I love leds, im running 8 stealthgrow 602s as we speak and its perfect for what im doin, but deff not considering going with leds on the big setup. Thanx for the thoughts thou. and jett im glad that someone can see im looking in all outlets, isnt that what the forums are, regardless of the size of the grow?
10000 square foot Grow!
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You get the email - burglar or smoke. Immediately look at the cameras via you laptop black berry etc. You or the closest party is rushing to get to the grow to fix any problems.
I would consider smoke detectors, you could set it up so it kills power to the lights and other things and sends an email to all involved parties.
Same thing with a burglar alarm you would want to set it up so it was very unlikely to false, simple door and window contacts. You could set up the Burglar alarm to kill the lights too. This would send an email to you and your key associates. What to do if your getting robbed. Now you can't call police. You could put some sprinklers in there and remotely turn them on to cause them to get very wet. At any rate you must do something. You may need to be creative.
For a big grow internet and a UPS to keep your remote monitoring powered is a must.
A couple IR digital cameras H.264 and DVR to keep people honest.
http://www.onssi.com/ This is good software for your DVR. The reson is it supports alot of different cameras so your not locked into one brand.
http://www.onssi.com/supporteddevices
Keep the DVR off site, could be used as evidence against you. Only a few cams not to bog down internet.
You can have cameras that can operate in total darkness like Arecont Vision AV3135
You can use IR flood lights to light the room in total darkness. These can also act as a burglar alarm and send an email if there is movement in a particular spot.
You can easily remote monitor your grow.
Guiest makes an inexpensive device that can do this
You can monitor temperature, air flow, humidity. It can send an email if any of these things get out of wack.
http://www.geistmfg.com/Geistmfg_Files/_Items/GST-MR-TAB1-33/Docs/Environmental.pdf
My thoughts on all this is to keep police and fire away from your grow.
which brings me to fire sprinklers. If you took out the risk of getting busted, growing was 100% legal this would be a must. You do not want things to get so bad that one of these goes off. The risk is water running out the door will attract attention the wrong kind. However you are in a pinch if a fire sprinkler goes off the fire dept is likely already on the way. This could be ok if it could not attract attention if it went off.
This can be remotely monitored via a flow switch that indicates a fire sprinkler activation, this would also be tied in to kill power.
This stuff all on a good UPS with good internet hookup.
You could do a wireless point to point link so there is no internet bill at that address.
Ubiquiti Network http://www.ubnt.com/
Smoke with power kill
Burglar alarm
A couple good IR cams and offsite DVR
Remote monitor temp, air flow and humidity.
You probably already know this but I would get one of those good automatic bud trimmers the fewer people involved the better.
All my thoughts are about security.
If you were a bank and someone robbed you every cop in town would jump on it. There would be no risk to you.
Here in OG land some co opts have been robbed, some times employees are injured even shot by the robbers. They are victims of crime. But it seems that if the police are brought in often the place is shut down and the police fuck the co-opt over. Your running a business that has a very valuable commodity and it is well known the police will not protect. All security falls on you. If you fuck up you could loose everything.
I would consider Oaksterdam U or something like it.
Have a relationship with an attorney that is an expert in medical marijuana law.
I would consider smoke detectors, you could set it up so it kills power to the lights and other things and sends an email to all involved parties.
Same thing with a burglar alarm you would want to set it up so it was very unlikely to false, simple door and window contacts. You could set up the Burglar alarm to kill the lights too. This would send an email to you and your key associates. What to do if your getting robbed. Now you can't call police. You could put some sprinklers in there and remotely turn them on to cause them to get very wet. At any rate you must do something. You may need to be creative.
For a big grow internet and a UPS to keep your remote monitoring powered is a must.
A couple IR digital cameras H.264 and DVR to keep people honest.
http://www.onssi.com/ This is good software for your DVR. The reson is it supports alot of different cameras so your not locked into one brand.
http://www.onssi.com/supporteddevices
Keep the DVR off site, could be used as evidence against you. Only a few cams not to bog down internet.
You can have cameras that can operate in total darkness like Arecont Vision AV3135
You can use IR flood lights to light the room in total darkness. These can also act as a burglar alarm and send an email if there is movement in a particular spot.
You can easily remote monitor your grow.
Guiest makes an inexpensive device that can do this
You can monitor temperature, air flow, humidity. It can send an email if any of these things get out of wack.
http://www.geistmfg.com/Geistmfg_Files/_Items/GST-MR-TAB1-33/Docs/Environmental.pdf
My thoughts on all this is to keep police and fire away from your grow.
which brings me to fire sprinklers. If you took out the risk of getting busted, growing was 100% legal this would be a must. You do not want things to get so bad that one of these goes off. The risk is water running out the door will attract attention the wrong kind. However you are in a pinch if a fire sprinkler goes off the fire dept is likely already on the way. This could be ok if it could not attract attention if it went off.
This can be remotely monitored via a flow switch that indicates a fire sprinkler activation, this would also be tied in to kill power.
This stuff all on a good UPS with good internet hookup.
You could do a wireless point to point link so there is no internet bill at that address.
Ubiquiti Network http://www.ubnt.com/
Smoke with power kill
Burglar alarm
A couple good IR cams and offsite DVR
Remote monitor temp, air flow and humidity.
You probably already know this but I would get one of those good automatic bud trimmers the fewer people involved the better.
All my thoughts are about security.
If you were a bank and someone robbed you every cop in town would jump on it. There would be no risk to you.
Here in OG land some co opts have been robbed, some times employees are injured even shot by the robbers. They are victims of crime. But it seems that if the police are brought in often the place is shut down and the police fuck the co-opt over. Your running a business that has a very valuable commodity and it is well known the police will not protect. All security falls on you. If you fuck up you could loose everything.
I would consider Oaksterdam U or something like it.
Have a relationship with an attorney that is an expert in medical marijuana law.
This is the kind of info that is known but allows other parties to look further into these matters and i thank you for theexcellent post
This is the kind of info that is known but allows other parties to look further into these matters and i thank you for theexcellent post
would love to hear some more input from you guyes.
im experience with hydroponic systems but not soil, im thinking to do 5 gal pots with soil, 5 plants per 1000 watt, and come up with some sort of automated feeding system.
if anyone thinks they have a decent idea for a custom feeding system i would love to hear about it.
i know this post and maybe this thread sounds like im unexperienced but its not lack of experience, its different variables and on a much bigger scale then my experience has to offer, this is the reason im asking for more commercial advice.
i wanna thank you guyes for your info, keep it coming
im experience with hydroponic systems but not soil, im thinking to do 5 gal pots with soil, 5 plants per 1000 watt, and come up with some sort of automated feeding system.
if anyone thinks they have a decent idea for a custom feeding system i would love to hear about it.
i know this post and maybe this thread sounds like im unexperienced but its not lack of experience, its different variables and on a much bigger scale then my experience has to offer, this is the reason im asking for more commercial advice.
i wanna thank you guyes for your info, keep it coming
kentrugrolights
Member
with my time with big grows dont worry about alarms are girl frineds are going to the bars you will have to live where you grow to do all the spraying picking up all the dead leaves cloning putting in to bigger pots plus keeping ann eye on all the help you will have to have and you will have to live next to a river to run the power from the dam or you puy up some big wind mills big grows are big work have a good day
Farfenugen
Well-Known Member
mentioning Colorado wasn't a good idea, who knows who's lurking on these sites
sandiego
Active Member
This is a monster operation. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot of experience with anything close to this. You need someone who really knows what they are doing to lead this project. It can't be a learn by mistake type deal if you have investors involved. I would recommend starting out at about 1/10 the size that you have available, so 1000 sq/ft, and work your way from there. Even 1000 sq/ft is a lot for one person to deal with, especially with little experience. You're going to need a room for vegging/cloning/mothers (all under T5 24h/day lighting), and a flower room. Beyond that you don't need any other rooms. So depending on how big each room is, you could do like 2 veg rooms, 3 flower rooms...etc... You don't need to be trying to create your own strands here, that is for the hobbyists. No males involved in this operation. You do however need to befriend a hobbyist with a good strand to start, or order some seeds off the internet. Coco/soil on a drip system. You're going to need monster drums for res's if you don't want to be filling the water every day. Like 500gal for a 1000sq/ft operation. I've seen one large operation in my life in person, it was probably 200 1k lights over 100 4x8 trays for flower room, and the res's must have been like 5000 gallons each. One for flower room, one for veg room. You needed a ladder to get up to the top to fill with nutrients (nutrients were 50 gallon drums of each type). Climate control will be a major issue. What about bugs, do you know how to deal with spider mites? Root aphids? White flies? Thrips? To set these types of grows up costs a ton of money....ventilation, lighting, nutrients, CO2, air scrubbers, irrigation, plant media, electrical equipment, the list goes on of course. Anyway, my best advice. Start smaller and work your way up. Don't go too big to quick or it will all collapse and the fingers will point at you. Or get someone who knows what they are doing on the job and you can be their apprentice. But you're going to need a team anyway to take care of this big of an operation. Best of luck.
Great advice, its not that i dont know what needs to be done wth a grow, its the fact its such on a large scale hence the reason of getting experienced info on a larger scale.
100 sq/ft or 10000 sq/ft the same steps need to be taken just adjusted accordingly. Your absolutly rite about working up to the larger scale.
And we plan on bringing someone with large grow experi3nce in but its not like you can just post an add on craigslist lol, we are talkung to our ppl in LA to see if we csn find a person to consult when the time is rite. This is early stages of this potential business venture
Thanx again for the advice
Not to concernd with whos lurking being that its a fully legal and licensed operation as far as the state is concernd, we all know the feds ca come in at anytime, correct. Ok now that thats out there WHO CARES the politics of marijauna legalization is screwed up we know, if the state is cashing my tax check then im willing to cash my checks. Its as simple as that, and when theres as much money invoved as there is then i have ppl that will fall on the shar sword , do that shit with a smile on the face. Quote that
stephaniesloan
Active Member
your talking rubbish, ok lets look at the power situation, you have 230 lights 1000w running at a constant 230,000 watts for 18 hours, do you live next door to the nuclear power station.
if it is a 120 volt system you will need a constant supply of 1916.6 amps of electric power.
if it is a 240 volt system you will need a constant supply of 958.3 amps of electric power.
the word fry comes to mind!!!
even with 3 phase power at 150% more efficient than single phase i think you better think hard,
imagine the power surge at switch on, the city grid would dim.
and that is for lighting only.
240v house systems offer 80 amps.
here is a calculator, check it yourself.
http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/Volts-Watts-Amps-Converter
if it is a 120 volt system you will need a constant supply of 1916.6 amps of electric power.
if it is a 240 volt system you will need a constant supply of 958.3 amps of electric power.
the word fry comes to mind!!!
even with 3 phase power at 150% more efficient than single phase i think you better think hard,
imagine the power surge at switch on, the city grid would dim.
and that is for lighting only.
240v house systems offer 80 amps.
here is a calculator, check it yourself.
http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/Volts-Watts-Amps-Converter
immagrower
Member
If you have all that room, and all those lights... and you're asking how to maximize yield on a website... I'm calling your bullshit.
... nice try though karma whore.
... nice try though karma whore.
Keep it simple.
Room 1- Vegging mothers and clones
Rooms 2-5 Flowering. Use flipboxes or the like if you desire and only run lights on in 2 of these at a time.
Room 6 Drying/Manicuring/Curing room
You will need a/c for each room and to lighten the load, use ducted reflectors. If you're purchasing new, I'd recommend the new melonhead as it has the efficient cool tube design with a quality reflector for cheap.
For your grow method. I would recommend doing flood and drain tables as they have a very proven track record which your investors would approve of. Just run rows of tables with walkways in between. Keep the fewest number of strains that you can get away with without running into product stockpile and keep meticulous records. Go ahead and make some binders for each strain and keep that in that room. Have like 4 or 5 tables dedicated to one strain and harvest a tray every two weeks or w/e works for you. Keep a perpetual harvest going so as not to burden the mothers too heavily. If you can manage to be meticulous and do binders and such, you could hire some monkeys to do your reservoir changes, foliar sprays and such and your job will be to do daily walkthroughs as the expert keeping an eye out for potential problems and solving them prematurely.
Also, a grow of this scale can NOT have reactionary pest and disease control. You MUST have a schedule to maintain your crops. Regular neem sprayings or planned biological control..... This must be planned. I'm also a CO grower and and would be happy to assist you where I can should you have the need. I am in no way a commercial grower but I have given thought to doing something like this. Just no source of capital that large nor the experience of anything larger than 100 sq ft.
Room 1- Vegging mothers and clones
Rooms 2-5 Flowering. Use flipboxes or the like if you desire and only run lights on in 2 of these at a time.
Room 6 Drying/Manicuring/Curing room
You will need a/c for each room and to lighten the load, use ducted reflectors. If you're purchasing new, I'd recommend the new melonhead as it has the efficient cool tube design with a quality reflector for cheap.
For your grow method. I would recommend doing flood and drain tables as they have a very proven track record which your investors would approve of. Just run rows of tables with walkways in between. Keep the fewest number of strains that you can get away with without running into product stockpile and keep meticulous records. Go ahead and make some binders for each strain and keep that in that room. Have like 4 or 5 tables dedicated to one strain and harvest a tray every two weeks or w/e works for you. Keep a perpetual harvest going so as not to burden the mothers too heavily. If you can manage to be meticulous and do binders and such, you could hire some monkeys to do your reservoir changes, foliar sprays and such and your job will be to do daily walkthroughs as the expert keeping an eye out for potential problems and solving them prematurely.
Also, a grow of this scale can NOT have reactionary pest and disease control. You MUST have a schedule to maintain your crops. Regular neem sprayings or planned biological control..... This must be planned. I'm also a CO grower and and would be happy to assist you where I can should you have the need. I am in no way a commercial grower but I have given thought to doing something like this. Just no source of capital that large nor the experience of anything larger than 100 sq ft.
penguinking
Well-Known Member
jonny cochran is dead homie......
Contact www.nowirenuts.ca, these guys are electrical gurus, they can design and build you lighting controllers to handle the 230 lights. Their work is CEC and NEC compliant and they use the best components/parts like Siemens, Honeywell, Ranco, Omron, etc.
hydrochetta
Active Member
Haha hey man you need any extra hands? I'm trying to find my way into the industry and if you need help, let me know! I will do all your grunt work! 
Careful with glass marbles, they can amplify the light, heat the roots and cause root rot. Are they clear glass or colored? For an operation of this size, Soil is probably easiest however you eventually have to dump all that dirt somewhere and that may be a challenge. Medium really depends on how many people you have to tend to the garden. Whats youre ratio of helpers to plants? If you have tons of help, aeroponics is amazing. You wont need too much water but you need to keep an eye on the systems to ensure they dont clog. A drip system is common in large scale operations but its not as precise because some plants tend to get a little more water and feed than others but its super easy and doesnt take many people to tend to it. Farmers are actually using drip systems to grow their large scale veggie gardens. If you really want to heighten how much you can produce, column systems should allow you to get more out of the space but the strain has to be relatively small, no giants lol.
chrishydro
Well-Known Member
That is giant and bound to paint a target on your head. I would for sure not advertise or brag once it is going. But man it sounds like my dream retirement job. I am jealous.
chrishydro
Well-Known Member
I would stay away from soil just because of pests. That facility has to be sterile you might even find some sort of clean entry and suits for people to wear. Like the suits are sprayed down the people put them on and have to walk throuh a wind tunnel of sorts to avoid pest being brought in. Like we see in the nuke movies. Last thing you need is a pest breakout with all that vegitation. Would be a disaster, preperation for a breakout and how to isolate the issue should without a doubt be in your operation plan.
It is going to happen just a question of time being prepared for the outbreak is key.
It is going to happen just a question of time being prepared for the outbreak is key.