11 Plant Ebb & Flow

SirSmokeAlot419

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Well... you can keep an eye out.. and pull the pots with males before they release any pollen... but you gotta be watching like a hawk...
Once a day should be fine to check for pistols or sacs right and how careful do I need to be of removing them when they begin because like I said they are all getting intertwined.

Do the roots get in to the pipes at all? can you just unscrew one of the bottles as I suggested above? if not I guess you can always just pull the plant... you don't want seeds man... unless you are breeding.. but you need more space for that and it is pretty involved...

Just be careful.. no need for seeds.. unless you want them...

Oh... and make sure you clone now, before you go to flower... things just go a little smoother that way...
No the roots stay outta the pipes I actually took and put in pipe screens in the bottom to keep the roots outta the pipes. I could probably take empty 2 liters and screw them inplace when I take the males out and it will keep water outta there also. I do not need seeds I have hundreds of these seeds so I am also not taking any clones this time maybe like 6 total just to practice.


What media are you using? Straigth hydroton?

I am using straight hydroton and flood for 15 min every hour with great results....
Actually there is a rockwool cube inside of the hydroton that I started the seeds in for about a week before putting them into the setup. As far as changing the timing down to 4 hr I was told that the roots should be dry before rewetting. "Do not apply until they're dry" not sure?


OK.. so you light is not aircooled... right?​

and that is your exhaust, connected to the 6" fan, right? what kind of fan is it? just a duct fan or is it a centrifugal fan?​

What happens when you turn the 12" fan ON ??? is it just too much wind ?​



What's that behind your light.. on the wall...?​
The aircooling for the light is that 31" long fan in the back on the wall behind the light that actually blows the heat from the light into the ducting and above the setup all together. It is just a cheap lowes brand pos haha. doesn't work that well but all I can afford. The only reason I started growing is I cannot afford to pay for the shit lol.


When I turn on the 12" fan it wants to blow the plant tops over into each other but I figure that other fan is doing plenty I mean the plants are moving all the time so it should be good.

This plant will yield next to nothing, compared to the other ones...​

Shading such as this is the main reason I have chosen to do lollipops... they do not block any light from each other or themselves...​



Looks like a very clean set-up... Nice Job !!!​

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The plant in the corner had 2 failures in the beginning it is about 2-3 weeks behind the others so anything at all is what I am looking for its like its there may as well grow something lol

Thanks very much you can let me know anything that you see could help me in the long run because I am trying to get the maximum bud as possile. Thanks again.

That goes to everyone!
 

GypsyBush

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Once a day should be fine to check for pistols or sacs right and how careful do I need to be of removing them when they begin because like I said they are all getting intertwined.
You mean the branches are getting tangled up?

That shouldn't be too hard to undo...

No the roots stay outta the pipes I actually took and put in pipe screens in the bottom to keep the roots outta the pipes. I could probably take empty 2 liters and screw them inplace when I take the males out and it will keep water outta there also. I do not need seeds I have hundreds of these seeds so I am also not taking any clones this time maybe like 6 total just to practice.
Cloning will assure you good phenotype females...

What I mean is.. when you fin one plant that grows well and looks healthy and just seems like the perfect plant...

Clone it... then you can have as many clones from that "mother"...

It is a very simple way to assure good genetics and sex...

just my thought though...


Actually there is a rockwool cube inside of the hydroton that I started the seeds in for about a week before putting them into the setup. As far as changing the timing down to 4 hr I was told that the roots should be dry before rewetting. "Do not apply until they're dry" not sure?
OK... now.. are you getting the RW wet ? have you moved them out of the flood zone?

I have a batch with RW and it floods 12x a day... with great results...

I am not telling to flood more or less... I am telling you there are infinite ways to do it right... and the perfect one is the one that works for you...


The aircooling for the light is that 31" long fan in the back on the wall behind the light that actually blows the heat from the light into the ducting and above the setup all together. It is just a cheap lowes brand pos haha. doesn't work that well but all I can afford. The only reason I started growing is I cannot afford to pay for the shit lol.
Proper conditions (proper equip.) will ensure that you end up with buds cheaper than buying...

Budget grows put out some of the most expensive bud on the planet if you figure out gram/watt ratio...

Do not fool yourself... cheap buds can be very expensive in the end...

Save your money.. buy the things you need one at a time and before you know it you will have everything you need....

When I turn on the 12" fan it wants to blow the plant tops over into each other but I figure that other fan is doing plenty I mean the plants are moving all the time so it should be good.
Sounds good....

The plant in the corner had 2 failures in the beginning it is about 2-3 weeks behind the others so anything at all is what I am looking for its like its there may as well grow something lol
Sure, but I would move one of the taller plants to that spot, and put that one somewhere it gets some light... otherwise the crowding will get so bad it will decrease your yield...

Thanks very much you can let me know anything that you see could help me in the long run because I am trying to get the maximum bud as possile. Thanks again.
I think you have a great set up...

You could very well do a perpetual grow...

you have 11 sites right...

well the way I see it, you can harvest 2 plants every 2 weeks with an 8 week strain... or 3 every 3 weeks with a 9 week strain...

and it would leave you a site or two for back up...

You could have something like these growing...



The do not shade or crowd each other... and I am getting 1/2 to 3/4 oz per lollipop...

something to think about...

Another point to consider is a tray and pots for your ebb flow,.. it can be cheapo DIY setup from Wal Mart... but the ability to just move the plants whenever you want is great...

And if you fuck up, next batch is 2 weeks away.. always....

Check the link on my sig.....

That goes to everyone!
Cheers...:clap:
 

GypsyBush

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...to check for pistols or sacs right and how careful do I need to be . ...
Do not yank anything until there is no doubt...

I have seen way too many young females killed due to impatience...

If you can't tell.. don't kill it.... but as soon as it is identified for sure ... no mercy....

But I do not kill "suspects"... no one should...:shock:
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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You mean the branches are getting tangled up?

That shouldn't be too hard to undo...


They are not tangeled up they are just all over each other so I would think it would be that much easier for them to pollinate each other and I do not want that at all.


Cloning will assure you good phenotype females...

What I mean is.. when you fin one plant that grows well and looks healthy and just seems like the perfect plant...

Clone it... then you can have as many clones from that "mother"...

It is a very simple way to assure good genetics and sex...

just my thought though...
I def agree to having a mother plant so they are always female and then there is no worries about a male. So I will take 2 clones from 4 plants to ensure that I have I good mother plant. Kill the clones that turn out male on the original plant when it shows sex. Leave them in a veg of 18/6 while the others are flowering. Can I take 11 clones from 1 mother plant every couple months and not destroy it.

OK... now.. are you getting the RW wet ? have you moved them out of the flood zone?

I have a batch with RW and it floods 12x a day... with great results...

I am not telling to flood more or less... I am telling you there are infinite ways to do it right... and the perfect one is the one that works for you...
No they still get flooded to 50-70% of the rockwool. Do yours touch the water at all? I think I will leave mine at 6 times a day and we will compare lol.

Sure, but I would move one of the taller plants to that spot, and put that one somewhere it gets some light... otherwise the crowding will get so bad it will decrease your yield...
Moving that one will be alot more of a hassel than it seems. I know there isn't alot of light there but I would rather not than to kill two of em.

I think you have a great set up...

You could very well do a perpetual grow...

you have 11 sites right...

well the way I see it, you can harvest 2 plants every 2 weeks with an 8 week strain... or 3 every 3 weeks with a 9 week strain...

and it would leave you a site or two for back up...

You could have something like these growing...



The do not shade or crowd each other... and I am getting 1/2 to 3/4 oz per lollipop...

something to think about...
That would be nice to have a constant supply like that growing. Not sure how I would be able to achieve something like this yet but will go to your site and give it a try for sure.

Another point to consider is a tray and pots for your ebb flow,.. it can be cheapo DIY setup from Wal Mart... but the ability to just move the plants whenever you want is great...

And if you fuck up, next batch is 2 weeks away.. always....
This will probably be the only grow that I use this setup for It has many flaws and the try system seems a lot better from my stand point.
 

GypsyBush

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They are not tangeled up they are just all over each other so I would think it would be that much easier for them to pollinate each other and I do not want that at all.
I see.. Yikes! be careful and watch them like a hawk...


I def agree to having a mother plant so they are always female and then there is no worries about a male. So I will take 2 clones from 4 plants to ensure that I have I good mother plant. Kill the clones that turn out male on the original plant when it shows sex. Leave them in a veg of 18/6 while the others are flowering. Can I take 11 clones from 1 mother plant every couple months and not destroy it.
You can deff. take 11 clones from a mother and keep it alive...

I have seen plants that were YEARS old...

So yeah.. take some clones... root them.. flower them...

Kill the males and the originating fathers and now you have the harem all to your self...

But I would not fill your set up all at once... do a perpetual...



No they still get flooded to 50-70% of the rockwool. Do yours touch the water at all? I think I will leave mine at 6 times a day and we will compare lol.
My RW has been BONE DRY from the day they were transplanted in to the pots... I water the roots... not the RW...

If you flood the RW cubes 6x a day you will have trouble... stem rot, root rot... all kinds of nasties... KEEP THE RW from EVER getting wet..

even when using it for cloning it should NEVER BE WET,..

Damp is what you are looking for.. damp means if you shake it, no water comes out...

Moving that one will be alot more of a hassel than it seems. I know there isn't alot of light there but I would rather not than to kill two of em.
I see, you don't want to risk damage... I can understand that...

That would be nice to have a constant supply like that growing. Not sure how I would be able to achieve something like this yet but will go to your site and give it a try for sure.
Look at my avatar....

Moms > clones > flower > buds

Split your flower area in 4 ( you have 3 turns with 3 plants and one with just 2)

as for the lollipops... trim the lower third of the clones and anything that grows more than 1"...

repeat at week 3...

No Branches AT ALL...

Just the single cola SOG style...

and that is not my thread.. not mine at all..

That is just my bible...

Al B. Fuct Rocks!!!! and the info is tooo good not to spread around...

This will probably be the only grow that I use this setup for It has many flaws and the try system seems a lot better from my stand point.
You probably have 90% of the materials at home right now...

From the GrowFAQ

How do I make an ebb & flow
hydroponic system?






The goal: To demonstrate the construction of an Ebb & Flow hydroponic system.

The system being constructed is small, however the design is the same as larger systems.





Parts list...

  • Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 4 1/2", flood tray.
  • Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 7", reservoir.
  • Reservoir lid, 15 3/4" x 22".
  • Overflow fitting.
  • Fill/drain fitting.
  • Water pump, 70 gph.
  • Tubing, 1/2" ID.
  • Aquarium air pump.
  • Air stones.
  • Green air line.

    Notice, in the pictures above, the one inch holes, in the flood tray for the overflow, and fill/drain fittings, also, the two inch holes in the lid, for the fittings to pass through.


    A view of the plumbed flood tray with lid. See how it fits over the fittings.​


    This is a view of the reservoir with lid, and plumbed flood tray.


    Here, it's all assembled. The water and air pumps are not shown. The power cord, and air lines fit between, the reservoir and lid. A small notch may need to be added, to avoid pinching the air lines, and to help the flood tray sit level.


    Assembled with six 5 1/2" square pots. Notice the easy access to both fittings. The fill/drain fitting has a connector for a 1/2" hose, under the screen. Remove the screen, connect the hose, turn the pump on, and pump out the nutrient solution. Makes reservoir change outs very easy.


    Another view of the system.


    Note: Choosing a container...

    Not all containers are made equal. Some are very sturdy, while others are not. Using a weak container will only lead to failure and a flood. Choose heavy duty containers. Also, some containers will need a center support to keep them level under the weight of the nutrient solution.

    Note: About sizes...

    The reservoir should be large enough, to hold two, to three times the volume of the flood tray or table. The pump should be sized to flood the tray in 5 min. or less.
 

GypsyBush

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You want a container that allows at least 8 pots though.. 2 every 2 weeks or 1 a week
12 is good 3 every 2 weeks...

I think you should shoot for 25 to 30 every 2 weeks... :o:weed::clap:
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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Date: 2/28/09
Light: 400w HPS @ 2" Above top of plants
Light Time: 12/12
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 6ml/gal, FloraMicro 6ml/gal, FloraBloom 10ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 75
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust and a 31"for light/circulation.


Officially into flower now by 4 days and no signs of males yet but I'm watchin every day. Hopefully there are only 4 and they are the 4 smallest haha. I've only got a couple pictures to put on and now I don't have a camera at all except my phone. They have all shot up real fast and are sitting about 24" Tall. Next time I'm starting the flower on Day 25 or so.
 

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SirSmokeAlot419

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Well 8 days into flower now and I found my four biggest plants were males so I hacked them down. I think I was in denial for a few days hopin that they would sprout pistols but they just grew more sacs so I got rid of em before they pollinated hopefully.

Out of 11 plants
4 males
2 females
5 unknown still but should be able to tell in a couple days or so.

I'll post pics later hopefully and also the screens didn't do a thing. Them roots just pushed their way right through that screen and into the pipes but hopefully wont hurt it because after this grow I'm scrapping this whole design.
 

GypsyBush

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I am glad you are seeing the males and removing them...

As for the screen not holding the roots.... I am not surprised... not much holds roots, unless it is a solid barrier...

The roots will be fine... they might make a mess of things and crate trouble during clean up, but that's about it...

Keep us posted...:clap:
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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Yea There won't be any clean up because I'm throwing the whole thing away because I am sick of it haha. Yea it sucks tho the males were the biggest damn plants but the two girls in the back are the next biggest so I'm am looking forward to those. Every other one looks sad and like they may not make it but we'll see.
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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Well its official I have chopped down 5 males and there is 5 females showing plenty of pistols. The little girl in the back has yet to show but I kinda want it to be a female just to see how much will come outta a small plant. The others are 36" already god damn hope they don't get to much taller but there is plenty of room if they decide to. They are all showing plenty more pistols every day can't wait till its over. And it is official that the clones I took were all males just my luck. I don't really care just tried to clone just to find out what would work and what wouldn't for next time.
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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Date: 3/09/09
Light: 400w HPS @ 8" Above top of plants
Light Time: 12/12
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 3ml/gal, FloraMicro 7ml/gal, FloraBloom 12ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 75
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust and a 31"for light/circulation.

Ok it is official that little one went male today but who gives a shit it was only like 5 nodes tall. The other plants have reached 38" and they are all flowering nicely with an amazing number of top buds. I dont know what happened but all the bottom nodes have reached the height of the tops and are flowering the exact same. I'm pretty sure that's how it is supposed to be. I did let them get way to close to the light I woke up one morning that it was touching the bulb my fault.


I have noticed 3 of them have yellowed and have burned the leaves probably smoke harsh the rest are fine tho first time for everything. I can't wait to jar this and grow again you guys are probably sick of hearing that by now. Well here are a lot of pics tried different settings these are the best I can do. There are a couple of the same plant only like 2 but you can't really see all the pistols in the pictures.


Well here are the remanning 5 females. The two in the back are going to be the winners but I won't be surprised if I get a good amount out of the others especially now after the small one is gone.
Let me know what ya think.
 

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SirSmokeAlot419

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3/15/09

So I supercroped two of the tops including the one that got burned but now its a distance away from the light so hopefully it will keep it from getting burned any more.

I don't have any pictures to post right now but will do soon enough here within the next day or so.
 

SirSmokeAlot419

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Date: 3/09/09
Light: 400w HPS @ 9" Above top of plants
Light Time: 12/12
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 3ml/gal, FloraMicro 8ml/gal, FloraBloom 14ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 79
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust and a 31"for light/circulation.

Well Ive got plenty of pictures this time but I think they are way to high res. for this site but I will try and post as many as it will allow me. Finally got a better camera but still not as good as I wanted. I'm done typin I will let all the pics speak for themselves.
 

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SirSmokeAlot419

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Date: 3/29/09
Light: 400w HPS @ 9" Above top of plants

Light Time: 12/12
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 3ml/gal, FloraMicro 8ml/gal, FloraBloom 16ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 85
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust and a 31"for light/circulation.

Well 33 days into flower now and the girls are looking great and seed free. There is one plant that looks like it may have a disease or something weird all the pistols are curled and compressed and not really growing. Not sure whats going on with that one but all the others look great so I'm not sure if its a different strain. Let me know if any of you know you will see what im talking about its picture number 52. Well here are the plenty of new pictures and the buds are really stacking up now. Well the pictures won't load so Ill have to try again in a couple hours
 
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