have put through one cycle stationary and they did fine considering it was a rookie grow. I want to get the light mover with the extra light attachment, has anybody used two lights on their light rail, and was it worth it compared to two stationary thousand watts? also, i have air cooled lights, how did you modify your air system to deal with moving lights?
newworldicon
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I'd like to see those questions answered too, it would help people out a lot!
groovedaddy
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Just from my own personal experience: grew 6 matanuska Thunderfuck in dwc with stationary 1000 watt had good results in 3x3 area. Then doubled plants and added light mover, got same results except better lower buds due to light mover hitting those lower branches on each pass. Remember you can set the light just a few inches away with a mover. You have to get a rail with adjustable delay at ends or you will get tall growth in middle. The amperage for the rail is hella less than the amperage for another 1000 watt light with comparable results. no brainer for me!
newworldicon
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Thank you for your input Groovedaddy but I am confused as to why you would want to use a mover in a 3x3 area with a thousand watt bulb. Is the 3x3 a typo?
groovedaddy
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3x3 first grow was stationary, added the light rail, then went to 3x6 and another dwc on second grow and achieved same results. hope that makes more sense.
newworldicon
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Yes it does thanks, so you are saying you doubled your yield with the mover?
If your using movers and want to cover large areas, your better to run 2 diff light movers and add another 1000w light to efficiently cover the area without leaving unlit areas. Personally, from what i have seen, light movers are not an effective means, more lights and sun circle light spinners are a better method, removes the need to rotate your pots ( depending the system ) as it rotates your lamps eliminating hot spots and lower branches/areas not recieving enough light increasing your yeilds, however, it depends on your commitment and budget to what you should and can do.