1000w Coco Multi-strain Medicinal Grow

t0rn said:

Shitty thing is, I sold my iPhone a few months back for some money and I don't have a good camera around here.

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Be really careful about using a phone to post pictures to the net. Phone pictures contain a great deal of XiF data, including GPS information that marks the exact location the picture was taken at. You can still use those pictures but you need to make sure you get a program that can strip out this data. The best method I know of is using a "capture" style PrntScrn and posting the electronic snap shot of your picture. That image will usually contain little to no data that someone could use to track you down.

Hey man, thanks for that advice, I never knew that. I'm keeping my shit within the legal limits as I'm a card holder in Cali, wouldn't have it any other way. I do have a program like that called "Snag-It" where I can take crops of my screen as a photo, I'll be using that from now on.

I take the pics at the wrong angle and they're about 1k Kb per pic. I also have to edit them and re-save them every time (using the comp) and then rollitup drops it down to about 100Kb. I wonder how much of that gps data is saved through those processes. I could understand it being easy to track if someone sent the data and updated their rollitup directly from their phone. I'll look into this further..

Latitude and longitude can comprise just a few bytes. Figure degrees minutes and seconds, maybe 20 bytes of actual info.

100KB is going to have more than 500 times the amount of space needed for the extra stuff. 20 bytes is like a bucket of water from the ocean.

I've used Snag-it before. That's a great program for what I'm talking about.

My digital camera saves some data, but doesn't have GPS, many new digital cameras will though so beware that if you get a new one. You always want to check the fingerprints you might be leaving on the net. In reality what we are doing is a federal crime. You wouldn't take pictures of a house you burglarized and post them online without making sure it couldn't be traced back, right???

It is always the simple stuff that gets people caught up. Might not be anything to worry about, but always better to be safe than sorry.

You're completely right man, I'll just use Snag-it on all of my photos from now on. Thanks again for bringing that to my attention.

thanks for bringing that to ALL our attention hehe

420Marine said:

thanks for bringing that to ALL our attention hehe

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um yeah - fuck me! SNOWCRASH - nothing like crashing our photo party! j/k... seriously - thanks for the heads up --- iphone 4 takes great photos.... but I certainly don't want to leave GPS footprints everywhere!
Peace.

Ok, McPhoto time. Took these last night before lights out. Foliar fed the older ladies for the last time since buds are starting to form. Used 5mL Bloom per liter as suggested on the back of the bottle. Giesel got shit canned and replaced with 1 The Hog and 1 Green Crack

Room photo (hps on):


Panchota:


Poison:


The Hog:


Romulan:


Kryptonite:


The Hog A & B (7 days flowering):


The Hog C (1 day flowering):


Green Crack (1 day flowering):


Next 2 in line for the flowering room
Bagseed A (left) Kryptonite A (right)


5 headed Poison clones:


Clone Dome; 3 The Hog (left) 4 Green Crack (right):


For 420Marine (Semper Fi):

WOW t0rn.... your farm is so full and beautiful.... looks great , and I know how much work that is... awesome update man- and i like for pic for 420 too... right on!

Semper Fi devil dog..oh and as it relates to Mcphoto time..I"m lovin it LOL

Haha, smoked a bowl before trying to sort all of the pictures into a non jumbled mess on the forum and McPhoto came to mind. I think I gots the munchies.

t0rn man, you know what you are doing!

That Panchota is seriously BEAUTIFUL! Take good care of her, and before harvest time get artsy with those photos.
Great work. I'm going to review your process to see what is working so well for you. Clearly you have the right nutrients and the right schedule.

Thanks for the compliment man, that 5 ft black monster is shooting out of a 2 gallon pot. I need to get a good full body shot on her, it's funny looking, like a tree coming out of a thimble.

Just noticed my finger is in half of the pics, that's artsy for ya

hey thanks for the rep bro..I"d give it back but apparenly I haven't spread enough around....tragic I know

Okay, so I just spent the first half of my afternoon tweeking my available nutrients to match your probable ppm levels given the nutrients I assume you've been using.

20ml of CNS 17 Bloom and 2ml of the Hydroplex (great stuff on paper BTW) will take you to about:
N:.........108
P2O4:...162
K2O:.....195
Ca:.......135
Mg:.......30

To match that I'm going to run:
Canna Coco A+B @5ml per gallon
General Hydroponics Liquid KoolBloom @3ml per gallon
Advanced Nutrients Nirvana @2ml per gallon
DynaGro Pro-Tekt @2ml per gallon
Humboldt Nutrients SeaMag @2ml per gallon
Organicare Calplex @9ml per gallon
Canna Rhizotonic @5ml per gallon
Botanicare Liquid Karma @10ml per gallon

This comes in at an approximate:
N:.........108
P2O4:...157
K2O:.....197
Ca:.......134
Mg:.......30

Took me a long time to finalize a solution to use. There were a few other ways of getting nearly the same levels using more Canna Coco and less Calplex, no Liquid Karma, or Rhizotonic.

Crazy that I need to use 9 products to get the same effect as your 2. Makes me die a little inside. The proof is in the pudding though, your stuff looks great at those levels and I can only hope to imitate.

I would like to ask how often you are feeding and if you are incorporating any additional waterings between feedings?

I"d love to know how to calculate like that snow...and I"m not saying your numbers are off or anything at all...all I can do (without a ppm meter at least) is just go by the bottle for the week add that much to a gallon and just kinda go by gut (Not really per say but I have no refrence points so in a way kinda) could use info like this and really tweek out the nutes before/during flower

It's actually not all that difficult.

The labels on the bottle are a percentage. PPM is also a percentage, but on a more accurate scale (parts per million rather than parts per 100).

So, if you do a little math you can figure it all out.

Basically you take the nutrient value on the bottle and multiply it by 10,000 to get parts per million. Then you divide that by the value of the total ml of solution divided by the ml of nutrient used.

So say you had a 1-2-3 nutrient. You add 10ml of this to 3770ml for a total of 3780ml (one gallon) of solution.
N=(1x10,000)/(3780/10)=26.5ppm
P2O4=(2x10,000)/(3780/10)=53ppm
K2O=(3x10,000)/(3780/10)=79ppm

Now, you have to understand how approximate these levels are. What is listed on the bottle is only what they "guarantee" to be in there. There could be more, and the nute companies are not obligated to tell us all their "secrets."

Another thing of note is that P2O4 is only 44% Phosphorus, so to get the actual level of Phosphorus ppms you need to multiply by 0.44 to get the right level.
Potassium is also listed as K2O which is 83% Potassium, so multiply by 0.83 to get the true level of Potassium.

Also, these values are listed in PPM but based on a conversion from an EC meter, so also... not exceptionally accurate. When the ppm is measured with a meter there's also unlisted Sulfur and other micro-elements that will cause the actual ppm readings to be about 15% higher than calculated. EC is going to be a more accurate way of comparing one system to another, but for the sake of estimations and simplicity you can ballpark your levels.

I do my calculations a little easier rather than figuring out the total volume of solution and all that... I mean, a spread sheet set up right could make this easy too...

What I do is take the nutrient value, multiply by the volume used per gallon in ml, then multiply by 2.7. This gives me a slightly higher ppm level than I would get with the earlier formula but that's cool with me based on the inaccuracy of the labeling. In reality my levels and t0rn's levels could deviate by as much as 10% from one another... so it's going to take a little testing and fine tuning to get things dialed in right.

Comparing my final EC with his final EC would be a good comparison. I don't think t0rn has that equipment yet, but I could be (I hope) wrong.

Wow, just wrote a story and hit something wrong.. Time to rewrite, sigh.

Botanicare is pretty cheap, got these Quart bottles for 10 bucks a piece of the CNS 17 line. As 420 said I've just been going by the back of the bottle and you're right about me not having an EC meter, I don't even have a pH meter at the moment D:

To answer your first question I'm having to feed twice a week right now in the 2 gallon pots. I feed full strength nutes at the beginning of the week and half strength nutes plus molasses in the middle. Full strength at the moment for me is 20ml CNS17 Bloom and 2ml Hydroplex. I've been slowly upping the nutes every week until I see a problem. I water with just a dribble for runoff with the full strength nutes and water with plenty of runoff in the middle of the week with the molasses and half strength nutes.

I started flower at about 15ml of bloom and have transitioned slowly up to 20 and the plants aren't showing any ill effect as of yet. I'll be switching to a combination of Bloom and Ripe at 11ml of each during the 4th week and then to just Ripe until the end. I don't think I'll be going any stronger than 25ml and I plan on lowering the nutes at the end before leaching with just water the final week.

Btw, I got a raging bro-ner from all of the numbers, talk nerdy to me!

t0rn, just so you know, your full strength is going to be edit: 630ppm plus the ppm in the water, plus whatever is unlisted on the bottle. You could be running around 1000ppm right now.

Not that I want to screw anything up for you, but I think you've topped out on your nutrients. I mean, you could try to keep increasing your levels but that could get dangerous. Keep your run off heavy with the 1/2 strength feedings and that should keep everything under control. Personally I find 1000ppm to be a bit too strong for most of the plants in my garden and I'm going to be aiming a little lower. Probably 85% of your strength give or take.

Keep an eye on the tips of your leaves. At the first sign of burning you're going to want to start dropping those levels. May not ever happen though, every garden is different. Best of luck though, I hope all those numbers help out the ol' spank bank.

You got me thinking man, maybe I shouldn't raise above 20ml, I'm not noticing any ill effects and as always less is more in this situation.

I will however be raising the Hydroplex throughout flower, at the bare minimum of it right now.

those number are great..first thing tomorrow when I get home I"m going to try and figure mine out..when you say you figure by volume though do you mean the total number of ml of total solution to that of total ml of water. I might have to dabble with a spread sheet of some sort and then have my buddy turn it into some easy calculator...he's not an avid cannabis person however he loves computers and this is right up his alley.